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		<title>By: kennypo65</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-61620</link>
		<dc:creator>kennypo65</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: After this snake-oil salesman &quot;heals&quot; someone, does he do any follow up, like medical professionals do, or is he on to the next &quot;crusade&quot;, fleecing more of the faithful?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: After this snake-oil salesman "heals" someone, does he do any follow up, like medical professionals do, or is he on to the next "crusade", fleecing more of the faithful?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter N</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-61602</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Testimonies are perfectly adequate for church, but worthless for science.  Doctors and scientists can fool themselves and see what they want to see, just like the rest of us.  It takes the tools of science -- randomized, placebo-controlled double-blind tests, with the test protocols, data, and conclusions published in peer-reviewed journals, to discover reliable treatments for medical conditions.

As for Jaerock Lee&#039;s faith-healing show, &quot;We have never seen, in our time, nature go out of her course. But we have good reason to believe that millions of lies have been told in the same time. It is therefore at least millions to one that the reporter of a miracle tells a lie.&quot; -- Thomas Paine (1737-1809)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Testimonies are perfectly adequate for church, but worthless for science.  Doctors and scientists can fool themselves and see what they want to see, just like the rest of us.  It takes the tools of science -- randomized, placebo-controlled double-blind tests, with the test protocols, data, and conclusions published in peer-reviewed journals, to discover reliable treatments for medical conditions.</p>
<p>As for Jaerock Lee's faith-healing show, "We have never seen, in our time, nature go out of her course. But we have good reason to believe that millions of lies have been told in the same time. It is therefore at least millions to one that the reporter of a miracle tells a lie." -- Thomas Paine (1737-1809)</p>
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		<title>By: anita</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-61568</link>
		<dc:creator>anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Divine healing is a reality and there are many testimonies that verified the healing power of Rev.Jaerock Lee in the 2nd International Christian Medical Conference – &quot;Spirituality &amp; Medicine&quot;  in Chennai, India on May 30-31, 2005,.Dr. Edith S. Tria (Medical specialist at Dept. of Health Central Laboratory in Manila, The Philippines) said, &quot;It is wonderful to have collected data on healing by God’s power! I was particularly impressed by the cases of systemic lupus erythematosus of a doctor, tennis elbow tendonitis of a violinist, and hydrocele of a baby, all of which were healed by prayer. It is delightful to know that Rev. Dr. Jaerock Lee is a pastor of God’s power, and I would like to read all of his written works.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Divine healing is a reality and there are many testimonies that verified the healing power of Rev.Jaerock Lee in the 2nd International Christian Medical Conference – "Spirituality &amp; Medicine"  in Chennai, India on May 30-31, 2005,.Dr. Edith S. Tria (Medical specialist at Dept. of Health Central Laboratory in Manila, The Philippines) said, "It is wonderful to have collected data on healing by God’s power! I was particularly impressed by the cases of systemic lupus erythematosus of a doctor, tennis elbow tendonitis of a violinist, and hydrocele of a baby, all of which were healed by prayer. It is delightful to know that Rev. Dr. Jaerock Lee is a pastor of God’s power, and I would like to read all of his written works."</p>
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		<title>By: Elijah</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-44692</link>
		<dc:creator>Elijah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M. Emanuel(21 in 2004, Peru) 



  
 
 
 
 AIDS     
 
M. Emanuel(21 in 2004, Peru)  



21-year-old M. Emanuel suffered from frequent diarrhea for 3 years. The lab test provided a definitive diagnosis of AIDS. He thought he had gotten HIV infection through an affair 7 years before. He got fungal infection in his mouth 3 weeks before Miracle Healing Crusade Peru 2004. 
But his usual diarrhea stopped and he felt lighter after he received Rev. Dr. Jaerock Lee&#039;s prayer during the crusade in Dec. 2004. The lab test showed that his CD4 level increased from 292 to 462. That means significant recovery. 
AIDS is so fatal as to be called the pest of today. When HIV invades a human body, it continues to destroy CD4 immune cells among human cells. Finally extreme immune deficiency causes terrible complication leading to death.
But he experienced a surprise that dying CD4 immune cells in his body recovered considerably through Rev. Dr. Lee&#039;s prayer. So frequent diarrhea stopped and now he can defecate normally.


 http://www.wcdn.org/wcdn_eng/case/case_content.asp?id=36&amp;page=3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M. Emanuel(21 in 2004, Peru) </p>
<p> AIDS     </p>
<p>M. Emanuel(21 in 2004, Peru)  </p>
<p>21-year-old M. Emanuel suffered from frequent diarrhea for 3 years. The lab test provided a definitive diagnosis of AIDS. He thought he had gotten HIV infection through an affair 7 years before. He got fungal infection in his mouth 3 weeks before Miracle Healing Crusade Peru 2004.<br />
But his usual diarrhea stopped and he felt lighter after he received Rev. Dr. Jaerock Lee's prayer during the crusade in Dec. 2004. The lab test showed that his CD4 level increased from 292 to 462. That means significant recovery.<br />
AIDS is so fatal as to be called the pest of today. When HIV invades a human body, it continues to destroy CD4 immune cells among human cells. Finally extreme immune deficiency causes terrible complication leading to death.<br />
But he experienced a surprise that dying CD4 immune cells in his body recovered considerably through Rev. Dr. Lee's prayer. So frequent diarrhea stopped and now he can defecate normally.</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.wcdn.org/wcdn_eng/case/case_content.asp?id=36&amp;page=3" rel="nofollow">http://www.wcdn.org/wcdn_eng/case/case_content.asp?id=36&amp;page=3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim H</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-28190</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe &quot;non-profits&quot; are not subject to the same truth in advertising rules that for-profit companies are. That&#039;s why political campaigns are &quot;non-profits&quot;. Can anyone confirm this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe "non-profits" are not subject to the same truth in advertising rules that for-profit companies are. That's why political campaigns are "non-profits". Can anyone confirm this?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff T.</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-6821</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to John&#039;s post dated 10/7/06:

The dead do not return to life and any such claim otherwise should be highly suspect.  For you to state that she was dead and returned to life with such such absolutism demonstrates the flawed reasoning that is so widespread in religious circles.

Likewise, your claims that millions of people have had their lives changed through Christ would require personal knowledge on your part that this was indeed true. I highly doubt that you have personal knowledge of so many individuals.

Any claim can be made---try making claims that are subject to testing using known scientific methods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to John's post dated 10/7/06:</p>
<p>The dead do not return to life and any such claim otherwise should be highly suspect.  For you to state that she was dead and returned to life with such such absolutism demonstrates the flawed reasoning that is so widespread in religious circles.</p>
<p>Likewise, your claims that millions of people have had their lives changed through Christ would require personal knowledge on your part that this was indeed true. I highly doubt that you have personal knowledge of so many individuals.</p>
<p>Any claim can be made---try making claims that are subject to testing using known scientific methods.</p>
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		<title>By: Nes</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-6816</link>
		<dc:creator>Nes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 19:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, what happened to my &lt;em&gt; tags?! They showed up in the preview! Sigh, let&#039;s see if I can get the parts I was quoting in &lt;i&amp;gt tags instead:

&lt;i&gt;... including the raising a lady from the dead after she was pronounced dead by those who work in healthcare.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;... millions of people have had their lives changed through Christ,&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;and for the better I might add.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, what happened to my &lt;em&gt; tags?! They showed up in the preview! Sigh, let's see if I can get the parts I was quoting in &lt;i&amp;gt tags instead:</p>
<p><i>... including the raising a lady from the dead after she was pronounced dead by those who work in healthcare.</i></p>
<p><i>... millions of people have had their lives changed through Christ,</i></p>
<p><i>and for the better I might add.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Nes</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-6815</link>
		<dc:creator>Nes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 19:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... including the raising a lady from the dead after she was
pronounced dead by those who work in healthcare.

It&#039;s possible that she was prematurely pronounced dead. There may have still been some brain activity (I assume in most cases they only check for a pulse and breathing) and she was able to recover. God isn&#039;t the only possible explanation. (Nor is it, from my point of view, a likely one.)

... millions of people have had their lives changed through Christ,

I could hardly disagree with this.

and for the better I might add.

This part I would disagree with. Personally, I think they&#039;re wasting their time and money (and for poor people in 3rd world countries, that&#039;s already scarce!). I wouldn&#039;t call that a change for the better. On the other hand, for some people it could act as a catalyst for improvement. If that&#039;s what they need to be a good person, more power to them, as long as they aren&#039;t shoving Jesus down my throat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>... including the raising a lady from the dead after she was<br />
pronounced dead by those who work in healthcare.</p>
<p>It's possible that she was prematurely pronounced dead. There may have still been some brain activity (I assume in most cases they only check for a pulse and breathing) and she was able to recover. God isn't the only possible explanation. (Nor is it, from my point of view, a likely one.)</p>
<p>... millions of people have had their lives changed through Christ,</p>
<p>I could hardly disagree with this.</p>
<p>and for the better I might add.</p>
<p>This part I would disagree with. Personally, I think they're wasting their time and money (and for poor people in 3rd world countries, that's already scarce!). I wouldn't call that a change for the better. On the other hand, for some people it could act as a catalyst for improvement. If that's what they need to be a good person, more power to them, as long as they aren't shoving Jesus down my throat.</p>
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		<title>By: John Paepke</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-6793</link>
		<dc:creator>John Paepke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally am a believer in Jesus Christ and havw witnessed Gods power many
times 0ver 37 years, including the raising a lady from the dead after she was 
pronounced dead by those who work in healthcare.I agree that to much self promoting
is infecting the christian church, but that does not change the fact that millions
of people have had their lives changed through Christ, and for the better I might add. People can say and think what they will, but in the end the Word of God shall
prevail, and Jesus Christ WILL rule and reign.

                                                                John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally am a believer in Jesus Christ and havw witnessed Gods power many<br />
times 0ver 37 years, including the raising a lady from the dead after she was<br />
pronounced dead by those who work in healthcare.I agree that to much self promoting<br />
is infecting the christian church, but that does not change the fact that millions<br />
of people have had their lives changed through Christ, and for the better I might add. People can say and think what they will, but in the end the Word of God shall<br />
prevail, and Jesus Christ WILL rule and reign.</p>
<p>                                                                John</p>
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		<title>By: CaptPorridge</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-6283</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptPorridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for plugging my site Jim!!

Videos of these New York events are on-line at Mr Lee&#039;s site:
http://www.manmin.or.kr/english/

And interestingly, the TV company that produced the videos is the same one that does promo videos for that raping fugitive Messiah, Jeong Myeong Seok.
Small world:
http://www.gcntv.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for plugging my site Jim!!</p>
<p>Videos of these New York events are on-line at Mr Lee's site:<br />
<a href="http://www.manmin.or.kr/english/" rel="nofollow">http://www.manmin.or.kr/english/</a></p>
<p>And interestingly, the TV company that produced the videos is the same one that does promo videos for that raping fugitive Messiah, Jeong Myeong Seok.<br />
Small world:<br />
<a href="http://www.gcntv.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gcntv.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hot Cup of Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-5950</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Cup of Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for pointing out this guy. I had heard of Benny Hinn and Popoff (who now has a show on BET I believe) and now I can add Jaerock Lee to my list of nutbars to keep an eye out for in my city. I&#039;ve been waiting for such a &quot;revival&quot; to show up so I can write letters to editors as a tool to increase public awareness. 

I think that con artists like these exist because there are so many who are simply credulous and cannot accept rational explanations and perspectives in certain situations of their lives. Certainly, at least &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; commenter here has demonstrated that, and I read with great enthusiasm yours and other replies to him. I hope he continues to visit skeptical and atheist sites in his quest for &quot;human longevity.&quot; Perhaps he has a new-found interest in debating the rational vs. irrational, though my instinct tells me he will simply put rational responses to his rant above out of mind since they are disagreeable. 

Kudos on a great post, I&#039;ve added Daylight Atheism to my bookmarks to visit again!

Carl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for pointing out this guy. I had heard of Benny Hinn and Popoff (who now has a show on BET I believe) and now I can add Jaerock Lee to my list of nutbars to keep an eye out for in my city. I've been waiting for such a "revival" to show up so I can write letters to editors as a tool to increase public awareness. </p>
<p>I think that con artists like these exist because there are so many who are simply credulous and cannot accept rational explanations and perspectives in certain situations of their lives. Certainly, at least <i>one</i> commenter here has demonstrated that, and I read with great enthusiasm yours and other replies to him. I hope he continues to visit skeptical and atheist sites in his quest for "human longevity." Perhaps he has a new-found interest in debating the rational vs. irrational, though my instinct tells me he will simply put rational responses to his rant above out of mind since they are disagreeable. </p>
<p>Kudos on a great post, I've added Daylight Atheism to my bookmarks to visit again!</p>
<p>Carl</p>
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		<title>By: Prup (aka Jim Benton)</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-5948</link>
		<dc:creator>Prup (aka Jim Benton)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Jaerock is a faith healer strikes me as the least interesting thing about him.  (A little research would have pointed you to his &#039;interesting&#039; theory of the connection between UFOs and the children of Adam and Eve that were conceived &#039;before the fall,&#039; and whose descendants still occupy &quot;Edenian Space.&quot; Not to mention that Dragons were the beloved of God before Lucifer apparently corrupted them too.)

But what I wish someone would investigate is this.  He is one of a series of &quot;New Messiahs&quot; that the Korean culture seems to be spawning.  Jeong Myong Seok would be another, and the granddaddy of them all, Sun Myung Moon.  But I&#039;d argue that Kim Il Soong and Kim Jung Il are much the same, only rather than using Christianity as a base, they use Marxism.  In each case Korean society seems particularly vulnerable to this type of &quot;Cult of Personality&quot; far more than other cultures, and I am wondering why.

Btw, along with the Rick Ross Institute, one of the more interesting sites on such cults is http://falsemessiah.proboards23.com/index.cgi which specializes in JMS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Jaerock is a faith healer strikes me as the least interesting thing about him.  (A little research would have pointed you to his 'interesting' theory of the connection between UFOs and the children of Adam and Eve that were conceived 'before the fall,' and whose descendants still occupy "Edenian Space." Not to mention that Dragons were the beloved of God before Lucifer apparently corrupted them too.)</p>
<p>But what I wish someone would investigate is this.  He is one of a series of "New Messiahs" that the Korean culture seems to be spawning.  Jeong Myong Seok would be another, and the granddaddy of them all, Sun Myung Moon.  But I'd argue that Kim Il Soong and Kim Jung Il are much the same, only rather than using Christianity as a base, they use Marxism.  In each case Korean society seems particularly vulnerable to this type of "Cult of Personality" far more than other cultures, and I am wondering why.</p>
<p>Btw, along with the Rick Ross Institute, one of the more interesting sites on such cults is <a href="http://falsemessiah.proboards23.com/index.cgi" rel="nofollow">http://falsemessiah.proboards23.com/index.cgi</a> which specializes in JMS.</p>
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