Comments on: Welcome to Daylight Atheism http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:38:28 +0000 By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35800 Ebonmuse Tue, 20 May 2008 01:31:36 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35800 Allan, neither this site nor this thread are the place for preaching. Please observe the <a href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/comment-policy-2" rel="nofollow">comment policy</a>. Allan, neither this site nor this thread are the place for preaching. Please observe the comment policy.

]]> By: OMGF http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35793 OMGF Mon, 19 May 2008 20:44:26 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35793 What is it that you don't agree with Allan? That you have a burden of proof to demonstrate your assetions are valid, or that merely not accepting your assertions somehow means that I am putting forth a positive assertion of my own? What part of, "You haven't proven your assertion" makes a positive assertion on my part? Further, there are no evidences of god that don't involve begging the question. If you assume god beforehand, it's trivial to post hoc rationalize some reason that the evidence at hand somehow supports your assumptions, but this is logically fallacious. Design and conscience are both bad arguments as evolution and science show that we have no need for god to explain those things. In other words, the gaps that god was hiding in have been filled. As to your comment on May 12 about the key question for any atheist, you've drawn a false dichotomy, where there is only atheism or Xianity. The truth is, however, that there are many options available - as Ebon was getting at. And, if you want to talk about evidence for Jesus's resurrection, you might want to first provide evidence that Jesus existed. Then, explain to me how the Bible qualifies as evidence of anything, since that is the only "evidence" that you have of the resurrection. Lastly, I too would like to hear the answers to goyo's questions. What is it that you don't agree with Allan? That you have a burden of proof to demonstrate your assetions are valid, or that merely not accepting your assertions somehow means that I am putting forth a positive assertion of my own? What part of, "You haven't proven your assertion" makes a positive assertion on my part?

Further, there are no evidences of god that don't involve begging the question. If you assume god beforehand, it's trivial to post hoc rationalize some reason that the evidence at hand somehow supports your assumptions, but this is logically fallacious. Design and conscience are both bad arguments as evolution and science show that we have no need for god to explain those things. In other words, the gaps that god was hiding in have been filled.

As to your comment on May 12 about the key question for any atheist, you've drawn a false dichotomy, where there is only atheism or Xianity. The truth is, however, that there are many options available - as Ebon was getting at. And, if you want to talk about evidence for Jesus's resurrection, you might want to first provide evidence that Jesus existed. Then, explain to me how the Bible qualifies as evidence of anything, since that is the only "evidence" that you have of the resurrection.

Lastly, I too would like to hear the answers to goyo's questions.

]]> By: goyo http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35791 goyo Mon, 19 May 2008 20:27:06 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35791 <blockquote>Since putting my faith in Him, and taking Him at His word, I have found Him real, faithful and worthy of my trust.</blockquote> Please tell me how you have found him real? I have plenty of friends who I can talk to, they talk back; if I need their help they help me, etc... How does a god help you? You don't hear their voice...if you are in an emergency they won't help...if you get cancer, or some other illness, you will die... Just how real is he?

Since putting my faith in Him, and taking Him at His word, I have found Him real, faithful and worthy of my trust.

Please tell me how you have found him real? I have plenty of friends who I can talk to, they talk back; if I need their help they help me, etc...
How does a god help you? You don't hear their voice...if you are in an emergency they won't help...if you get cancer, or some other illness, you will die...
Just how real is he?

]]> By: Allan http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35790 Allan Mon, 19 May 2008 20:15:23 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35790 I don't agree, but I'll give way. There are various evidences of God which no doubt you know well, being a contributer to a site such as this - design, conscience, etc. What convinces me is Jesus Christ, hence my comment earlier (May 12th). I find the evidence for His resurrection compelling, (unlike the evidence for the existence and deity of Hercules, quote Ebonmuse), convincing enough to put my faith in Him. If He didn't rise from the dead, then the whole of Christianity is nonsense. If He did, then His claims are validated and I'm going to stick with Him (I am going to die one day, and He is the only one who claims to meet my need and proved he was up to it.) Since putting my faith in Him, and taking Him at His word, I have found Him real, faithful and worthy of my trust. I don't agree, but I'll give way. There are various evidences of God which no doubt you know well, being a contributer to a site such as this - design, conscience, etc. What convinces me is Jesus Christ, hence my comment earlier (May 12th). I find the evidence for His resurrection compelling, (unlike the evidence for the existence and deity of Hercules, quote Ebonmuse), convincing enough to put my faith in Him. If He didn't rise from the dead, then the whole of Christianity is nonsense. If He did, then His claims are validated and I'm going to stick with Him (I am going to die one day, and He is the only one who claims to meet my need and proved he was up to it.) Since putting my faith in Him, and taking Him at His word, I have found Him real, faithful and worthy of my trust.

]]> By: OMGF http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35608 OMGF Thu, 15 May 2008 14:10:09 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35608 No Allan. I believe that theists have no met their burden of proof. It is not up to me to disprove your god, it is up to you to prove that your god is there, since it is you that is making the positive assertion. Since that burden of proof has not been met, there is no need for me to accept your assertion and believe that there is a god. No Allan. I believe that theists have no met their burden of proof. It is not up to me to disprove your god, it is up to you to prove that your god is there, since it is you that is making the positive assertion. Since that burden of proof has not been met, there is no need for me to accept your assertion and believe that there is a god.

]]> By: Allan http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35605 Allan Thu, 15 May 2008 13:13:27 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35605 I'm not fully with you here. Surely you believe that there is not a god? And so I can ask you to prove your assertion? I'm not fully with you here. Surely you believe that there is not a god? And so I can ask you to prove your assertion?

]]> By: OMGF http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35533 OMGF Mon, 12 May 2008 23:15:34 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35533 <blockquote>The point was, no hair style IS a hairstyle.</blockquote> Bald is not the same as having no hairstyle. You made a choice to cut your hair a certain way, thus you believe that you had a style. Atheism is not the same. You assert that god exists, I ask you to prove it before I accept your assertion. How is this a positive belief? It, quite frankly, is not. Non-acceptance of your position is not the same as saying that I believe in something else.

The point was, no hair style IS a hairstyle.

Bald is not the same as having no hairstyle. You made a choice to cut your hair a certain way, thus you believe that you had a style. Atheism is not the same.

You assert that god exists, I ask you to prove it before I accept your assertion. How is this a positive belief? It, quite frankly, is not. Non-acceptance of your position is not the same as saying that I believe in something else.

]]> By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35532 Ebonmuse Mon, 12 May 2008 21:24:30 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35532 Hi Allan, <blockquote>THe key question for any atheist is 'Did Jesus Christ rise from the dead.'</blockquote> No, it's not. The whole world does not revolve around Christianity. To an atheist, the question "Did Jesus rise from the dead?" is no more important than than "Did Allah reveal the Qur'an to Mohammed?", "Was Hercules the son of Zeus?", or "Can L. Ron Hubbard's auditing techniques rid us of harmful body thetans?" We treat all religions alike, and disbelieve in them all equally. Hi Allan,

THe key question for any atheist is 'Did Jesus Christ rise from the dead.'

No, it's not. The whole world does not revolve around Christianity. To an atheist, the question "Did Jesus rise from the dead?" is no more important than than "Did Allah reveal the Qur'an to Mohammed?", "Was Hercules the son of Zeus?", or "Can L. Ron Hubbard's auditing techniques rid us of harmful body thetans?" We treat all religions alike, and disbelieve in them all equally.

]]> By: Allan http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35517 Allan Mon, 12 May 2008 12:43:26 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-35517 Hi - Fascinating site. I am a Christian, and I agree that many Christians do not treat the atheist position with proper respect. He is a thought to drop in to discussion. When I was a teenager, I had total unmanageable hair - I could not find a hairstyle that worked. Eventually, I thought, 'Stuff this' (UK expression) 'I won't have a hairstyle, and I shaved all my hair off. My mum said, 'Why have you had a crew cut?' I said, 'NO, this is no hairstyle!' My friends said, 'So now you're a skin head?' I said, 'NO - NO HAIRSTYLE.' The point was, no hair style IS a hairstyle. The point is, no faith IS a faith. Richard DAwkins said in his interview with the NY Times following the publishing of The God Delusion, 'I think it very improbable that God exists, and so I live my life on the assumption that He is not there.' His position is a faith position, like that of any atheist. THe key question for any atheist is 'Did Jesus Christ rise from the dead.' Hi - Fascinating site. I am a Christian, and I agree that many Christians do not treat the atheist position with proper respect.
He is a thought to drop in to discussion. When I was a teenager, I had total unmanageable hair - I could not find a hairstyle that worked. Eventually, I thought, 'Stuff this' (UK expression) 'I won't have a hairstyle, and I shaved all my hair off. My mum said, 'Why have you had a crew cut?' I said, 'NO, this is no hairstyle!' My friends said, 'So now you're a skin head?' I said, 'NO - NO HAIRSTYLE.' The point was, no hair style IS a hairstyle. The point is, no faith IS a faith. Richard DAwkins said in his interview with the NY Times following the publishing of The God Delusion, 'I think it very improbable that God exists, and so I live my life on the assumption that He is not there.' His position is a faith position, like that of any atheist.
THe key question for any atheist is 'Did Jesus Christ rise from the dead.'

]]> By: Mike http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-32360 Mike Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:41:12 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/02/welcome-to-daylight-atheism.html#comment-32360 Love your site and your articulately delivered ethical and philosophical positions. The intellectual flailing about of far too many religious leaders struggling to justify their beliefs would be mildly amusing did it not carry so much risk if left unchallenged. I've enjoyed more than a few laughs observing the far right Christian front men vehemently deny the theories presented in The Origin of Species while at the same moment enthusiastically embrace the most aggressive "survival of the fittest" economic policies and proposals. Please continue this important work! Love your site and your articulately delivered ethical and philosophical positions.
The intellectual flailing about of far too many religious leaders struggling to justify their beliefs would be mildly amusing did it not carry so much risk if left unchallenged.
I've enjoyed more than a few laughs observing the far right Christian front men vehemently deny the theories presented in The Origin of Species while at the same moment enthusiastically embrace the most aggressive "survival of the fittest" economic policies and proposals.
Please continue this important work!

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