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	<title>Comments on: Loose Marbles II</title>
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		<title>By: moflicky</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-ii.html#comment-2573</link>
		<dc:creator>moflicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>more to the point on the empire state building crash:

1.  the plane in question was small, lost in the fog and was not flying very fast.

2.  the empire state building was a box steel frame with congrete reinforcement.  the fire was short lived and the structural integrety of the building was never an issue. Only 2-3 floors were effected, and the hole it made was only 12 feet wide and 20 feet tall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more to the point on the empire state building crash:</p>
<p>1.  the plane in question was small, lost in the fog and was not flying very fast.</p>
<p>2.  the empire state building was a box steel frame with congrete reinforcement.  the fire was short lived and the structural integrety of the building was never an issue. Only 2-3 floors were effected, and the hole it made was only 12 feet wide and 20 feet tall.</p>
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		<title>By: Azkyroth</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-ii.html#comment-2510</link>
		<dc:creator>Azkyroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does; piston-driven aircraft use a variation of gasoline, while jets use kerosene fuel.  And the jet would have a lot more of the fuel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does; piston-driven aircraft use a variation of gasoline, while jets use kerosene fuel.  And the jet would have a lot more of the fuel.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean M.</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-ii.html#comment-2506</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another important distinction between the B-25 and the B-52 is that the &lt;a HREF="http://www.warbirdalley.com/b25.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;B-25 had piston-driven engines&lt;/a&gt;, not jet engines.  I'm no expert on the subject, but I'm sure the fuel used by such engines differs significantly from jet fuel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another important distinction between the B-25 and the B-52 is that the <a HREF="http://www.warbirdalley.com/b25.htm" rel="nofollow">B-25 had piston-driven engines</a>, not jet engines.  I'm no expert on the subject, but I'm sure the fuel used by such engines differs significantly from jet fuel.</p>
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		<title>By: Thursday</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-ii.html#comment-2405</link>
		<dc:creator>Thursday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 03:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Operation Northwoods:

Does Operation Red (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/29/AR2005122901412_pf.html) offer an "historical presedence" (sic) for the coming invasion of Canada, too?  There are plans for the discovery of sasquatch, for crying out loud: it doesn't mean they are going to be executed or are even feasible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Operation Northwoods:</p>
<p>Does Operation Red (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/29/AR2005122901412_pf.html) offer an "historical presedence" (sic) for the coming invasion of Canada, too?  There are plans for the discovery of sasquatch, for crying out loud: it doesn't mean they are going to be executed or are even feasible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-ii.html#comment-1865</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 18:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You have been asking why the government would purposly do something like 9/11...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, I haven't asked that yet. I don't address speculations about why 9/11 might have been staged until the third part of this series.

&lt;blockquote&gt;yet you never address the Northwoods Papers presented at the beginning of the film.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm aware of Operation Northwoods, but I didn't discuss it because it has little relevance to the immediate subject at hand. The question is not whether there is historical precedent for the government staging a terrorist attack on its own people; the question is whether there is evidence to suggest that this is what actually happened on September 11. I don't believe there is. (I would also point out that that plan, outrageous as it was, nevertheless involved &lt;i&gt;evacuating&lt;/i&gt; the passengers from a dummy aircraft before destroying it - a far cry indeed from deliberately crashing a piloted commercial airliner filled with passengers into a heavily populated national landmark.)

As always, I extend the same invitation to all comers: if you think there are any errors or omissions in my posts that bear on my conclusions, by all means, point them out and we can discuss them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You have been asking why the government would purposly do something like 9/11...</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I haven't asked that yet. I don't address speculations about why 9/11 might have been staged until the third part of this series.</p>
<blockquote><p>yet you never address the Northwoods Papers presented at the beginning of the film.</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm aware of Operation Northwoods, but I didn't discuss it because it has little relevance to the immediate subject at hand. The question is not whether there is historical precedent for the government staging a terrorist attack on its own people; the question is whether there is evidence to suggest that this is what actually happened on September 11. I don't believe there is. (I would also point out that that plan, outrageous as it was, nevertheless involved <i>evacuating</i> the passengers from a dummy aircraft before destroying it - a far cry indeed from deliberately crashing a piloted commercial airliner filled with passengers into a heavily populated national landmark.)</p>
<p>As always, I extend the same invitation to all comers: if you think there are any errors or omissions in my posts that bear on my conclusions, by all means, point them out and we can discuss them.</p>
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		<title>By: Montu</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-ii.html#comment-1864</link>
		<dc:creator>Montu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 18:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you picked on of the worst conspiricy videos out there to debunk.  I have my own questions surronding 9/11 that haven't been answered by either the offical story or any conspiricay theories, but seriously, this film is pure rubbish.  You have been asking why the government would purposly do something like 9/11, yet you never address the Northwoods Papers presented at the beginning of the film.  Incase you don't have a link, look here: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/docs.htm third link down.  This is highly relevent, I think, because it does offer a historical presedence for this sort of action, as well as showing what this sort of action could accomplish in the long run.  I'm fully aware that this operation was never carried out, however if they could seriously purpose it then, why couldn't they purpose something similar now?  Listen, I have no answers, but I have many, MANY questions, and things like Operation Northwoods, the Department of Homeland Security, and the USA PATRIOT Act simply raise more questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you picked on of the worst conspiricy videos out there to debunk.  I have my own questions surronding 9/11 that haven't been answered by either the offical story or any conspiricay theories, but seriously, this film is pure rubbish.  You have been asking why the government would purposly do something like 9/11, yet you never address the Northwoods Papers presented at the beginning of the film.  Incase you don't have a link, look here: <a href="http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/docs.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/docs.htm</a> third link down.  This is highly relevent, I think, because it does offer a historical presedence for this sort of action, as well as showing what this sort of action could accomplish in the long run.  I'm fully aware that this operation was never carried out, however if they could seriously purpose it then, why couldn't they purpose something similar now?  Listen, I have no answers, but I have many, MANY questions, and things like Operation Northwoods, the Department of Homeland Security, and the USA PATRIOT Act simply raise more questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-ii.html#comment-1863</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 16:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Patriot,

As you can see for yourself, I explain exactly where most of my information comes from, via the "(source)" links after most statements. &lt;i&gt;LC&lt;/i&gt;, on the other hand, often does not explain this. For example, as I'll get to in Part III, their claim about the $167 billion in gold, which they believe to be the primary purpose for the entire 9/11 conspiracy, is sourced by referring to nothing more than anonymous "rumors".

If you dispute any specific claims I make, feel free to point out which ones and explain why you disagree with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Patriot,</p>
<p>As you can see for yourself, I explain exactly where most of my information comes from, via the "(source)" links after most statements. <i>LC</i>, on the other hand, often does not explain this. For example, as I'll get to in Part III, their claim about the $167 billion in gold, which they believe to be the primary purpose for the entire 9/11 conspiracy, is sourced by referring to nothing more than anonymous "rumors".</p>
<p>If you dispute any specific claims I make, feel free to point out which ones and explain why you disagree with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Patriot</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-ii.html#comment-1862</link>
		<dc:creator>Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 14:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just watched LC last night and was absolutely stunned at what I was watching.  I followed the film with doing my own research online and hearing what debunking sites offered.  I found that some information from the debunking sites stated the obvious mistakes of the film and misleading quotations.  However, the majority of the film had cited sources, which many of these debunking sites lack.  Factual or professional citations should only be used, instead of mixing personal interpretations and opinions.

If you do have professional documentation supporting your debunking theories I would like to read it, to help me resolve conflictions.  Please state their name, company, and position held.

Just my 2 cents :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched LC last night and was absolutely stunned at what I was watching.  I followed the film with doing my own research online and hearing what debunking sites offered.  I found that some information from the debunking sites stated the obvious mistakes of the film and misleading quotations.  However, the majority of the film had cited sources, which many of these debunking sites lack.  Factual or professional citations should only be used, instead of mixing personal interpretations and opinions.</p>
<p>If you do have professional documentation supporting your debunking theories I would like to read it, to help me resolve conflictions.  Please state their name, company, and position held.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents :)</p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-ii.html#comment-1856</link>
		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 02:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The film discusses a 1945 incident in which a lost B-52 bomber crashed into the Empire State Building, causing extensive damage and fire but no collapse."

I can't believe that even made it past the editors. In 1945 the B-52 didn't even exist.   It entered service in 1954. Hmm... two numerical inversions? Must be another conspiracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The film discusses a 1945 incident in which a lost B-52 bomber crashed into the Empire State Building, causing extensive damage and fire but no collapse."</p>
<p>I can't believe that even made it past the editors. In 1945 the B-52 didn't even exist.   It entered service in 1954. Hmm... two numerical inversions? Must be another conspiracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-ii.html#comment-1855</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 00:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great site.  Great debunking.  Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great site.  Great debunking.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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