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		<title>By: anti-nonsense</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/the-road-not-taken.html#comment-23232</link>
		<dc:creator>anti-nonsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree that ebonmuse would have made an excellent preacher. Have you ever thought of giving speeches to atheist organizations? A lot of your essays would make great speeches. 

And I have to agree with other people, that accepting the easy answers of religion would be so much nicer, but I seem to be one of those rare people that is constitutionally unable to swallow that stuff. Believe me, I've given it an honest try, but I am naturally intellectually honest and unable to ignore evidence it seems. Which does wonders for my intellectual fulfillment but little for my emotional fulfillment at times. I need to find me a local secular organization to join, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree that ebonmuse would have made an excellent preacher. Have you ever thought of giving speeches to atheist organizations? A lot of your essays would make great speeches. </p>
<p>And I have to agree with other people, that accepting the easy answers of religion would be so much nicer, but I seem to be one of those rare people that is constitutionally unable to swallow that stuff. Believe me, I've given it an honest try, but I am naturally intellectually honest and unable to ignore evidence it seems. Which does wonders for my intellectual fulfillment but little for my emotional fulfillment at times. I need to find me a local secular organization to join, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, Lynet, and thank you! Yes, I'll admit it, this site is definitely my pulpit. (Or perhaps soapbox would be more appropriately secular?) I'm glad just for the chance to speak out, in whatever forum. And if there's some religion out there that wants me, they can have me - if they can provide evidence, of course!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Lynet, and thank you! Yes, I'll admit it, this site is definitely my pulpit. (Or perhaps soapbox would be more appropriately secular?) I'm glad just for the chance to speak out, in whatever forum. And if there's some religion out there that wants me, they can have me - if they can provide evidence, of course!</p>
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		<title>By: Lynet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How true, how true!  Trawling through your archives, there have been many times when I could have commented but didn't bother because the story was so old.  On this one, though, I have to speak up.  You &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; have been a good preacher.  Many of your writings read like utterly superb sermons for atheists.  But at least a lot of us get to read you here, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How true, how true!  Trawling through your archives, there have been many times when I could have commented but didn't bother because the story was so old.  On this one, though, I have to speak up.  You <i>would</i> have been a good preacher.  Many of your writings read like utterly superb sermons for atheists.  But at least a lot of us get to read you here, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/the-road-not-taken.html#comment-3271</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon further reflection on the success of outrageous and outlandish salvationist religions...I think the common denominator is people's overwhelming sense that Reality just plain sucks. Randomness, meaninglessness, mere existence, maintaining bodily functions, death coming whenever it chooses...all this adds up to a pretty shitty feeling about being alive, about being here at all.
So: along comes a Great Story that tells of Purpose, Meaning, Eternity, etc., and this really motivates people. What story is that? Look around! It doesn't matter. The Christian/Jesus story is only one that seems to do the trick. ( As for me one great story that helps me cope is Edward Abbey's The Monkey Wrench Gang.)
We seem to need some Great Story to live by. So what kind of Big Picture Great Story can the atheist worldview create? This would have to be a story that includes characters to whom the reader can relate, of course. Not just a book of ideas and theories. Daniel Quinn's Ishmael worked for me for a number of years, but by now it seems to fall short of what is needed. It now seems naive and hopelessly romantic. What is needed is a narrative that speaks to people's most basic (spiritual?) needs. The Bible and the whole Christian thing may be pure bullshit, but it is packaged as The Answer to people's pressing existential ( and beyond!) desires. To be brainwashed into a closed-loop worldview might feel like Bliss. There is a bumper sticker that says "God Said it; I Believe It; That Settles It". The people who sport these stickers have found their peace by editing out everything in the world except their fundmentalist belief system. They seem to be happy; they don't suffer existential dilemnas anymore. They seem to be decisive and active in the world. Once upon a time I was a 100% Pure Eco-Guy working for Greenpeace, and boy was THAT a great time in my life. Things were all very black and white, good and bad, viewed through my Eco-lenses. I was also in my early 20s then. I was very happy, had a Tribe to be a part of, and my life had Big Picture Meaning. Sigh...sorry to say I can't buy that worldview anymore. Things are much more existentially complicated for any kind of Fundamentalist mindset to appreciate. I still care about whales, it's just that Save The Whales no longer does It for me. 
Wow, this short comment has morphed into I don't know what. All I know is that I still care about things and I can't stand religious fundamentalism and how it threatens to ruin everything. It seems dishonest. Maybe honesty is what really motivates me. Let's just be fucking honest with each other. Okay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon further reflection on the success of outrageous and outlandish salvationist religions...I think the common denominator is people's overwhelming sense that Reality just plain sucks. Randomness, meaninglessness, mere existence, maintaining bodily functions, death coming whenever it chooses...all this adds up to a pretty shitty feeling about being alive, about being here at all.<br />
So: along comes a Great Story that tells of Purpose, Meaning, Eternity, etc., and this really motivates people. What story is that? Look around! It doesn't matter. The Christian/Jesus story is only one that seems to do the trick. ( As for me one great story that helps me cope is Edward Abbey's The Monkey Wrench Gang.)<br />
We seem to need some Great Story to live by. So what kind of Big Picture Great Story can the atheist worldview create? This would have to be a story that includes characters to whom the reader can relate, of course. Not just a book of ideas and theories. Daniel Quinn's Ishmael worked for me for a number of years, but by now it seems to fall short of what is needed. It now seems naive and hopelessly romantic. What is needed is a narrative that speaks to people's most basic (spiritual?) needs. The Bible and the whole Christian thing may be pure bullshit, but it is packaged as The Answer to people's pressing existential ( and beyond!) desires. To be brainwashed into a closed-loop worldview might feel like Bliss. There is a bumper sticker that says "God Said it; I Believe It; That Settles It". The people who sport these stickers have found their peace by editing out everything in the world except their fundmentalist belief system. They seem to be happy; they don't suffer existential dilemnas anymore. They seem to be decisive and active in the world. Once upon a time I was a 100% Pure Eco-Guy working for Greenpeace, and boy was THAT a great time in my life. Things were all very black and white, good and bad, viewed through my Eco-lenses. I was also in my early 20s then. I was very happy, had a Tribe to be a part of, and my life had Big Picture Meaning. Sigh...sorry to say I can't buy that worldview anymore. Things are much more existentially complicated for any kind of Fundamentalist mindset to appreciate. I still care about whales, it's just that Save The Whales no longer does It for me.<br />
Wow, this short comment has morphed into I don't know what. All I know is that I still care about things and I can't stand religious fundamentalism and how it threatens to ruin everything. It seems dishonest. Maybe honesty is what really motivates me. Let's just be fucking honest with each other. Okay?</p>
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		<title>By: Azkyroth</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/05/the-road-not-taken.html#comment-2802</link>
		<dc:creator>Azkyroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;nothing could be further from the truth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I notice you use this phrase a lot.  Is there a story behind that?

As for me, I'm fortunately not exposed to open hostility very often, but I find I'm frequently under pressure from family members to keep quiet, even when those around me are voicing their religious opinions loudly and at length.  I never could abide double standards...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>nothing could be further from the truth.</p></blockquote>
<p>I notice you use this phrase a lot.  Is there a story behind that?</p>
<p>As for me, I'm fortunately not exposed to open hostility very often, but I find I'm frequently under pressure from family members to keep quiet, even when those around me are voicing their religious opinions loudly and at length.  I never could abide double standards...</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, Kirk! It seems to me you've been searching for something, and if I may be so bold, I think you've come to the right place. I hope you'll choose to stay around and maybe participate in some discussions. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I simply do not understand how organized religion has had the success it has had over the centuries. I find The Bible quite bizarre, and I wonder how this collection of ancient writings have led to the HUGE multi-zillion dollar industry Christianity is today.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

It truly is incredible when you look at it from the outside, isn't it? Organized religion postulates the most outlandish things imaginable. What, for example, makes any sense at all about a god who is simultaneously three gods and one god at the same time and who could only forgive humanity's sins by sacrificing one part of himself to another part of himself? (What does it even mean for a god to be a "he"?) The only reason these things are viewed as any less bizarre than, say, a B-movie alien overlord sending millions of extraterrestrial ghosts to Earth where they cling to human beings, or a flying ball of spaghetti that created the universe, is that they're believed more widely, and their believers will vociferously attack anyone who points out the inherent absurdity of them. In the eyes of society, popularity is assumed to be the same thing as rationality, but nothing could be further from the truth.

&lt;blockquote&gt;That's why I have tried a few churches over the years. It's like, I go into these places with sincere Big Questions, and, bless them , they do try to answer them. But their answers are, well, always scripted. Insincere. And if I stick around long enough to ask more troubling questions these people can become hostile. And then out the door I go.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I know exactly what you mean. Organized religion is like fast food for the soul - all the answers to life's important questions manufactured, pre-packaged, and presented to you in a shrink-wrapped box. You don't need to worry about a thing; just take it on faith, say your prayers twice a day, and you'll go to Heaven in the end. For many people, that's the chief attraction, of course. It gives them easy answers to all their existential dilemmas without the troubling necessity of thinking too hard. But if you're one of those rare people who can't believe it all so blithely and feels the need to ask how they know any of that, you'll soon be shown the door. Asing too many questions tends to upset the people in church hierarchies, since the very existence of those hierarchies depends on people accepting what they're told without a fuss. Fortunately, for those of us who refuse to conform, there is a better way, and more profound answers to the questions that religion wallpapers over so easily. It's not as easy a trail to walk, but in the end, I think the results make the effort more than worthwhile.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I hope that, by being true to myself, and by being honest and as kind as I can be, and by being a pretty decent father and husband, why, when it is my time to "go" I will okay wherever I "go" after all this ( if anywhere!).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well said, sir. My philosophy has always been to live this life as best as I can, since I don't know if there will ever be another. If there isn't, then I'll know that my time here has not been wasted, and if there is another life, I'll deal with it when I get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Kirk! It seems to me you've been searching for something, and if I may be so bold, I think you've come to the right place. I hope you'll choose to stay around and maybe participate in some discussions. </p>
<blockquote><p>I simply do not understand how organized religion has had the success it has had over the centuries. I find The Bible quite bizarre, and I wonder how this collection of ancient writings have led to the HUGE multi-zillion dollar industry Christianity is today.</p></blockquote>
<p>It truly is incredible when you look at it from the outside, isn't it? Organized religion postulates the most outlandish things imaginable. What, for example, makes any sense at all about a god who is simultaneously three gods and one god at the same time and who could only forgive humanity's sins by sacrificing one part of himself to another part of himself? (What does it even mean for a god to be a "he"?) The only reason these things are viewed as any less bizarre than, say, a B-movie alien overlord sending millions of extraterrestrial ghosts to Earth where they cling to human beings, or a flying ball of spaghetti that created the universe, is that they're believed more widely, and their believers will vociferously attack anyone who points out the inherent absurdity of them. In the eyes of society, popularity is assumed to be the same thing as rationality, but nothing could be further from the truth.</p>
<blockquote><p>That's why I have tried a few churches over the years. It's like, I go into these places with sincere Big Questions, and, bless them , they do try to answer them. But their answers are, well, always scripted. Insincere. And if I stick around long enough to ask more troubling questions these people can become hostile. And then out the door I go.</p></blockquote>
<p>I know exactly what you mean. Organized religion is like fast food for the soul - all the answers to life's important questions manufactured, pre-packaged, and presented to you in a shrink-wrapped box. You don't need to worry about a thing; just take it on faith, say your prayers twice a day, and you'll go to Heaven in the end. For many people, that's the chief attraction, of course. It gives them easy answers to all their existential dilemmas without the troubling necessity of thinking too hard. But if you're one of those rare people who can't believe it all so blithely and feels the need to ask how they know any of that, you'll soon be shown the door. Asing too many questions tends to upset the people in church hierarchies, since the very existence of those hierarchies depends on people accepting what they're told without a fuss. Fortunately, for those of us who refuse to conform, there is a better way, and more profound answers to the questions that religion wallpapers over so easily. It's not as easy a trail to walk, but in the end, I think the results make the effort more than worthwhile.</p>
<blockquote><p>I hope that, by being true to myself, and by being honest and as kind as I can be, and by being a pretty decent father and husband, why, when it is my time to "go" I will okay wherever I "go" after all this ( if anywhere!).</p></blockquote>
<p>Well said, sir. My philosophy has always been to live this life as best as I can, since I don't know if there will ever be another. If there isn't, then I'll know that my time here has not been wasted, and if there is another life, I'll deal with it when I get there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 04:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really relate to this topic - hell, I feel I could have written it myself! I have been riding the fence on this matter for way too long. Deep down in the quiet of my heart I know I am inclined towards what is called atheism. I simply do not understand how organized religion has had the success it has had over the centuries. I find The Bible quite bizarre, and I wonder how this collection of ancient writings have led to the HUGE multi-zillion dollar industry Christianity is today. I recently lost my best friend to a born-again megachurch; it is as if he had a lobotomy. I understand people in our increasingly atomized "society" are turning to anything that will give them a sense of Tribe and Communty. Meaninglessness is a major drag, I know, I know. That's why I have tried a few churches over the years. It's like, I go into these places with sincere Big Questions, and, bless them , they do try to answer them. But their answers are, well, always scripted. Insincere. And if I stick around  long enough to ask more troubling questions these people can become hostile. And then out the door I go. Somebody said ( was it Walt Whitman?) "dismiss whatever insults your intelligence". I can't get around that bit of truth. There are times I am sick of being a lone wolf, but this old wolf cannot enter those places anymore. I hope that, by being true to myself, and by being honest and as kind as I can be, and by being a pretty decent father and husband, why, when it is my time to "go" I will okay wherever I "go" after all this ( if anywhere!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really relate to this topic - hell, I feel I could have written it myself! I have been riding the fence on this matter for way too long. Deep down in the quiet of my heart I know I am inclined towards what is called atheism. I simply do not understand how organized religion has had the success it has had over the centuries. I find The Bible quite bizarre, and I wonder how this collection of ancient writings have led to the HUGE multi-zillion dollar industry Christianity is today. I recently lost my best friend to a born-again megachurch; it is as if he had a lobotomy. I understand people in our increasingly atomized "society" are turning to anything that will give them a sense of Tribe and Communty. Meaninglessness is a major drag, I know, I know. That's why I have tried a few churches over the years. It's like, I go into these places with sincere Big Questions, and, bless them , they do try to answer them. But their answers are, well, always scripted. Insincere. And if I stick around  long enough to ask more troubling questions these people can become hostile. And then out the door I go. Somebody said ( was it Walt Whitman?) "dismiss whatever insults your intelligence". I can't get around that bit of truth. There are times I am sick of being a lone wolf, but this old wolf cannot enter those places anymore. I hope that, by being true to myself, and by being honest and as kind as I can be, and by being a pretty decent father and husband, why, when it is my time to "go" I will okay wherever I "go" after all this ( if anywhere!).</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 01:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel your pain. I am an "out" atheist and so far I haven't seen any anger or hatred from churchgoers save for the very first time I told my friends. But then again, I've only been to the Bible Belt twice and don't plan to go there anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel your pain. I am an "out" atheist and so far I haven't seen any anger or hatred from churchgoers save for the very first time I told my friends. But then again, I've only been to the Bible Belt twice and don't plan to go there anytime soon.</p>
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