Comments on: Memorial Day http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:09:52 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-24216 Ebonmuse Sat, 26 May 2007 20:10:39 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-24216 Thanks, all. I should point out that this post was written in 2006, and some things have changed since then (though not everything, alas). Perhaps I should write an updated version for the coming year. Thanks, all. I should point out that this post was written in 2006, and some things have changed since then (though not everything, alas). Perhaps I should write an updated version for the coming year.

]]> By: Matt R http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-24209 Matt R Sat, 26 May 2007 01:59:33 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-24209 Ebonmuse, <blockquote>The best gift we can give these honored dead is to work toward peace, by ending not just this war but all wars, so that future generations will never be asked to make the awesome sacrifice that far too many have now made. The people now in power in America do not understand that; we can only hope that those who come after them will.</blockquote> Thank you for the outstanding thoughts, Adam. Very kind. Take Care, Matt Ebonmuse,

The best gift we can give these honored dead is to work toward peace, by ending not just this war but all wars, so that future generations will never be asked to make the awesome sacrifice that far too many have now made. The people now in power in America do not understand that; we can only hope that those who come after them will.

Thank you for the outstanding thoughts, Adam. Very kind.

Take Care,

Matt

]]> By: Bezerkerette http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-24183 Bezerkerette Fri, 25 May 2007 16:06:38 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-24183 Well Spoken! Well Spoken!

]]> By: Expert Opinion http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2722 Expert Opinion Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:09:20 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2722 Carnival of the Liberals #14 Welcome one and all to the Carnival of the Liberals! Carnival of the Liberals #14

Welcome one and all to the Carnival of the Liberals!

]]> By: Eziekel http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2565 Eziekel Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:44:18 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2565 You are right, bush doesn't have an exit strategy, but he doesn't plan on evacuating until the threat (albeit, he created the threat by attacking in the first place) is minimized (which doesn't look promising in the near future). but this is where opinions go either way, some think our troops should be pulled out as soon as possible and fuck iraq, but i think we must stay given the circumstances at this juncture. this can be argued all day and no one will change their minds, but that's how bush is slightly less evil, i guess. bush is doing the right thing, horribly, (staying there, not going) and kerry would have just done the wrong thing. hitler was a genius who did horrible things, bush is an idiot who should have never been put in office, who is so delusional and he thinks he's doing god's work, as he said in a speach in turkey, so he thinks he's doing good. You are right, bush doesn't have an exit strategy, but he doesn't plan on evacuating until the threat (albeit, he created the threat by attacking in the first place) is minimized (which doesn't look promising in the near future). but this is where opinions go either way, some think our troops should be pulled out as soon as possible and fuck iraq, but i think we must stay given the circumstances at this juncture. this can be argued all day and no one will change their minds, but that's how bush is slightly less evil, i guess. bush is doing the right thing, horribly, (staying there, not going) and kerry would have just done the wrong thing. hitler was a genius who did horrible things, bush is an idiot who should have never been put in office, who is so delusional and he thinks he's doing god's work, as he said in a speach in turkey, so he thinks he's doing good.

]]> By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2539 Ebonmuse Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:07:43 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2539 <blockquote>Would I go to war willingly and die for the freedom of Americans against a legitimate threat? I like to think I would. Would I want to go walk through minefields, IEDs, suicide bombers and be the recipient of racial and cultural hatred while being obligated to be as nice as possible to the perpetrators? No thanks.</blockquote> I feel much the same way. I strongly believe that if America was faced with a <i>legitimate</i> threat and there was a recruiting shortfall, I would gladly volunteer, but Iraq was not a legitimate threat. This war was conceived as a war of empire, and that is something I will never support. Incidentally, sir, allow me to thank you for your service. I am always grateful to those who served in defense of my freedom as an American, and no time is better than Memorial Day to express that gratitude. <blockquote>Perhaps I should have specified as to where my information on Kerry had come from, my cousin worked on Kerry's campaign during the election. Kerry had a strong stance as to remove the soldiers from iraq but literally had no plan to do so.</blockquote> Perhaps that is true. But Bush and the Republicans undeniably also have no plan at all. How then are they the lesser of two evils in that respect?

Would I go to war willingly and die for the freedom of Americans against a legitimate threat? I like to think I would. Would I want to go walk through minefields, IEDs, suicide bombers and be the recipient of racial and cultural hatred while being obligated to be as nice as possible to the perpetrators? No thanks.

I feel much the same way. I strongly believe that if America was faced with a legitimate threat and there was a recruiting shortfall, I would gladly volunteer, but Iraq was not a legitimate threat. This war was conceived as a war of empire, and that is something I will never support.

Incidentally, sir, allow me to thank you for your service. I am always grateful to those who served in defense of my freedom as an American, and no time is better than Memorial Day to express that gratitude.

Perhaps I should have specified as to where my information on Kerry had come from, my cousin worked on Kerry's campaign during the election. Kerry had a strong stance as to remove the soldiers from iraq but literally had no plan to do so.

Perhaps that is true. But Bush and the Republicans undeniably also have no plan at all. How then are they the lesser of two evils in that respect?

]]> By: Eziekel http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2522 Eziekel Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:43:04 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2522 Perhaps I should have specified as to where my information on Kerry had come from, my cousin worked on Kerry's campaign during the election. Kerry had a strong stance as to remove the soldiers from iraq but literally had no plan to do so. it's not entirely his fault at all, bush fucked the situation up so much in the first place that, hey, we're still there today with no evacuation in sight. the fact is, that was his primary campaign focus but it was all b.s. there is nothing good about bush, but once you put a country in that condition, that country needs to be restored. this can be argued either way and no one will give. And yes, oil is a huge part of this entire war and if bush would do something to evoke the use of alternative feuls, namely, hydrogen, then maybe we wouldn't be in this mess, and maybe we'd have a much cleaner environment too. but like i said, bush is a terrible leader. Perhaps I should have specified as to where my information on Kerry had come from, my cousin worked on Kerry's campaign during the election. Kerry had a strong stance as to remove the soldiers from iraq but literally had no plan to do so. it's not entirely his fault at all, bush fucked the situation up so much in the first place that, hey, we're still there today with no evacuation in sight. the fact is, that was his primary campaign focus but it was all b.s. there is nothing good about bush, but once you put a country in that condition, that country needs to be restored. this can be argued either way and no one will give. And yes, oil is a huge part of this entire war and if bush would do something to evoke the use of alternative feuls, namely, hydrogen, then maybe we wouldn't be in this mess, and maybe we'd have a much cleaner environment too. but like i said, bush is a terrible leader.

]]> By: Jeff T http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2503 Jeff T Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:03:01 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2503 Adam, I am a retired veteran and I appreciate your thoughts on this subject as well as atheism. I voted proudly for the Libertarian Candidate for President based on his promise of bringing the Troops home within 90 days. Mistake or intentional misleading is irrelevant in my opinion. Iraq cannot be won with the current policy of being a 'Knight of the Round Table' as you walk through the minefields and are shot at from religious sanctuaries. Rome showed the world how to win a war with the Third Punic War. Carthage was razed, its walls destroyed and the people scattered. That is what a war is and why I could not fathom those in America wanting a war. Then again, America didn't want a war, they wanted roses thrown at the Troops by joyful Iraqis who were greatful to be saved from Saddam. Would I go to war willingly and die for the freedom of Americans against a legitimate threat? I like to think I would. Would I want to go walk through minefields, IEDs, suicide bombers and be the recipient of racial and cultural hatred while being obligated to be as nice as possible to the perpetrators? No thanks. Adam,
I am a retired veteran and I appreciate your thoughts on this subject as well as atheism. I voted proudly for the Libertarian Candidate for President based on his promise of bringing the Troops home within 90 days. Mistake or intentional misleading is irrelevant in my opinion. Iraq cannot be won with the current policy of being a 'Knight of the Round Table' as you walk through the minefields and are shot at from religious sanctuaries. Rome showed the world how to win a war with the Third Punic War. Carthage was razed, its walls destroyed and the people scattered. That is what a war is and why I could not fathom those in America wanting a war. Then again, America didn't want a war, they wanted roses thrown at the Troops by joyful Iraqis who were greatful to be saved from Saddam.
Would I go to war willingly and die for the freedom of Americans against a legitimate threat? I like to think I would. Would I want to go walk through minefields, IEDs, suicide bombers and be the recipient of racial and cultural hatred while being obligated to be as nice as possible to the perpetrators? No thanks.

]]> By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2491 Ebonmuse Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:47:10 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2491 I concur with Azkyroth: Eziekel, since we agree that Bush has been an absolutely disastrous president, why do you think he was the lesser of two evils when compared to Kerry? I'm genuinely curious. I concur with Azkyroth: Eziekel, since we agree that Bush has been an absolutely disastrous president, why do you think he was the lesser of two evils when compared to Kerry? I'm genuinely curious.

]]> By: Azkyroth http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2484 Azkyroth Thu, 01 Jun 2006 01:58:52 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2484 So how exactly is it that you figure Bush is the lesser of two evils, then? Are you getting all your information about Kerry's position on Iraq from Bush propoganda or something? Your stated position on Iraq is more or less the same as Kerry's (his "pottery barn" metaphor, for example), except Kerry's was coupled with the understanding that our current approach to Iraq is making things increasingly unsafe there by needlessly fanning tensions and tossing bone after bone to the extremist psychos. So how exactly is it that you figure Bush is the lesser of two evils, then? Are you getting all your information about Kerry's position on Iraq from Bush propoganda or something? Your stated position on Iraq is more or less the same as Kerry's (his "pottery barn" metaphor, for example), except Kerry's was coupled with the understanding that our current approach to Iraq is making things increasingly unsafe there by needlessly fanning tensions and tossing bone after bone to the extremist psychos.

]]> By: Eziekel http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2481 Eziekel Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:59:20 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2481 Bush has been an absolutely horrible president since his second election, not as though he wasn't in his first term either, but when compared to Kerry, he's the lesser of two evils. I think we have no other choice but to stay in Iraq until it is safe to evacuate. I do agree that we should have never invaded Iraq though, and those deaths are pointless. the real issue here is that this is another religious war with a christian agenda, and no man, woman, or child of any faith should die in the name of god, one which we ALL know to be conceptualized as an instrument for explanation, rather than based any empiracle evidence. This war is a new age crusade, chrisitians vs. the muslim extremist, and it's the christians fault that the lesser jihad, i.e fighting the infidels in the holy battle, became the greater jihad, formerly fighting the evil within one's self. And this goes back to the crusades when the christians overtook jeruselem. the bottom line is that bush is attempting to become a tyrannical dictator propogating christianity. The ignorant fuck actually pretends to be doing "god's work" like he's some sort of prophet. This is a religious war and we need to fully secularize the u.s so this bloodshed in the name of god ends. Bush has been an absolutely horrible president since his second election, not as though he wasn't in his first term either, but when compared to Kerry, he's the lesser of two evils. I think we have no other choice but to stay in Iraq until it is safe to evacuate. I do agree that we should have never invaded Iraq though, and those deaths are pointless. the real issue here is that this is another religious war with a christian agenda, and no man, woman, or child of any faith should die in the name of god, one which we ALL know to be conceptualized as an instrument for explanation, rather than based any empiracle evidence. This war is a new age crusade, chrisitians vs. the muslim extremist, and it's the christians fault that the lesser jihad, i.e fighting the infidels in the holy battle, became the greater jihad, formerly fighting the evil within one's self. And this goes back to the crusades when the christians overtook jeruselem. the bottom line is that bush is attempting to become a tyrannical dictator propogating christianity. The ignorant fuck actually pretends to be doing "god's work" like he's some sort of prophet. This is a religious war and we need to fully secularize the u.s so this bloodshed in the name of god ends.

]]> By: Azkyroth http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2475 Azkyroth Wed, 31 May 2006 23:12:38 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/memorial-day.html#comment-2475 I'm sure that <b>O</b>ur dec<b>I</b>sion to attack Iraq was not undertaken <b>L</b>ightly and that there were g<b>O</b>od reasons for do<b>I</b>ng so. <b>L</b>et's just leave it at that. :P I'm sure that Our decIsion to attack Iraq was not undertaken Lightly and that there were gOod reasons for doIng so. Let's just leave it at that. :P

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