Comments on: No Heavens http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:05:56 +0000 By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-24167 Ebonmuse Fri, 25 May 2007 01:55:50 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-24167 That made me laugh. :) That made me laugh. :)

]]> By: Alex Weaver http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-24163 Alex Weaver Fri, 25 May 2007 00:53:38 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-24163 Derivative though it is, I can't believe I just thought of this: <blockquote>What is the afterlife? Control. The afterlife is a human-generated pipe-dream-world invented to keep us under control, in order to turn a human being into <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ATM_750x1300.jpg" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</blockquote> Apologies. Couldn't resist :D Derivative though it is, I can't believe I just thought of this:

What is the afterlife? Control. The afterlife is a human-generated pipe-dream-world invented to keep us under control, in order to turn a human being into this.

Apologies. Couldn't resist :D

]]> By: John http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5696 John Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:33:04 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5696 Wow! I am completely speechless! It's thoughts like these that make me wonder if any other website can add anything more to Atheism. You consistently state your thoughts with elegance and cohesiveness. Of all the pages I have been to regarding Atheism, this one is the best by far. You keep saying all the things that I have always wanted to say. Stop beating me to the punch, man! Ha ha ha! Keep up the goood work! Wow! I am completely speechless! It's thoughts like these that make me wonder if any other website can add anything more to Atheism. You consistently state your thoughts with elegance and cohesiveness. Of all the pages I have been to regarding Atheism, this one is the best by far. You keep saying all the things that I have always wanted to say. Stop beating me to the punch, man! Ha ha ha! Keep up the goood work!

]]> By: Philip Thomas http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5566 Philip Thomas Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:37:08 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5566 The doctrine of Purgatory is important here: the repentant sinner still suffers (indeed, he has to suffer, for without purification he could not attain heaven). And the more evil that one does, the more evil one becomes and the harder it is to repent (true repentance being necessary, of course). As for knowing what one must do, I suppose you are right: the mercy of God is inscurtable. Fortunately, following the Universal Moral Code is what one ought to do anyway, regardless of its effect on the afterlife. The doctrine of Purgatory is important here: the repentant sinner still suffers (indeed, he has to suffer, for without purification he could not attain heaven). And the more evil that one does, the more evil one becomes and the harder it is to repent (true repentance being necessary, of course).

As for knowing what one must do, I suppose you are right: the mercy of God is inscurtable. Fortunately, following the Universal Moral Code is what one ought to do anyway, regardless of its effect on the afterlife.

]]> By: lpetrich http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5564 lpetrich Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:00:22 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5564 So you can commit whatever sins you want as long ao you repent in time? And if one cannot really know if anyone has been sent to Hell or not, then one cannot know what one has to do in order to avoid being sent there. So you can commit whatever sins you want as long ao you repent in time?

And if one cannot really know if anyone has been sent to Hell or not, then one cannot know what one has to do in order to avoid being sent there.

]]> By: Philip Thomas http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5477 Philip Thomas Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:06:21 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5477 No human can know that another human soul is in Hell. It may be that at the moment of death, to late to save himself in this life, the suicide threw himself on God's mercy and was saved for the next. It may be that he repented in the afterlife when confronted with his deed. Lying is normally a sin, but there are circumstances in which it is not. I do not believe that the torments of Hell are one of the joys of heaven. No human can know that another human soul is in Hell. It may be that at the moment of death, to late to save himself in this life, the suicide threw himself on God's mercy and was saved for the next. It may be that he repented in the afterlife when confronted with his deed.

Lying is normally a sin, but there are circumstances in which it is not.

I do not believe that the torments of Hell are one of the joys of heaven.

]]> By: lpetrich http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5475 lpetrich Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:02:23 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5475 Then someone who leads a funeral service for someone who committed suicide ought to claim that that person has been sent to Hell? Otherwise they'd be lying, and lying, as we all know, is a sin, right? Complete with horrible tortures described in gory detail. And the "consolation" that one of the joys of Heaven will be getting to watch the torments of those sent to Hell. Then someone who leads a funeral service for someone who committed suicide ought to claim that that person has been sent to Hell? Otherwise they'd be lying, and lying, as we all know, is a sin, right?

Complete with horrible tortures described in gory detail. And the "consolation" that one of the joys of Heaven will be getting to watch the torments of those sent to Hell.

]]> By: Philip Thomas http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5468 Philip Thomas Sat, 26 Aug 2006 07:57:03 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5468 Well, that is the purpose of the wake. Suicide is a one-way ticket to hell, in most religous accounts. Yes, well one shouldn't beleive in things just because they make you feel good. One should beleive in them because they are true. Well, that is the purpose of the wake.

Suicide is a one-way ticket to hell, in most religous accounts.

Yes, well one shouldn't beleive in things just because they make you feel good. One should beleive in them because they are true.

]]> By: lpetrich http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5466 lpetrich Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:37:03 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5466 Another thing about Heaven: if belief in Heaven is supposed to be such a consolation, why don't people turn funerals into celebrations of the dear departed's arrival in Heaven? And why don't people try to join their dear departed by committing suicide? That might be why suicide has often been decreed to be Pearly-Gate crashing; it would deprive the clergy of their followers. Heaven's Gate is no more, because all its members had decided to hitch a ride on a comet by their committing suicide. Furthermore, if there is a Hell, then the dear departed could have been sent there instead of to Heaven, meaning that belief in an afterlife becomes a poor consolation in such a case. In fact, when a relative of mine, "Rufus", died, another relative, "Gaby", showed up at Rufus's funeral and declared that Rufus would be going to Hell because he had not been a member of Gaby's church. Another thing about Heaven: if belief in Heaven is supposed to be such a consolation, why don't people turn funerals into celebrations of the dear departed's arrival in Heaven?

And why don't people try to join their dear departed by committing suicide?

That might be why suicide has often been decreed to be Pearly-Gate crashing; it would deprive the clergy of their followers. Heaven's Gate is no more, because all its members had decided to hitch a ride on a comet by their committing suicide.

Furthermore, if there is a Hell, then the dear departed could have been sent there instead of to Heaven, meaning that belief in an afterlife becomes a poor consolation in such a case.

In fact, when a relative of mine, "Rufus", died, another relative, "Gaby", showed up at Rufus's funeral and declared that Rufus would be going to Hell because he had not been a member of Gaby's church.

]]> By: toomanytribbles http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5370 toomanytribbles Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:58:15 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/no-heavens.html#comment-5370 i don't believe in eternal torment, and also can't imagine it. i don't believe in eternal torment, and also can't imagine it.

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