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	<title>Comments on: Popular Delusions IV: Hauntings</title>
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		<title>By: Alex Weaver</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/10/popular-delusions-iv.html#comment-36926</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am at a loss to understand the articles &quot;write-off&quot; concerning the possibility of ghosts. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

A bit late, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; might explain a few things.</description>
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<p>A bit late, but <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis" rel="nofollow">this</a> might explain a few things.</p>
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		<title>By: Nes</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/10/popular-delusions-iv.html#comment-35561</link>
		<dc:creator>Nes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to have left some dead links when I abandoned the old blog.

I should point out that the version of the wiki page I was using is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hypnagogia&amp;oldid=83293050&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;. It seems to have changed substantially since then.

Very briefly, in the link in the first comment I talked about feeling a hand gripping my head and pulling me under the bed (yes, through the roughly 1 inch space between the headboard and mattress...), I then had a dream involving goblins or something, then, as I was waking, I felt the hand shove me back into bed. The other link compared some of the symptoms of a hypnagogic experience with that experience. The one that &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end is this one: &quot;Involuntary movements (sometimes the feeling of &lt;i&gt;sliding&lt;/i&gt; off the bed or even up walls)&quot; [emphasis in original.]

In the link for the second comment I talked about seeing little neon-colored glow-in-the-dark dinosaurs that bit me -- and it hurt!

Both of those events happened roughly 20 years ago and I still remember them pretty clearly.

I was going to respond to Charles, but OMGF had hit most of my points, then after refreshing the page I see that Ebon has stolen the rest. Oh well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to have left some dead links when I abandoned the old blog.</p>
<p>I should point out that the version of the wiki page I was using is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hypnagogia&amp;oldid=83293050" rel="nofollow">this one</a>. It seems to have changed substantially since then.</p>
<p>Very briefly, in the link in the first comment I talked about feeling a hand gripping my head and pulling me under the bed (yes, through the roughly 1 inch space between the headboard and mattress...), I then had a dream involving goblins or something, then, as I was waking, I felt the hand shove me back into bed. The other link compared some of the symptoms of a hypnagogic experience with that experience. The one that <i>still</i> makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end is this one: "Involuntary movements (sometimes the feeling of <i>sliding</i> off the bed or even up walls)" [emphasis in original.]</p>
<p>In the link for the second comment I talked about seeing little neon-colored glow-in-the-dark dinosaurs that bit me -- and it hurt!</p>
<p>Both of those events happened roughly 20 years ago and I still remember them pretty clearly.</p>
<p>I was going to respond to Charles, but OMGF had hit most of my points, then after refreshing the page I see that Ebon has stolen the rest. Oh well!</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/10/popular-delusions-iv.html#comment-35558</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Just because one is an atheist(which never bothered me)I find it hard to believe that you dont have some type of spiritual belief.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Atheists do have a sense of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/spirituality.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;spirituality&lt;/a&gt;. What we do not have is an unevidenced belief in supernatural entities, ghosts, gods or otherwise. Nor do we believe that belief in such entities is necessary to make life meaningful or worth living.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you really think we are just here and then we just die, and you cant even explain what that is about?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We are here and then we die, yes. I don&#039;t understand the second half of your question.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Do Athiests think science explains all things?, hmmm. Is it really that bizarre to an athiest to think we may have something like a soul/aura?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I believe science has the ability to explain all things that can be explained. Belief in a soul or any other supernatural basis for personality is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/ghost.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not supported by evidence&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I want to add that the idea of sleep paralysis/hypnogogic experiences is an antiquated, freudian psychological explanantion which doesnt quite explain the problem.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sleep paralysis is neither &quot;antiquated&quot;, nor Freudian (I don&#039;t even know where you got that one from). It is a well-documented neurological phenomenon which, in concert with ordinary human tendencies to exaggerate and misremember details, I find more than adequate to account for claims of ghostly experiences. You also didn&#039;t mention my article&#039;s discussion of infrasound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,</p>
<blockquote><p>Just because one is an atheist(which never bothered me)I find it hard to believe that you dont have some type of spiritual belief.</p></blockquote>
<p>Atheists do have a sense of <a href="http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/spirituality.html" rel="nofollow">spirituality</a>. What we do not have is an unevidenced belief in supernatural entities, ghosts, gods or otherwise. Nor do we believe that belief in such entities is necessary to make life meaningful or worth living.</p>
<blockquote><p>Do you really think we are just here and then we just die, and you cant even explain what that is about?</p></blockquote>
<p>We are here and then we die, yes. I don't understand the second half of your question.</p>
<blockquote><p>Do Athiests think science explains all things?, hmmm. Is it really that bizarre to an athiest to think we may have something like a soul/aura?</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe science has the ability to explain all things that can be explained. Belief in a soul or any other supernatural basis for personality is <a href="http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/ghost.html" rel="nofollow">not supported by evidence</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>I want to add that the idea of sleep paralysis/hypnogogic experiences is an antiquated, freudian psychological explanantion which doesnt quite explain the problem.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sleep paralysis is neither "antiquated", nor Freudian (I don't even know where you got that one from). It is a well-documented neurological phenomenon which, in concert with ordinary human tendencies to exaggerate and misremember details, I find more than adequate to account for claims of ghostly experiences. You also didn't mention my article's discussion of infrasound.</p>
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		<title>By: OMGF</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/10/popular-delusions-iv.html#comment-35541</link>
		<dc:creator>OMGF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 13:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Harmon,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Just because one is an atheist(which never bothered me)I find it hard to believe that you dont have some type of spiritual belief.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Define spiritual.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you really think we are just here and then we just die, and you cant even explain what that is about?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes.  Can you explain what this is all about?
&lt;blockquote&gt;Do Athiests think science explains all things?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Science explains natural phenomena.  Science is quite good at explaining these things.  Science is the best known way of explaining the world around us.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Is it really that bizarre to an athiest to think we may have something like a soul/aura?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Due to the lack of evidence of souls or aurae, as well as the evidence that points away from such things, yes, it is hard to believe that such things exist.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I am at a loss to understand the articles &quot;write-off&quot; concerning the possibility of ghosts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Without evidence for ghosts, there&#039;s no reason to entertain the notion that they exist.
&lt;blockquote&gt;If athiests dont have some type of spirituality, I have to say, it saddens me. I feel almost sorry for you athiests.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s rather condescending of you.  You think it&#039;s better to believe in a god that doesn&#039;t exist because it somehow makes you feel good, than it is to have a rational, reality-based view of the world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Harmon,</p>
<blockquote><p>Just because one is an atheist(which never bothered me)I find it hard to believe that you dont have some type of spiritual belief.</p></blockquote>
<p>Define spiritual.</p>
<blockquote><p>Do you really think we are just here and then we just die, and you cant even explain what that is about?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.  Can you explain what this is all about?</p>
<blockquote><p>Do Athiests think science explains all things?</p></blockquote>
<p>Science explains natural phenomena.  Science is quite good at explaining these things.  Science is the best known way of explaining the world around us.</p>
<blockquote><p>Is it really that bizarre to an athiest to think we may have something like a soul/aura?</p></blockquote>
<p>Due to the lack of evidence of souls or aurae, as well as the evidence that points away from such things, yes, it is hard to believe that such things exist.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am at a loss to understand the articles "write-off" concerning the possibility of ghosts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Without evidence for ghosts, there's no reason to entertain the notion that they exist.</p>
<blockquote><p>If athiests dont have some type of spirituality, I have to say, it saddens me. I feel almost sorry for you athiests.</p></blockquote>
<p>That's rather condescending of you.  You think it's better to believe in a god that doesn't exist because it somehow makes you feel good, than it is to have a rational, reality-based view of the world?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles William Gordon Harmon</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/10/popular-delusions-iv.html#comment-35536</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles William Gordon Harmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to add that the idea of sleep paralysis/hypnogogic experiences is an antiquated, freudian psychological explanantion which doesnt quite explain the problem. I suggest you read two books, the first is: &quot;The terror that comes in the night&quot; by David J. Hufford(univ.of Penn.press), the second is: &quot;Thirty years among the dead&quot; by Dr.Carl A. Wickland,MD.(Health Research books,WA.99347). These are two thoroughly researched and well written books which may enlighten those who dismiss certain para-normal experiences as &quot;sleep paralysis&quot; likely due to these experiences cause the person was in a bed. I find the hynogogic explanations absurd. I suggest that the atheist whom wrote the article should try to find a first-person to interview instaed of heresay lumping of &quot;ghost stories&quot; to fit with their non-believer agenda. Wow... I almost sound like some kind of christian zealot. I am nothing at all like a religious zealot..or even person. I am politically a Socialist, member of the Green party, and I never go to church or even pray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to add that the idea of sleep paralysis/hypnogogic experiences is an antiquated, freudian psychological explanantion which doesnt quite explain the problem. I suggest you read two books, the first is: "The terror that comes in the night" by David J. Hufford(univ.of Penn.press), the second is: "Thirty years among the dead" by Dr.Carl A. Wickland,MD.(Health Research books,WA.99347). These are two thoroughly researched and well written books which may enlighten those who dismiss certain para-normal experiences as "sleep paralysis" likely due to these experiences cause the person was in a bed. I find the hynogogic explanations absurd. I suggest that the atheist whom wrote the article should try to find a first-person to interview instaed of heresay lumping of "ghost stories" to fit with their non-believer agenda. Wow... I almost sound like some kind of christian zealot. I am nothing at all like a religious zealot..or even person. I am politically a Socialist, member of the Green party, and I never go to church or even pray.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles William Gordon Harmon</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/10/popular-delusions-iv.html#comment-35535</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles William Gordon Harmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelievable, I mean to say, I am not a religious churchgoer though I was born and baptised an Episcopal. Just because one is an atheist(which never bothered me)I find it hard to believe that you dont have some type of spiritual belief. Do you really think we are just here and then we just die, and you cant even explain what that is about?. Do Athiests think science explains all things?, hmmm. Is it really that bizarre to an athiest to think we may have something like a soul/aura?. I am at a loss to understand the articles &quot;write-off&quot; concerning the possibility of ghosts. If athiests dont have some type of spirituality, I have to say, it saddens me. I feel almost sorry for you athiests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable, I mean to say, I am not a religious churchgoer though I was born and baptised an Episcopal. Just because one is an atheist(which never bothered me)I find it hard to believe that you dont have some type of spiritual belief. Do you really think we are just here and then we just die, and you cant even explain what that is about?. Do Athiests think science explains all things?, hmmm. Is it really that bizarre to an athiest to think we may have something like a soul/aura?. I am at a loss to understand the articles "write-off" concerning the possibility of ghosts. If athiests dont have some type of spirituality, I have to say, it saddens me. I feel almost sorry for you athiests.</p>
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		<title>By: Doy</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/10/popular-delusions-iv.html#comment-33480</link>
		<dc:creator>Doy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once dreamed I was sleeping and then woke up to a terrible world. My real wakening was so soft I still believed in the dream when I really woke up. But after a short time I discovered the real real world again. It&#039;s kind of scary when it is almost totally dark and it takes a long time to find out where you really are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once dreamed I was sleeping and then woke up to a terrible world. My real wakening was so soft I still believed in the dream when I really woke up. But after a short time I discovered the real real world again. It's kind of scary when it is almost totally dark and it takes a long time to find out where you really are.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Speiser</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/10/popular-delusions-iv.html#comment-27878</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Speiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypnogogic experiences tend to be more numerous in early childhood.  Here&#039;s a wierd one for ya:  I vividly remember being about four years old, asleep in my bed one night.  There was this floor lamp next to the head of my bed.  It was kind of old-fashioned, looked like it was from the 1930&#039;s, dark green, with gold fleur-de-lis at the top.  I awoke in the middle of the night, to catch my lamp at the FOOT of my bed; it then immediately sprouted &quot;cartoon feet&quot; and dashed back to the head of my bed where it belonged, as if I had &quot;surprised it&quot; by waking up suddenly.

Now comes the wierd part. (!) Decades later, my wife began to describe the exact same thing happening to her: a floor lamp dashed back to its proper place in her bedroom when she was very young.  I asked her to describe the lamp.  It sounded the same in every aspect.  

Submitted for its anecdotal value only.  Happy Halloween.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypnogogic experiences tend to be more numerous in early childhood.  Here's a wierd one for ya:  I vividly remember being about four years old, asleep in my bed one night.  There was this floor lamp next to the head of my bed.  It was kind of old-fashioned, looked like it was from the 1930's, dark green, with gold fleur-de-lis at the top.  I awoke in the middle of the night, to catch my lamp at the FOOT of my bed; it then immediately sprouted "cartoon feet" and dashed back to the head of my bed where it belonged, as if I had "surprised it" by waking up suddenly.</p>
<p>Now comes the wierd part. (!) Decades later, my wife began to describe the exact same thing happening to her: a floor lamp dashed back to its proper place in her bedroom when she was very young.  I asked her to describe the lamp.  It sounded the same in every aspect.  </p>
<p>Submitted for its anecdotal value only.  Happy Halloween.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve experienced sleep paralysis a long as I can remember. but only just three or four times a year. I have this dream where I am running and the air turns to syrup. I lean so far forward into the air to keep running and grip the ground with my fingers to keep making progress while everything behind me becomes dark and everything in front becomes light. I then understand that I am awake and immobile and I feel like I am floating. soon I stir and throw off the blankets and fall asleep again.

I also have regular hypnogogic experiences, at least twice a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've experienced sleep paralysis a long as I can remember. but only just three or four times a year. I have this dream where I am running and the air turns to syrup. I lean so far forward into the air to keep running and grip the ground with my fingers to keep making progress while everything behind me becomes dark and everything in front becomes light. I then understand that I am awake and immobile and I feel like I am floating. soon I stir and throw off the blankets and fall asleep again.</p>
<p>I also have regular hypnogogic experiences, at least twice a week.</p>
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		<title>By: Sceptic-Swede</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sceptic-Swede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that ghosts cant be explained by the laws of physics is truly a strong point. Whenever iwe discussed this with ghostbelievers they explain it with the &quot;supernatural&quot; aspect of ghosts. However, if this actually is the case, then it wouldnt explain how ghosts are being able to manifest themselves in our &quot;natural&quot; world. There must be some aspect of a ghost that is &quot;natural&quot; otherwise we woldnt be able to se it or feel it. And that aspect should, if ghosts really exists, be possible to measure and explain. This is the same reason why i found ghosthunters to be so amusing. They claim that they are going after a supernatural being, but they are using cameras,microphones, nightvisiondevices (All very natural equipment)etc,etc, to do this.If they where serious with this, they would have to admitt that ghosts are a thing of nature, and that it can be measured and classified. And also, to draw the conclusion that there probably is no such things as ghosts, when they for the thousend time or so, fails to actually catch a ghost.Not instantly explaing the lack of evidence as something attributed to the &quot;supernatural&quot; nature of ghosts. In this sence, i can actually more understand someone who is going after ghosts with holywater, garlic and crucifixes.They have clearly left every ambition to explain anything in the terms of natural science, and have completely entered the area of religion/superstition, where ghosts belong.(By the way, i love ghosts stories.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that ghosts cant be explained by the laws of physics is truly a strong point. Whenever iwe discussed this with ghostbelievers they explain it with the "supernatural" aspect of ghosts. However, if this actually is the case, then it wouldnt explain how ghosts are being able to manifest themselves in our "natural" world. There must be some aspect of a ghost that is "natural" otherwise we woldnt be able to se it or feel it. And that aspect should, if ghosts really exists, be possible to measure and explain. This is the same reason why i found ghosthunters to be so amusing. They claim that they are going after a supernatural being, but they are using cameras,microphones, nightvisiondevices (All very natural equipment)etc,etc, to do this.If they where serious with this, they would have to admitt that ghosts are a thing of nature, and that it can be measured and classified. And also, to draw the conclusion that there probably is no such things as ghosts, when they for the thousend time or so, fails to actually catch a ghost.Not instantly explaing the lack of evidence as something attributed to the "supernatural" nature of ghosts. In this sence, i can actually more understand someone who is going after ghosts with holywater, garlic and crucifixes.They have clearly left every ambition to explain anything in the terms of natural science, and have completely entered the area of religion/superstition, where ghosts belong.(By the way, i love ghosts stories.)</p>
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		<title>By: Gimodon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gimodon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 02:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey one other problem Ive thought of about ghosts is if they can walk through solid objects why dont they fall through the ground?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey one other problem Ive thought of about ghosts is if they can walk through solid objects why dont they fall through the ground?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Pregadio</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/10/popular-delusions-iv.html#comment-9079</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Pregadio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 07:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ebonmuse, you’re article’s been challenged at oppositegeorge.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ebonmuse, you’re article’s been challenged at oppositegeorge.com.</p>
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