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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-iii.html#comment-3051</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have just gone over these articles. upon reading them, and related sources, I have had my fiath in the human race depleated by the fact that so many people can believe this CT nonsence. Most beleivers in conspiracy theories can be atributed to ignorance or serious paranoia, but the fact that so many people can believe junk that can be disproven by using basic physics and minor amounts of research astounds me.

(I shudder to think what i will find if i look into JFK assination theories)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have just gone over these articles. upon reading them, and related sources, I have had my fiath in the human race depleated by the fact that so many people can believe this CT nonsence. Most beleivers in conspiracy theories can be atributed to ignorance or serious paranoia, but the fact that so many people can believe junk that can be disproven by using basic physics and minor amounts of research astounds me.</p>
<p>(I shudder to think what i will find if i look into JFK assination theories)</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-iii.html#comment-2656</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 03:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello David,

Thank you very much for your kind comments. Should a publisher or literary agent be interested, I&#039;d be happy to write a book, although I must admit I have no particular qualifications on the subject (not that that&#039;s ever stopped conspiracy theorists, of course). Most of my writing on this topic is an attempt to synthesize various points made by others more knowledgeable than I, particularly the structural engineers who have explained in detail how the Twin Towers fell and the sequence of events at the Pentagon. I also have to praise the 9/11 Myths website, whose author I don&#039;t know, for putting together the most thorough refutation of 9/11 conspiracy theories I&#039;ve come across anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello David,</p>
<p>Thank you very much for your kind comments. Should a publisher or literary agent be interested, I'd be happy to write a book, although I must admit I have no particular qualifications on the subject (not that that's ever stopped conspiracy theorists, of course). Most of my writing on this topic is an attempt to synthesize various points made by others more knowledgeable than I, particularly the structural engineers who have explained in detail how the Twin Towers fell and the sequence of events at the Pentagon. I also have to praise the 9/11 Myths website, whose author I don't know, for putting together the most thorough refutation of 9/11 conspiracy theories I've come across anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ecklein</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-iii.html#comment-2648</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ecklein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ebonmuse, I second &quot;Bic&quot; - you have done an excellent job here.  Have you considered writing a book (somebody should)?  If so, you will undoubtedly also look into the theories of David Griffin (a postmodern California theologian) and Steven Jones (a &quot;cold fusion&quot; Utah physicist).  I run into people who are impressed by their many books, articles, and public appearances; the Griffin/Jones theories parallel &quot;Loose Change&quot; to a large extent.

Meanwhile, I will henceforth provide the link to your site whenever disputing with those under the spell of these theories.  Thanks so much for taking on this effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ebonmuse, I second "Bic" - you have done an excellent job here.  Have you considered writing a book (somebody should)?  If so, you will undoubtedly also look into the theories of David Griffin (a postmodern California theologian) and Steven Jones (a "cold fusion" Utah physicist).  I run into people who are impressed by their many books, articles, and public appearances; the Griffin/Jones theories parallel "Loose Change" to a large extent.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I will henceforth provide the link to your site whenever disputing with those under the spell of these theories.  Thanks so much for taking on this effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Bic</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-iii.html#comment-2534</link>
		<dc:creator>Bic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cobra, some very good points.  

I would also put forward that it is probably easier to intercept a single private jet on a relatively uneventful day over the Southern States than to intercept, in the best case scenario, 3 passenger aircraft (assuming interceptions only begin after the initial plane hit the WTC) out of the several hundreds/thousands of aircraft that routinely fly over the North Eastern seaboard on a given day.  That&#039;s assuming they could even pinpoint the actual planes in distress from all the dozens (if not more) of potential hijackings from planes that either had minor radio problems or made suspicious (but on a regular day routine) course corrections to take advantage of favourable tailwinds/avoid weather systems/etc.

And Ebonmuse, I have to congratulate you on what is by far the most clear, concise and detailed debunking of 9/11 conspiarcy theories I have seen thus far.  Great work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cobra, some very good points.  </p>
<p>I would also put forward that it is probably easier to intercept a single private jet on a relatively uneventful day over the Southern States than to intercept, in the best case scenario, 3 passenger aircraft (assuming interceptions only begin after the initial plane hit the WTC) out of the several hundreds/thousands of aircraft that routinely fly over the North Eastern seaboard on a given day.  That's assuming they could even pinpoint the actual planes in distress from all the dozens (if not more) of potential hijackings from planes that either had minor radio problems or made suspicious (but on a regular day routine) course corrections to take advantage of favourable tailwinds/avoid weather systems/etc.</p>
<p>And Ebonmuse, I have to congratulate you on what is by far the most clear, concise and detailed debunking of 9/11 conspiarcy theories I have seen thus far.  Great work.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobra</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-iii.html#comment-2461</link>
		<dc:creator>Cobra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 16:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ender,
It was not incompetence at all.  You have to understand a few facts:
1)We actually had/have very few interceptor aircraft on alert.
2)Those aircraft on alert were cocked (and control set up to) to intercept threats from OUTSIDE the US.
3)There was no direct link to the interceptors from ATC.  
4)There was a hell of a lot of confusion that morning.
5)Who KNEW before they hit that the hijackings were to be used to hit the buildings.  In the past, hijackings were used to go to places and/or ransome money or compatriots out of jail.
6)The F-15s from Otis BROKE THEIR ORDERS and went supersonic in a vain attempt to intercept flight 77.
7)The closest fighters to Washington (F-16s at Andrews) were partially deployed and did not sit alert in any case.
8)Often aircraft already airborne are diverted to intercept aircraft (Probably ocured 4-5 times in my limited flying in the USAF) - this is what occired on the initial intercept of Paine Stewarts aircraft: &quot;&#039;FAA requested emergency escort.&#039;&#039; F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., was airborne on routine mission when diverted to provide the initial escort.&quot;  As a side note - F-16s from Eglin would have been TEST aircraft.  The only operational fighters at Eglin are the 33rd FW F-15s.

In summary, there are very logical explanations for the elay in getting aircraft to intercept the 9/11 aircraft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ender,<br />
It was not incompetence at all.  You have to understand a few facts:<br />
1)We actually had/have very few interceptor aircraft on alert.<br />
2)Those aircraft on alert were cocked (and control set up to) to intercept threats from OUTSIDE the US.<br />
3)There was no direct link to the interceptors from ATC.<br />
4)There was a hell of a lot of confusion that morning.<br />
5)Who KNEW before they hit that the hijackings were to be used to hit the buildings.  In the past, hijackings were used to go to places and/or ransome money or compatriots out of jail.<br />
6)The F-15s from Otis BROKE THEIR ORDERS and went supersonic in a vain attempt to intercept flight 77.<br />
7)The closest fighters to Washington (F-16s at Andrews) were partially deployed and did not sit alert in any case.<br />
8)Often aircraft already airborne are diverted to intercept aircraft (Probably ocured 4-5 times in my limited flying in the USAF) - this is what occired on the initial intercept of Paine Stewarts aircraft: "'FAA requested emergency escort.'' F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., was airborne on routine mission when diverted to provide the initial escort."  As a side note - F-16s from Eglin would have been TEST aircraft.  The only operational fighters at Eglin are the 33rd FW F-15s.</p>
<p>In summary, there are very logical explanations for the elay in getting aircraft to intercept the 9/11 aircraft.</p>
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		<title>By: Stavros</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-iii.html#comment-2195</link>
		<dc:creator>Stavros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 04:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was actually a bit about that in the Flight 93 movie.  Not sure if it&#039;s true, but it appears the fighter wings that were sent out went quite a ways on the standard intercept route they were trained on instead of heading directly for the hijacked aircraft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was actually a bit about that in the Flight 93 movie.  Not sure if it's true, but it appears the fighter wings that were sent out went quite a ways on the standard intercept route they were trained on instead of heading directly for the hijacked aircraft.</p>
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		<title>By: Ender</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-iii.html#comment-2123</link>
		<dc:creator>Ender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 07:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW I got the Payne Stewarts inteception time wrong.  The controller asked for an interception at 9:33EDT.  The fighter intercepted the plane at 9:52CDT which is an hour and 22 minutes.  Sorry I messed up the timezones</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW I got the Payne Stewarts inteception time wrong.  The controller asked for an interception at 9:33EDT.  The fighter intercepted the plane at 9:52CDT which is an hour and 22 minutes.  Sorry I messed up the timezones</p>
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		<title>By: Ender</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-iii.html#comment-2122</link>
		<dc:creator>Ender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 07:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ebonmuse - &quot;I agree, they should have been. That does not mean that a conspiracy theory is needed to explain why they were not. As above, simple incompetence is more than sufficient to explain why the hijacked airliners were not shot down&quot;

Simple incompetence is not sufficient to explain why none of the aircraft were INTERCEPTED.  The procedures are very clear and are designed to operate in confusing situations.  Radio failure happens everyday somewhere in the world as do interceptions.  The people involved did not have to make life and death decisions to order an interception as interception does not imply shooting down the aircraft.  Something that may have got in the way was an order that all interceptions be approved by the Secretary of Defence instead of local commanders.

&quot;CJCSI 3610.01A, dated June 1, 2001, required that all requests for asistance in hijackings be approved by the Secretary of Defense. It had an exception for emergencies that would seem to give commanders in the field autonomy in ordering intercepts.&quot;

The people that got a fighter on the wingtip of Payne Stewart&#039;s plane had similar time and managed to do it.  If you turn off the SSR transponder of an airliner to try to conceal it this has no effect on the primary return if the radar is a primary radar with SSR.  The aircraft would have stood out on the fighters primary, look down shoot down, radar as a blip without a squawk code and be easily seen if they had been in the air.  To conceal the plane properly the SSR transponder should have been left on to merge with the other planes in the corridor.

Even a totally incompetant controller can pass an intercept order.  So where was the incompetance?  Was it the FAA that did not contact NORAD or was it NORAD that did not respond quickly enough.  Nothing in the reports of the 9/11 commission or anything else answer these questions satisfactorily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ebonmuse - "I agree, they should have been. That does not mean that a conspiracy theory is needed to explain why they were not. As above, simple incompetence is more than sufficient to explain why the hijacked airliners were not shot down"</p>
<p>Simple incompetence is not sufficient to explain why none of the aircraft were INTERCEPTED.  The procedures are very clear and are designed to operate in confusing situations.  Radio failure happens everyday somewhere in the world as do interceptions.  The people involved did not have to make life and death decisions to order an interception as interception does not imply shooting down the aircraft.  Something that may have got in the way was an order that all interceptions be approved by the Secretary of Defence instead of local commanders.</p>
<p>"CJCSI 3610.01A, dated June 1, 2001, required that all requests for asistance in hijackings be approved by the Secretary of Defense. It had an exception for emergencies that would seem to give commanders in the field autonomy in ordering intercepts."</p>
<p>The people that got a fighter on the wingtip of Payne Stewart's plane had similar time and managed to do it.  If you turn off the SSR transponder of an airliner to try to conceal it this has no effect on the primary return if the radar is a primary radar with SSR.  The aircraft would have stood out on the fighters primary, look down shoot down, radar as a blip without a squawk code and be easily seen if they had been in the air.  To conceal the plane properly the SSR transponder should have been left on to merge with the other planes in the corridor.</p>
<p>Even a totally incompetant controller can pass an intercept order.  So where was the incompetance?  Was it the FAA that did not contact NORAD or was it NORAD that did not respond quickly enough.  Nothing in the reports of the 9/11 commission or anything else answer these questions satisfactorily.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-iii.html#comment-2118</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 04:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;However, as far as I can see you don&#039;t address the simplest (but perhaps hardest to prove) conspiracy theory - that what we all saw on 9/11 was exactly as it seemed... but that elements within the US government were aware to some degree of what was going to happen and allowed it to go ahead.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s true, I don&#039;t address that. As I said in part I, it wasn&#039;t my purpose to argue against such hypotheses, though I think they&#039;re probably false. As you say, this type of hypothesis is much more difficult to prove or disprove, but I rely on the old adage: &quot;Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.&quot; I&#039;m no fan of the Bush administration (to put it mildly), but even I have difficulty believing they could see such a horrifying attack coming and deliberately look the other way. Although numerous dispersed elements of law enforcement agencies did detect different hints of the attack in advance, there was a systemic failure to connect the dots.

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Again I am not the worst conspiracy theory person my main thing is that the planes should have been intercepted.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree, they should have been. That does not mean that a conspiracy theory is needed to explain why they were not. As above, simple incompetence is more than sufficient to explain why the hijacked airliners were not shot down. Consider the mass chaos and confusion among the air traffic control agencies on that day, an apparent lack of anything like central coordination, and certainly not least, the understandable reluctance of anyone in authority to order a military plane to fire on a commercial aircraft containing civilians. As it&#039;s been said, hindsight is 20/20, and we shouldn&#039;t forget that the decision that we&#039;ve had months to mull over, with all the relevant information available to us, was a decision that people on that day had only a short time to make with a lot less information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>However, as far as I can see you don't address the simplest (but perhaps hardest to prove) conspiracy theory - that what we all saw on 9/11 was exactly as it seemed... but that elements within the US government were aware to some degree of what was going to happen and allowed it to go ahead.</p></blockquote>
<p>That's true, I don't address that. As I said in part I, it wasn't my purpose to argue against such hypotheses, though I think they're probably false. As you say, this type of hypothesis is much more difficult to prove or disprove, but I rely on the old adage: "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity." I'm no fan of the Bush administration (to put it mildly), but even I have difficulty believing they could see such a horrifying attack coming and deliberately look the other way. Although numerous dispersed elements of law enforcement agencies did detect different hints of the attack in advance, there was a systemic failure to connect the dots.</p>
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Again I am not the worst conspiracy theory person my main thing is that the planes should have been intercepted.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree, they should have been. That does not mean that a conspiracy theory is needed to explain why they were not. As above, simple incompetence is more than sufficient to explain why the hijacked airliners were not shot down. Consider the mass chaos and confusion among the air traffic control agencies on that day, an apparent lack of anything like central coordination, and certainly not least, the understandable reluctance of anyone in authority to order a military plane to fire on a commercial aircraft containing civilians. As it's been said, hindsight is 20/20, and we shouldn't forget that the decision that we've had months to mull over, with all the relevant information available to us, was a decision that people on that day had only a short time to make with a lot less information.</p>
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		<title>By: Ender</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-iii.html#comment-2116</link>
		<dc:creator>Ender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 02:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again I am not the worst conspiracy theory person my main thing is that the planes should have been intercepted.  If you read the NTSB (http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAB0001.pdf) accounts of the interception of Payne Stewarts aircraft, less than 20 minutes elapsed between a missed radio call and a fighter on the wing of his aircraft.  The first missed radio call from Flight 11 at 08:13 should have prompted the normal response of an interception to see why the plane was not reponding at about 08:33.  Even increasing the response time to 30 minutes still puts a fighter on the wing of the plane 3 minutes before it hit the Tower at 8:46.  Even if this was too late for Flight 11 the fighters defineatly could have stopped Flight 175 at 09:02.  In truth the response time should have been shorter as Payne Stewart&#039;s plane went off course in a fairly remote area.  Even if the Air Force had failed to intercept Flight 11 the attackers intentions should have been clear at this point.  With fighters in the air over New York at 8:50 all subsequent flights that the FAA knew were in trouble could easily have been intercepted in time and if necessary shot down. 

If the coordination between NORAD and the FAA had worked as it had on countless other occasions there would have been fighters in formation with Flight 11, and the others, 20 or 30 minutes before their respective impacts.  You do not need foreknowledge of the event to prompt a routine response to a missed radio call - something that happens all the time in aviation.  Radios fail for many reasons and there are clear published and promulgated procedures known to airline and military pilots the world over to cope with this eventuality.

Again your government needs to explain why the system broke down so badly on this one occasion something that it also has failed to do.  It also need to release the flight recorder information from all the flights to at least the NTSB.  If the FAA are truly this incompetant how do they manage one of the busiest air corridors in the world the North East of the USA as well as they do?  If your Air Force is this incompetant how did they co-ordinate the enormous logistics of 100 or 200 strike missions per day involving over 2000 aircraft in Desert Storm?

There is something terribly wrong that these airliners were not intercepted to see what was going on.  The terrible decision then could then have been made to shoot down the aircraft well out from their final destinations.  9/11 could have been prevented or minimised just with normal routine aviation procedures being followed - why wasn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again I am not the worst conspiracy theory person my main thing is that the planes should have been intercepted.  If you read the NTSB (<a href="http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAB0001.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAB0001.pdf</a>) accounts of the interception of Payne Stewarts aircraft, less than 20 minutes elapsed between a missed radio call and a fighter on the wing of his aircraft.  The first missed radio call from Flight 11 at 08:13 should have prompted the normal response of an interception to see why the plane was not reponding at about 08:33.  Even increasing the response time to 30 minutes still puts a fighter on the wing of the plane 3 minutes before it hit the Tower at 8:46.  Even if this was too late for Flight 11 the fighters defineatly could have stopped Flight 175 at 09:02.  In truth the response time should have been shorter as Payne Stewart's plane went off course in a fairly remote area.  Even if the Air Force had failed to intercept Flight 11 the attackers intentions should have been clear at this point.  With fighters in the air over New York at 8:50 all subsequent flights that the FAA knew were in trouble could easily have been intercepted in time and if necessary shot down. </p>
<p>If the coordination between NORAD and the FAA had worked as it had on countless other occasions there would have been fighters in formation with Flight 11, and the others, 20 or 30 minutes before their respective impacts.  You do not need foreknowledge of the event to prompt a routine response to a missed radio call - something that happens all the time in aviation.  Radios fail for many reasons and there are clear published and promulgated procedures known to airline and military pilots the world over to cope with this eventuality.</p>
<p>Again your government needs to explain why the system broke down so badly on this one occasion something that it also has failed to do.  It also need to release the flight recorder information from all the flights to at least the NTSB.  If the FAA are truly this incompetant how do they manage one of the busiest air corridors in the world the North East of the USA as well as they do?  If your Air Force is this incompetant how did they co-ordinate the enormous logistics of 100 or 200 strike missions per day involving over 2000 aircraft in Desert Storm?</p>
<p>There is something terribly wrong that these airliners were not intercepted to see what was going on.  The terrible decision then could then have been made to shoot down the aircraft well out from their final destinations.  9/11 could have been prevented or minimised just with normal routine aviation procedures being followed - why wasn't it?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-iii.html#comment-2079</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 16:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your overall approach - that the simplest explanation of the available facts - is an excellent maxim.  The more baroque conspiracy theories seem almost to have been constructed deliberately to undermine all alternatives to the official story.

However, as far as I can see you don&#039;t address the simplest (but perhaps hardest to prove) conspiracy theory - that what we all saw on 9/11 was exactly as it seemed (three passenger planes crashed into buildings causing them to collapse, another brought down through the intervention of its passengers before it reached its target, without any need for missiles or bombs or fighters or mysteriously vanishing passengers) but that elements within the US government were aware to some degree of what was going to happen and allowed it to go ahead.

It&#039;s not nearly as exciting (or unlikely) as the Bush administration actually planning and carrying out the hopelessly complicated operations suggested by the more extravagant conspiracy theories.  It would though be much easier.

The official view is that, although a great deal of information was available, it was either disregarded or not properly understood.  A combination of widespread incompetence and poor communications is blamed.  There&#039;s a spectrum of involvement from complete ignorance via accidentally looking the other way on to wilfully looking the other way and through to complete control.  You&#039;ve obviously examined a lot of the evidence.  On your current view, where on the spectrum would you put the government (or rather, some elements within government)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your overall approach - that the simplest explanation of the available facts - is an excellent maxim.  The more baroque conspiracy theories seem almost to have been constructed deliberately to undermine all alternatives to the official story.</p>
<p>However, as far as I can see you don't address the simplest (but perhaps hardest to prove) conspiracy theory - that what we all saw on 9/11 was exactly as it seemed (three passenger planes crashed into buildings causing them to collapse, another brought down through the intervention of its passengers before it reached its target, without any need for missiles or bombs or fighters or mysteriously vanishing passengers) but that elements within the US government were aware to some degree of what was going to happen and allowed it to go ahead.</p>
<p>It's not nearly as exciting (or unlikely) as the Bush administration actually planning and carrying out the hopelessly complicated operations suggested by the more extravagant conspiracy theories.  It would though be much easier.</p>
<p>The official view is that, although a great deal of information was available, it was either disregarded or not properly understood.  A combination of widespread incompetence and poor communications is blamed.  There's a spectrum of involvement from complete ignorance via accidentally looking the other way on to wilfully looking the other way and through to complete control.  You've obviously examined a lot of the evidence.  On your current view, where on the spectrum would you put the government (or rather, some elements within government)?</p>
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		<title>By: TheLastChance</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/loose-marbles-iii.html#comment-2014</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLastChance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 21:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two separate ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two separate ones.</p>
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