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	<title>Comments on: A Call for Truth in Advertising Laws</title>
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		<title>By: Jim H</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-28190</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe "non-profits" are not subject to the same truth in advertising rules that for-profit companies are. That's why political campaigns are "non-profits". Can anyone confirm this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe "non-profits" are not subject to the same truth in advertising rules that for-profit companies are. That's why political campaigns are "non-profits". Can anyone confirm this?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff T.</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-6821</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to John's post dated 10/7/06:

The dead do not return to life and any such claim otherwise should be highly suspect.  For you to state that she was dead and returned to life with such such absolutism demonstrates the flawed reasoning that is so widespread in religious circles.

Likewise, your claims that millions of people have had their lives changed through Christ would require personal knowledge on your part that this was indeed true. I highly doubt that you have personal knowledge of so many individuals.

Any claim can be made---try making claims that are subject to testing using known scientific methods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to John's post dated 10/7/06:</p>
<p>The dead do not return to life and any such claim otherwise should be highly suspect.  For you to state that she was dead and returned to life with such such absolutism demonstrates the flawed reasoning that is so widespread in religious circles.</p>
<p>Likewise, your claims that millions of people have had their lives changed through Christ would require personal knowledge on your part that this was indeed true. I highly doubt that you have personal knowledge of so many individuals.</p>
<p>Any claim can be made---try making claims that are subject to testing using known scientific methods.</p>
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		<title>By: Nes</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-6816</link>
		<dc:creator>Nes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 19:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, what happened to my &#60;em&#62; tags?! They showed up in the preview! Sigh, let's see if I can get the parts I was quoting in &#60;i&#38;gt tags instead:

&lt;i&gt;... including the raising a lady from the dead after she was pronounced dead by those who work in healthcare.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;... millions of people have had their lives changed through Christ,&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;and for the better I might add.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, what happened to my &lt;em&gt; tags?! They showed up in the preview! Sigh, let's see if I can get the parts I was quoting in &lt;i&amp;gt tags instead:</p>
<p><i>... including the raising a lady from the dead after she was pronounced dead by those who work in healthcare.</i></p>
<p><i>... millions of people have had their lives changed through Christ,</i></p>
<p><i>and for the better I might add.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Nes</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-6815</link>
		<dc:creator>Nes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 19:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... including the raising a lady from the dead after she was
pronounced dead by those who work in healthcare.

It's possible that she was prematurely pronounced dead. There may have still been some brain activity (I assume in most cases they only check for a pulse and breathing) and she was able to recover. God isn't the only possible explanation. (Nor is it, from my point of view, a likely one.)

... millions of people have had their lives changed through Christ,

I could hardly disagree with this.

and for the better I might add.

This part I would disagree with. Personally, I think they're wasting their time and money (and for poor people in 3rd world countries, that's already scarce!). I wouldn't call that a change for the better. On the other hand, for some people it could act as a catalyst for improvement. If that's what they need to be a good person, more power to them, as long as they aren't shoving Jesus down my throat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>... including the raising a lady from the dead after she was<br />
pronounced dead by those who work in healthcare.</p>
<p>It's possible that she was prematurely pronounced dead. There may have still been some brain activity (I assume in most cases they only check for a pulse and breathing) and she was able to recover. God isn't the only possible explanation. (Nor is it, from my point of view, a likely one.)</p>
<p>... millions of people have had their lives changed through Christ,</p>
<p>I could hardly disagree with this.</p>
<p>and for the better I might add.</p>
<p>This part I would disagree with. Personally, I think they're wasting their time and money (and for poor people in 3rd world countries, that's already scarce!). I wouldn't call that a change for the better. On the other hand, for some people it could act as a catalyst for improvement. If that's what they need to be a good person, more power to them, as long as they aren't shoving Jesus down my throat.</p>
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		<title>By: John Paepke</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-6793</link>
		<dc:creator>John Paepke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally am a believer in Jesus Christ and havw witnessed Gods power many
times 0ver 37 years, including the raising a lady from the dead after she was 
pronounced dead by those who work in healthcare.I agree that to much self promoting
is infecting the christian church, but that does not change the fact that millions
of people have had their lives changed through Christ, and for the better I might add. People can say and think what they will, but in the end the Word of God shall
prevail, and Jesus Christ WILL rule and reign.

                                                                John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally am a believer in Jesus Christ and havw witnessed Gods power many<br />
times 0ver 37 years, including the raising a lady from the dead after she was<br />
pronounced dead by those who work in healthcare.I agree that to much self promoting<br />
is infecting the christian church, but that does not change the fact that millions<br />
of people have had their lives changed through Christ, and for the better I might add. People can say and think what they will, but in the end the Word of God shall<br />
prevail, and Jesus Christ WILL rule and reign.</p>
<p>                                                                John</p>
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		<title>By: CaptPorridge</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-6283</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptPorridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for plugging my site Jim!!

Videos of these New York events are on-line at Mr Lee's site:
http://www.manmin.or.kr/english/

And interestingly, the TV company that produced the videos is the same one that does promo videos for that raping fugitive Messiah, Jeong Myeong Seok.
Small world:
http://www.gcntv.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for plugging my site Jim!!</p>
<p>Videos of these New York events are on-line at Mr Lee's site:<br />
<a href="http://www.manmin.or.kr/english/" rel="nofollow">http://www.manmin.or.kr/english/</a></p>
<p>And interestingly, the TV company that produced the videos is the same one that does promo videos for that raping fugitive Messiah, Jeong Myeong Seok.<br />
Small world:<br />
<a href="http://www.gcntv.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gcntv.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hot Cup of Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-5950</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Cup of Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for pointing out this guy. I had heard of Benny Hinn and Popoff (who now has a show on BET I believe) and now I can add Jaerock Lee to my list of nutbars to keep an eye out for in my city. I've been waiting for such a "revival" to show up so I can write letters to editors as a tool to increase public awareness. 

I think that con artists like these exist because there are so many who are simply credulous and cannot accept rational explanations and perspectives in certain situations of their lives. Certainly, at least &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; commenter here has demonstrated that, and I read with great enthusiasm yours and other replies to him. I hope he continues to visit skeptical and atheist sites in his quest for "human longevity." Perhaps he has a new-found interest in debating the rational vs. irrational, though my instinct tells me he will simply put rational responses to his rant above out of mind since they are disagreeable. 

Kudos on a great post, I've added Daylight Atheism to my bookmarks to visit again!

Carl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for pointing out this guy. I had heard of Benny Hinn and Popoff (who now has a show on BET I believe) and now I can add Jaerock Lee to my list of nutbars to keep an eye out for in my city. I've been waiting for such a "revival" to show up so I can write letters to editors as a tool to increase public awareness. </p>
<p>I think that con artists like these exist because there are so many who are simply credulous and cannot accept rational explanations and perspectives in certain situations of their lives. Certainly, at least <i>one</i> commenter here has demonstrated that, and I read with great enthusiasm yours and other replies to him. I hope he continues to visit skeptical and atheist sites in his quest for "human longevity." Perhaps he has a new-found interest in debating the rational vs. irrational, though my instinct tells me he will simply put rational responses to his rant above out of mind since they are disagreeable. </p>
<p>Kudos on a great post, I've added Daylight Atheism to my bookmarks to visit again!</p>
<p>Carl</p>
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		<title>By: Prup (aka Jim Benton)</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-5948</link>
		<dc:creator>Prup (aka Jim Benton)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Jaerock is a faith healer strikes me as the least interesting thing about him.  (A little research would have pointed you to his 'interesting' theory of the connection between UFOs and the children of Adam and Eve that were conceived 'before the fall,' and whose descendants still occupy "Edenian Space." Not to mention that Dragons were the beloved of God before Lucifer apparently corrupted them too.)

But what I wish someone would investigate is this.  He is one of a series of "New Messiahs" that the Korean culture seems to be spawning.  Jeong Myong Seok would be another, and the granddaddy of them all, Sun Myung Moon.  But I'd argue that Kim Il Soong and Kim Jung Il are much the same, only rather than using Christianity as a base, they use Marxism.  In each case Korean society seems particularly vulnerable to this type of "Cult of Personality" far more than other cultures, and I am wondering why.

Btw, along with the Rick Ross Institute, one of the more interesting sites on such cults is http://falsemessiah.proboards23.com/index.cgi which specializes in JMS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Jaerock is a faith healer strikes me as the least interesting thing about him.  (A little research would have pointed you to his 'interesting' theory of the connection between UFOs and the children of Adam and Eve that were conceived 'before the fall,' and whose descendants still occupy "Edenian Space." Not to mention that Dragons were the beloved of God before Lucifer apparently corrupted them too.)</p>
<p>But what I wish someone would investigate is this.  He is one of a series of "New Messiahs" that the Korean culture seems to be spawning.  Jeong Myong Seok would be another, and the granddaddy of them all, Sun Myung Moon.  But I'd argue that Kim Il Soong and Kim Jung Il are much the same, only rather than using Christianity as a base, they use Marxism.  In each case Korean society seems particularly vulnerable to this type of "Cult of Personality" far more than other cultures, and I am wondering why.</p>
<p>Btw, along with the Rick Ross Institute, one of the more interesting sites on such cults is <a href="http://falsemessiah.proboards23.com/index.cgi" rel="nofollow">http://falsemessiah.proboards23.com/index.cgi</a> which specializes in JMS.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-5695</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is a pastor as a witness of Jesus Christ.
He prayed "in the name of Jesus Christ".
God healed people in New York at crusade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is a pastor as a witness of Jesus Christ.<br />
He prayed "in the name of Jesus Christ".<br />
God healed people in New York at crusade.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff T.</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/truth-in-advertising.html#comment-5644</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in my teens, I was a participant in similar revivals and faith-healings.  Emotions would skyrocket and you could feel the sizzling energy of the crowd as we prayed and sang.
The preacher would preach and shout, slap his hands on people who would then fall down backwards.  People would jump up and down on the pews and run up and down the aisles as they spoke in 'other tongues'.
I remember watching the preacher yank a walker from an elderly lady who had a crippled leg. He then slapped her on the head with his palm and she still had the crippled leg, but the walker was not returned to her.
I think that was a pivotal point in my deconversion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in my teens, I was a participant in similar revivals and faith-healings.  Emotions would skyrocket and you could feel the sizzling energy of the crowd as we prayed and sang.<br />
The preacher would preach and shout, slap his hands on people who would then fall down backwards.  People would jump up and down on the pews and run up and down the aisles as they spoke in 'other tongues'.<br />
I remember watching the preacher yank a walker from an elderly lady who had a crippled leg. He then slapped her on the head with his palm and she still had the crippled leg, but the walker was not returned to her.<br />
I think that was a pivotal point in my deconversion.</p>
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