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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/shattering-stereotypes.html#comment-6583</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Deb,

Only you know what would be best for your situation, of course. But in general, I find that it pays to tell your family things like this in a way that's under your control, in a time and place and manner of your choosing. Otherwise, it may come out accidentally some day, in a way that wouldn't be nearly as favorable for you. Have you considered writing your family members a letter to explain your change of viewpoint? (And besides, like you said, maybe they're atheists too! Finding that out by disclosing your own non-believer status might give all of you something new in common and draw you closer together.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Deb,</p>
<p>Only you know what would be best for your situation, of course. But in general, I find that it pays to tell your family things like this in a way that's under your control, in a time and place and manner of your choosing. Otherwise, it may come out accidentally some day, in a way that wouldn't be nearly as favorable for you. Have you considered writing your family members a letter to explain your change of viewpoint? (And besides, like you said, maybe they're atheists too! Finding that out by disclosing your own non-believer status might give all of you something new in common and draw you closer together.)</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/shattering-stereotypes.html#comment-6545</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading this article as much of the site. I have announced myatheist status to my husband and always answer 'atheist' if anyone asks me about my religion. However, my other close family memebers never ask about me about religion. It was me who wanted to go to church in the first place, so perhaps they are atheists too - they just never told me. I don't want to just announce it at dinner one day so should I just leave it at that and let them find out when an opportunity arises? e.g. if I make plans for a secular funeral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading this article as much of the site. I have announced myatheist status to my husband and always answer 'atheist' if anyone asks me about my religion. However, my other close family memebers never ask about me about religion. It was me who wanted to go to church in the first place, so perhaps they are atheists too - they just never told me. I don't want to just announce it at dinner one day so should I just leave it at that and let them find out when an opportunity arises? e.g. if I make plans for a secular funeral.</p>
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		<title>By: BiBi Cambridge</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/shattering-stereotypes.html#comment-2441</link>
		<dc:creator>BiBi Cambridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 10:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is fascinating, I only came across this site because I wrote  a jokey blog about Scientology that was included in Frankey's carnival. I grew up in London, and to be honest, I have never experienced negativity about athiesm here... In fact, I would go as far as saying that those who espouse about their religious beliefs are far more likely to be ousted from the conversation than those who calim not to believe; at least that's how it seems in the circles I frequent. If I shut my eyes to the outside world I would surmise that we live in a fairly godless society. Anyway, interesting read, thanks.

BiBi x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is fascinating, I only came across this site because I wrote  a jokey blog about Scientology that was included in Frankey's carnival. I grew up in London, and to be honest, I have never experienced negativity about athiesm here... In fact, I would go as far as saying that those who espouse about their religious beliefs are far more likely to be ousted from the conversation than those who calim not to believe; at least that's how it seems in the circles I frequent. If I shut my eyes to the outside world I would surmise that we live in a fairly godless society. Anyway, interesting read, thanks.</p>
<p>BiBi x</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/shattering-stereotypes.html#comment-2298</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 00:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Please consider, for example, how much sense it would make to say of blacks that they should step forward and announce their race, as if making others aware of the fact that they were black would end prejudice against them. Nor was it ever possible for women to reduce discrimination against them simply by standing up and announcing to others that they are women.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

However, unlike blacks and women, atheists are an invisible group. That is to say, you cannot in general tell whether someone is an atheist just by looking at them, and this undeniably allows prejudice to persist, since the group being demonized offers no visible counterexamples to bigoted views. When a group is more obviously visible, prejudice must take root on a different basis and can be more difficult to overcome, but I firmly maintain that anti-atheist prejudice is more shallow and can be defeated by a sustained campaign of visibility - not least because the success of past social justice movements has encouraged people to be ashamed of holding bigoted views.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is, similarly, somewhat optimistic that merely asserting and letting others know that one is an atheist will have any effect on their prejudice against atheists. Prejudice simply does not behave that way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I strongly disagree. What would happen if a person who had previously entertained bigoted anti-atheist views suddenly learned that a friend or a loved one or a personal idol, someone whom they cared about and whose opinions they respected, was an atheist? That could only have a positive effect, weakening or destroying prejudiced views. In addition, you'll notice that I outlined a specific plan by which atheists could fight prejudice, as opposed to simply announcing one's atheism and hoping that this alone will dispel stereotypes.

&lt;blockquote&gt;What it took, on the parts of women and blacks, to actually fight discrimination was an organized campaign whereby they stood together and shouted, "We're not going to take it, anymore."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree, we do have to do this. Atheists will never get any societal traction until they organize politically, which is why I have called for them to do just that on many different occasions. But stepping forward to combat religious stereotypes will necessarily be the first step of any such endeavor.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you at all concerned that increasing our efforts to respond to negative stereotypes allows theists to define the debate? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Only if we spend all our time refuting those stereotypes and no time putting forth a positive alternative of our own. Granted, doing both is more difficult in an age of 30-second media appearances, rather than past eras where a multi-hour public debate was considered good entertainment. But I do not think it is impossible. We just have to adapt to the current media climate, especially by learning to state our views concisely and effectively, and by always giving the audience a way to find more information. The Internet is a wonderful invention in that respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Please consider, for example, how much sense it would make to say of blacks that they should step forward and announce their race, as if making others aware of the fact that they were black would end prejudice against them. Nor was it ever possible for women to reduce discrimination against them simply by standing up and announcing to others that they are women.</p></blockquote>
<p>However, unlike blacks and women, atheists are an invisible group. That is to say, you cannot in general tell whether someone is an atheist just by looking at them, and this undeniably allows prejudice to persist, since the group being demonized offers no visible counterexamples to bigoted views. When a group is more obviously visible, prejudice must take root on a different basis and can be more difficult to overcome, but I firmly maintain that anti-atheist prejudice is more shallow and can be defeated by a sustained campaign of visibility - not least because the success of past social justice movements has encouraged people to be ashamed of holding bigoted views.</p>
<blockquote><p>It is, similarly, somewhat optimistic that merely asserting and letting others know that one is an atheist will have any effect on their prejudice against atheists. Prejudice simply does not behave that way.</p></blockquote>
<p>I strongly disagree. What would happen if a person who had previously entertained bigoted anti-atheist views suddenly learned that a friend or a loved one or a personal idol, someone whom they cared about and whose opinions they respected, was an atheist? That could only have a positive effect, weakening or destroying prejudiced views. In addition, you'll notice that I outlined a specific plan by which atheists could fight prejudice, as opposed to simply announcing one's atheism and hoping that this alone will dispel stereotypes.</p>
<blockquote><p>What it took, on the parts of women and blacks, to actually fight discrimination was an organized campaign whereby they stood together and shouted, "We're not going to take it, anymore."</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree, we do have to do this. Atheists will never get any societal traction until they organize politically, which is why I have called for them to do just that on many different occasions. But stepping forward to combat religious stereotypes will necessarily be the first step of any such endeavor.</p>
<blockquote><p>Are you at all concerned that increasing our efforts to respond to negative stereotypes allows theists to define the debate? </p></blockquote>
<p>Only if we spend all our time refuting those stereotypes and no time putting forth a positive alternative of our own. Granted, doing both is more difficult in an age of 30-second media appearances, rather than past eras where a multi-hour public debate was considered good entertainment. But I do not think it is impossible. We just have to adapt to the current media climate, especially by learning to state our views concisely and effectively, and by always giving the audience a way to find more information. The Internet is a wonderful invention in that respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Void</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/shattering-stereotypes.html#comment-2286</link>
		<dc:creator>Void</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 21:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except we have suffrage, we also have a massive PR crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except we have suffrage, we also have a massive PR crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/shattering-stereotypes.html#comment-2265</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 14:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order for there to be a campaign for women and black equality there had to be individual blacks and women who were not ashamed of their identity. Of course, in those cases it was obvious to the prejudiced that someone was a member of the relevant group: perhaps a more relevant case here is homosexuals: does it help the homsexual cause when people come out of the closet? I think it does. Its a first step of course, and there is much more to do, but it starts with the revelation that you exist as people and not morely as theoretical constructs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order for there to be a campaign for women and black equality there had to be individual blacks and women who were not ashamed of their identity. Of course, in those cases it was obvious to the prejudiced that someone was a member of the relevant group: perhaps a more relevant case here is homosexuals: does it help the homsexual cause when people come out of the closet? I think it does. Its a first step of course, and there is much more to do, but it starts with the revelation that you exist as people and not morely as theoretical constructs</p>
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		<title>By: vjack</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/shattering-stereotypes.html#comment-2233</link>
		<dc:creator>vjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 12:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. Are you at all concerned that increasing our efforts to respond to negative stereotypes allows theists to define the debate? Look at the Bush/Kerry disaster. In part, I believe that Bush won because his side was able to put Kerry on the defensive so much so that Kerry had less time to attack Bush. I'd hate to see atheists become so focused on defending themselves that they lost sight of the real issue (i.e., the irrational beliefs held by theists). I guess what I am saying is that any defensive posture must be balanced by continued criticism of religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Are you at all concerned that increasing our efforts to respond to negative stereotypes allows theists to define the debate? Look at the Bush/Kerry disaster. In part, I believe that Bush won because his side was able to put Kerry on the defensive so much so that Kerry had less time to attack Bush. I'd hate to see atheists become so focused on defending themselves that they lost sight of the real issue (i.e., the irrational beliefs held by theists). I guess what I am saying is that any defensive posture must be balanced by continued criticism of religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Void</title>
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		<dc:creator>Void</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 13:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bring on the civil disobedience!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bring on the civil disobedience!</p>
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		<title>By: Alonzo Fyfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alonzo Fyfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 08:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please consider, for example, how much sense it would make to say of blacks that they should step forward and announce their race, as if making others aware of the fact that they were black would end prejudice against them. Nor was it ever possible for women to reduce discrimination against them simply by standing up and announcing to others that they are women.

It is, similarly, somewhat optimistic that merely asserting and letting others know that one is an atheist will have any effect on their prejudice against atheists. Prejudice simply does not behave that way.

What it took, on the parts of women and blacks, to actually fight discrimination was an organized campaign whereby they stood together and shouted, "We're not going to take it, anymore." I do not mean simply taking the issues to the courts. The only effect this will have will be to help support a campaign to appoint only bigoted judges.

The case has to be carried to the people, and it has to come with substantive demands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please consider, for example, how much sense it would make to say of blacks that they should step forward and announce their race, as if making others aware of the fact that they were black would end prejudice against them. Nor was it ever possible for women to reduce discrimination against them simply by standing up and announcing to others that they are women.</p>
<p>It is, similarly, somewhat optimistic that merely asserting and letting others know that one is an atheist will have any effect on their prejudice against atheists. Prejudice simply does not behave that way.</p>
<p>What it took, on the parts of women and blacks, to actually fight discrimination was an organized campaign whereby they stood together and shouted, "We're not going to take it, anymore." I do not mean simply taking the issues to the courts. The only effect this will have will be to help support a campaign to appoint only bigoted judges.</p>
<p>The case has to be carried to the people, and it has to come with substantive demands.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/shattering-stereotypes.html#comment-1796</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 16:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't agree more. In fact, just a few days ago I received an e-mail from a young man living in the Bible Belt who was planning to announce to his religious family and friends that he was an atheist, and wanted to know how best to deal with a few theist arguments he thought he was likely to hear. I did my best to give him answers that would help, but mostly I praised him for his courage. The more atheists come out of the closet, the better off we will all be. 

Truthfully, I doubt that having convincing replies to the usual arguments will do much good to change most religious people's minds. Their beliefs are based on faith and emotion, not on reason. However, if having those replies gives the &lt;i&gt;atheist&lt;/i&gt; courage and encourages them to stand up and be counted, then it's for all the good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn't agree more. In fact, just a few days ago I received an e-mail from a young man living in the Bible Belt who was planning to announce to his religious family and friends that he was an atheist, and wanted to know how best to deal with a few theist arguments he thought he was likely to hear. I did my best to give him answers that would help, but mostly I praised him for his courage. The more atheists come out of the closet, the better off we will all be. </p>
<p>Truthfully, I doubt that having convincing replies to the usual arguments will do much good to change most religious people's minds. Their beliefs are based on faith and emotion, not on reason. However, if having those replies gives the <i>atheist</i> courage and encourages them to stand up and be counted, then it's for all the good.</p>
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