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		<title>By: silentsanta</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/10/the-new-atheists-fight-back.html#comment-36147</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 08:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John Beeler:

Ebonmuse didn&#039;t suggest that racism and sexism have disappeared, he said they have &#039;withered&#039;.  Assuredly, this has occurred in some places more than others.  But look- we now have a vocabulary with which to discuss racism and sexism (which was not always available), racism and sexism are discussed and examined in public schools, and with each subsequent generation there seems to be increasing distaste for racism and sexism, both institutionalized and otherwise.</description>
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<p>Ebonmuse didn't suggest that racism and sexism have disappeared, he said they have 'withered'.  Assuredly, this has occurred in some places more than others.  But look- we now have a vocabulary with which to discuss racism and sexism (which was not always available), racism and sexism are discussed and examined in public schools, and with each subsequent generation there seems to be increasing distaste for racism and sexism, both institutionalized and otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: john beeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>john beeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 05:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and you don&#039;t live in Baltimore.</description>
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		<title>By: john beeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>john beeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 05:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Other once widely held beliefs, such as racism and sexism, have withered within the space of a single lifetime.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What alternate dimension are you living in? Please let us know the gate address, because I&#039;d love to be in a dimension where racism and sexism a) have - heh - &quot;withered,&quot; and b) did so in &quot;the space of a single lifetime.&quot;

ps. you&#039;re white and male right.? even the lam-o No Child Left Behind textbooks give more historical accuracy than the complete misstatement you just made. go read them (or better, good historical writing), then let&#039;s talk about belief.</description>
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<p>What alternate dimension are you living in? Please let us know the gate address, because I'd love to be in a dimension where racism and sexism a) have - heh - "withered," and b) did so in "the space of a single lifetime."</p>
<p>ps. you're white and male right.? even the lam-o No Child Left Behind textbooks give more historical accuracy than the complete misstatement you just made. go read them (or better, good historical writing), then let's talk about belief.</p>
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		<title>By: Infophile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Here&#039;s a quick Altavista on Roonie&#039;s comment, for those who don&#039;t speak German. Sorry for the Giant Block of Text problem; Altavista doesn&#039;t preserve line breaks for some stupid reason.&lt;/i&gt;

Why one may not criticize the churches any longer churches the grauenhafteste crimes against the humanity to have committed and still commit. In Christian educating homes and today in (allegedly) saekularen educating homes, where children were tortured and around it thereby one will break the against-natural illusion, the corrupt spare world, which knows mystische feeling in funnels to them. Grauenhafteste crime of the church and lies without end. The church instigated to Genoziden, which destroyed systematically whole peoples with. The worst mass murderers, inclusive Stalin (seminar for priests in Tbilsi) and Hitler Benediktinerstift), were educated like a Christian. Into Christian educating homes 20 still became in. Century greyful punished and tortured and again and again also sexually abused by women and by men those for their part however married were, therefore it cannot have been the Zoelibat!!!! It was the Christian Sexualmoral it to such criminals become let, these until today was not punished, the victims became and to become from the Christian statesmen (democratically selected!!!!!!!!!) intimidated and also of the church. One threatens them the fact that, if they keep, are instructed them not quiet into psychiatric hospitals and is incapacitated. The child violaters of the church live today partially in the Vatikan. After a BBC transmission from October 2006 the church resists with all means where always clearing-up takes place. The church is simultaneous against each form of Sexualaufklaerung!! Why only? Humans those sexually free and healthy are have neither Mystizismus necessarily, nor otherwise any criminals corruption against the spirit. Children, who are enlightened for the body over sexualitaet and are not ashamed whether, have neither the artificial mystische spare world necessarily, nor is them authority-addicted or obrigkeitshoerig. Such children are not to be used by the today&#039;s make-having criminal organization. Brain lot rumjammern, television looking and believes, that is the task of the mass along-suffers. And each mark if somewhat happens strengthens one the side of the repressive eliminators of the Christian fascists. And it passes ever more. Took legislation off in the 80 90&#039;s sexual force under a liberal, then today the sexual force under more repression and Sexhysterie increases!! That is intention. The more miserablly it the masses goes, the more force and illusion it gives, the more strongly flows the masses to a welfare-promising illusion and strengthens the illusion, the Mystizismus and the corruption, which get ever more rights and are ever more badly controllable. Since the people have immediately religious feelings, &quot;to be hurt&quot;, there may be no more criticism, at the most ridiculous, nothing-stating criticism, where the masses can amuse themselves and in reality the Christian authority one laugh themselves. But there is artificially instilled feelings, those instead of the natural sexualitaet into the body to be forced!!!! With systematic tenderness withdrawal in the earliest childhood, and with total outer-each other-hold from girls and boys to them young persons are. The Zwaengereien of the paedagogues, the &quot;ideals education&quot; of the moral leads only to force and sexual force. Infants and children cannot resist at them the committed of spirit corruption and spirit violating. Hitler worked together with the church, Hitler by the catholic church substantial was supported. The chamber gentleman of the Pope was also temporarily a Hitler&#039;s deputy party chief: &quot;of Papen&quot;. Hitler closed the first convention with the Vatikan, the realm concordat of 1933. Hitler was protected and supported by the catholic judges and politicians. Denomination lots, laily thinking humans were killed numerously by the Nazis. Church loyalty Vasallen by no means. Konrad Adenauer was to time of Hitler, mayor of Cologne and supported the church where it only could and congratulated to the Mussolini with its seizure of power in Italy by the church was supported and before Hitler took place. Pavelic and Franco were both friends of the catholic church!! All dictators oriented towards the right were done very to the church. Ngo Diem was trained in a catholic monastery and was layman brother of the catholic church and constructed in south Viet Nam concentration camp. His brother the archbishop of Hue supports it with all the crimes. The Inquisition, the Reconquista, the Conquista, the crusades, which were heath destruction crimes only by the churches were committed, of nobody otherwise. The systematic destruction of all cultures except the Christian and Islamic was and is a Christian goal. Would the Christians have killed also only one word there over the Tibet to lose if it the Tibeter?? Wherever the churches crimes committed denial it these and with them the christglaeubigen journalists, editors and medium-creative and Honoritaeten. What are for humans?? Criminals sinds and further crimes make them possible!!!! At the same time these of are not ashamed to point to others and to accuse this any crimes, even if they must invent which!!!! Today the Mystizismus arises again, from all sides promoted, at the same time takes place a continuous rushing campaign against all sexual desire-affirming. That Swiss televisions makes continuously mystische advertisement shows mystische films and series and Christian horror films around the youth and the adults to work on so correctly!! At the same time the television rushes continuously against all sexual one. Against the young person sexualitaet. The childlike sexualitaet is denied and where it occurs nevertheless locks up one the children, &quot;to its protection&quot;. From this &quot;protected&quot; children become late force author and authority-addicted. More enormously and child violaters come always from sexually repressive parents&#039; houses, this are scientifically proven, usually come of them from a religious parents&#039; house. Which crimes weren&#039;t committed on this planet by Christians?? Few sinds. Why one may not criticize the churches thus any longer. Because it it not borne and because they are in power. Criminals at power do not hear gladly that they are criminals. The Christians are liars and criminals. How long this dirt luggage at power one waits. On which continents didn&#039;t the Christians commit crimes?? On all continents the Christians committed crimes. The worm of the sin is prevented the only conscience of the Christian and it that humans can develop a natural conscience. The worm of the sin feeds itself of that, by the mystische moral criminally made, sexual acts of the child and young person to it enough largely is over also murder and robbery to be committed. Robbery on whole continents. Murder at millions of humans!!!!!!!!!!!!! The same conscience has the Christian lie historian and politician. A against-natural conscience, which first the nature of humans corrupted over it then the obrigkeitliche of religious corruption anzugewoehnen. By the way to church and war the church was never against war, it wanted the war, promoted the war. A small war, a large business. And to preach: The lecture did not agree ever with the true intentions of the churches. But it sounds beautifully. The church is probably the only institution not on their acts based separates on their lecture is based. Ever more is forbidden in the interest of by church and seed, which must stop. Atheiten combines you and fights. Liberty, equality, fraternity realization of the reality</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Here's a quick Altavista on Roonie's comment, for those who don't speak German. Sorry for the Giant Block of Text problem; Altavista doesn't preserve line breaks for some stupid reason.</i></p>
<p>Why one may not criticize the churches any longer churches the grauenhafteste crimes against the humanity to have committed and still commit. In Christian educating homes and today in (allegedly) saekularen educating homes, where children were tortured and around it thereby one will break the against-natural illusion, the corrupt spare world, which knows mystische feeling in funnels to them. Grauenhafteste crime of the church and lies without end. The church instigated to Genoziden, which destroyed systematically whole peoples with. The worst mass murderers, inclusive Stalin (seminar for priests in Tbilsi) and Hitler Benediktinerstift), were educated like a Christian. Into Christian educating homes 20 still became in. Century greyful punished and tortured and again and again also sexually abused by women and by men those for their part however married were, therefore it cannot have been the Zoelibat!!!! It was the Christian Sexualmoral it to such criminals become let, these until today was not punished, the victims became and to become from the Christian statesmen (democratically selected!!!!!!!!!) intimidated and also of the church. One threatens them the fact that, if they keep, are instructed them not quiet into psychiatric hospitals and is incapacitated. The child violaters of the church live today partially in the Vatikan. After a BBC transmission from October 2006 the church resists with all means where always clearing-up takes place. The church is simultaneous against each form of Sexualaufklaerung!! Why only? Humans those sexually free and healthy are have neither Mystizismus necessarily, nor otherwise any criminals corruption against the spirit. Children, who are enlightened for the body over sexualitaet and are not ashamed whether, have neither the artificial mystische spare world necessarily, nor is them authority-addicted or obrigkeitshoerig. Such children are not to be used by the today's make-having criminal organization. Brain lot rumjammern, television looking and believes, that is the task of the mass along-suffers. And each mark if somewhat happens strengthens one the side of the repressive eliminators of the Christian fascists. And it passes ever more. Took legislation off in the 80 90's sexual force under a liberal, then today the sexual force under more repression and Sexhysterie increases!! That is intention. The more miserablly it the masses goes, the more force and illusion it gives, the more strongly flows the masses to a welfare-promising illusion and strengthens the illusion, the Mystizismus and the corruption, which get ever more rights and are ever more badly controllable. Since the people have immediately religious feelings, "to be hurt", there may be no more criticism, at the most ridiculous, nothing-stating criticism, where the masses can amuse themselves and in reality the Christian authority one laugh themselves. But there is artificially instilled feelings, those instead of the natural sexualitaet into the body to be forced!!!! With systematic tenderness withdrawal in the earliest childhood, and with total outer-each other-hold from girls and boys to them young persons are. The Zwaengereien of the paedagogues, the "ideals education" of the moral leads only to force and sexual force. Infants and children cannot resist at them the committed of spirit corruption and spirit violating. Hitler worked together with the church, Hitler by the catholic church substantial was supported. The chamber gentleman of the Pope was also temporarily a Hitler's deputy party chief: "of Papen". Hitler closed the first convention with the Vatikan, the realm concordat of 1933. Hitler was protected and supported by the catholic judges and politicians. Denomination lots, laily thinking humans were killed numerously by the Nazis. Church loyalty Vasallen by no means. Konrad Adenauer was to time of Hitler, mayor of Cologne and supported the church where it only could and congratulated to the Mussolini with its seizure of power in Italy by the church was supported and before Hitler took place. Pavelic and Franco were both friends of the catholic church!! All dictators oriented towards the right were done very to the church. Ngo Diem was trained in a catholic monastery and was layman brother of the catholic church and constructed in south Viet Nam concentration camp. His brother the archbishop of Hue supports it with all the crimes. The Inquisition, the Reconquista, the Conquista, the crusades, which were heath destruction crimes only by the churches were committed, of nobody otherwise. The systematic destruction of all cultures except the Christian and Islamic was and is a Christian goal. Would the Christians have killed also only one word there over the Tibet to lose if it the Tibeter?? Wherever the churches crimes committed denial it these and with them the christglaeubigen journalists, editors and medium-creative and Honoritaeten. What are for humans?? Criminals sinds and further crimes make them possible!!!! At the same time these of are not ashamed to point to others and to accuse this any crimes, even if they must invent which!!!! Today the Mystizismus arises again, from all sides promoted, at the same time takes place a continuous rushing campaign against all sexual desire-affirming. That Swiss televisions makes continuously mystische advertisement shows mystische films and series and Christian horror films around the youth and the adults to work on so correctly!! At the same time the television rushes continuously against all sexual one. Against the young person sexualitaet. The childlike sexualitaet is denied and where it occurs nevertheless locks up one the children, "to its protection". From this "protected" children become late force author and authority-addicted. More enormously and child violaters come always from sexually repressive parents' houses, this are scientifically proven, usually come of them from a religious parents' house. Which crimes weren't committed on this planet by Christians?? Few sinds. Why one may not criticize the churches thus any longer. Because it it not borne and because they are in power. Criminals at power do not hear gladly that they are criminals. The Christians are liars and criminals. How long this dirt luggage at power one waits. On which continents didn't the Christians commit crimes?? On all continents the Christians committed crimes. The worm of the sin is prevented the only conscience of the Christian and it that humans can develop a natural conscience. The worm of the sin feeds itself of that, by the mystische moral criminally made, sexual acts of the child and young person to it enough largely is over also murder and robbery to be committed. Robbery on whole continents. Murder at millions of humans!!!!!!!!!!!!! The same conscience has the Christian lie historian and politician. A against-natural conscience, which first the nature of humans corrupted over it then the obrigkeitliche of religious corruption anzugewoehnen. By the way to church and war the church was never against war, it wanted the war, promoted the war. A small war, a large business. And to preach: The lecture did not agree ever with the true intentions of the churches. But it sounds beautifully. The church is probably the only institution not on their acts based separates on their lecture is based. Ever more is forbidden in the interest of by church and seed, which must stop. Atheiten combines you and fights. Liberty, equality, fraternity realization of the reality</p>
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		<title>By: Roonie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an Atheist of Germany. Because there is now a lot of Censorship i have my say here

Warum darf man die Kirchen nicht mehr kritisieren
Kirchen die grauenhafteste Verbrechen gegen die Menschlichkeit begangen haben und immer noch begehen. In christlichen Erziehungsheimen und heute in den (angeblich) säkularen Erziehungsheimen, wo Kinder gefoltert wurden und werden um sie zu brechen damit man ihnen den widernatürlichen Wahn, die korrupte Ersatzwelt, das mystische Empfinden eintrichtern kann.
Grauenhafteste Verbrechen der Kirche und Lügen ohne Ende.
Die Kirche die zu Genoziden aufgehetzt hat, die systematisch ganze Völker mit vernichtet hat. Die schlimmsten Massenmörder, inklusive Stalin (Priesterseminar in Tbilsi) und Hitler Benediktinerstift), wurden christlich erzogen.
In christlichen Erziehungsheime wurden noch im 20. Jahrhundert grauenhaft gezüchtigt und gefoltert und immer wieder auch sexuell missbraucht von Frauen und von Männern die ihrerseits aber verheiratet waren, also kann es nicht das Zölibat gewesen sein!!!!
Es war die christliche Sexualmoral die sie selbst zu solchen Verbrechern hat werden lassen, diese wurden bis heute nicht bestraft, die Opfer wurden und werden von den christlichen Staatsmännern (demokratisch gewählt!!!!!!!!!) eingeschüchtert und auch von der Kirche. Man droht ihnen dass, wenn sie nicht still halten, sie in psychiatrische Kliniken eingewiesen werden und entmündigt werden.
Die Kinderschänder der Kirche leben heute zum Teil im Vatikan.
Nach einer BBC Sendung vom Oktober 2006
Die Kirche wehrt sich mit allen Mitteln wo immer Aufklärung stattfindet.
Gleichzeitig ist die Kirche gegen jede Form von Sexualaufklärung!! Warum bloss?
Menschen die sexuell frei und gesund sind haben weder Mystizismus nötig, noch sonst irgendeine Verbrecher Korruption gegen den Geist. Kinder, die über Sexualität aufgeklärt sind und sich nicht ob dem Körper schämen, haben weder die künstliche mystische Ersatzwelt nötig, noch sind sie autoritätssüchtig oder obrigkeitshörig.
Solche Kinder sind von der heutigen machthabenden Verbrecherbande nicht zu gebrauchen.
Hirnlos rumjammern, mitleiden, Fernsehschauen und glauben, das ist die Aufgabe der Masse.
Und jedes Mal wenn etwas geschieht stärkt man die Seite der repressiven Unterdrücker der Christ- Faschisten. Und es passiert immer mehr.
Nahmen in den 80- 90er Jahren sexuelle Gewalt ab unter einer liberalen Gesetzgebung, so nimmt heute die sexuelle Gewalt unter mehr Repression und Sexhysterie zu!!
Das ist Absicht.
Je elender es den Massen geht, je mehr Gewalt und Wahn es gibt, desto stärker strömen die Massen hin zu einem heilsversprechenden Wahn und stärken den Wahn, den Mystizismus und die Korruption, die immer mehr Rechte bekommt und immer schlechter kontrollierbar ist. Da die Leute sofort religiöse Gefühle haben, „die verletzt werden“, darf es keine Kritik mehr geben, höchstens lächerliche, nichtsaussagende Kritik, wo sich die Massen belustigen können und in Wirklichkeit sich die christliche Obrigkeit eins lacht. Aber es sind künstlich anerzogene Gefühle, die anstatt der natürlichen Sexualität in den Körper gezwungen werden!!!! Mit systematischem Zärtlichkeitsentzug in der frühesten Kindheit, und mit totalem ausseinanderhalten von Mädchen und Jungen bis sie Jugendlich sind.
Die Zwängereien der Pädagogen, der „Ideal Erziehung“ der Moral führen erst zu Gewalt und sexueller Gewalt. Kleinkinder und Kinder können sich gegen die an ihnen begangene Geistes Korruption und Geistesschändung nicht wehren.

Hitler arbeitete zusammen mit der Kirche, Hitler wurde von der katholischen Kirche massiv gestützt. Der Kammerherr des Papstes war auch zeitweilig Hitlers stellvertretender Parteichef: „von Papen“.
Hitler schloss den ersten Staatsvertrag mit dem Vatikan, das Reichskonkordat von 1933.
Hitler wurde von den katholischen Richtern und Politikern geschützt und gestützt.
Konfessionslose, weltlich denkende Menschen wurden zahlreich von den Nazis umgebracht. Kirchentreue Vasallen keineswegs.
Konrad Adenauer war zurzeit von Hitler, Bürgermeister von Köln und unterstützte die Kirche wo er nur konnte und gratulierte dem Mussolini bei seiner Machtübernahme in Italien die von der Kirche gestützt war und vor Hitler stattfand. Pavelic und Franco waren beide Freunde der katholischen Kirche!! Alle rechtsgerichteten Diktatoren waren sehr der Kirche angetan. Ngo- Diem wurde in einem katholischen Kloster ausgebildet und war Laienbruder der katholischen Kirche und baute in Südvietnam Konzentrationslager auf.
Sein Bruder der Erzbischof von Hue unterstütze ihn bei all den Verbrechen.

Die Inquisition, die Reconquista, die Conquista, die Kreuzzüge, die Heidenvernichtung waren Verbrechen die nur von den Kirchen begangen wurden, von niemandem sonst.
Die systematische Vernichtung aller Kulturen ausser der christlichen und islamischen war und ist christliches Ziel.
Würden die Christen auch nur ein Wort über das Tibet verlieren wenn sie dort die Tibeter umgebracht hätten??
Wo auch immer die Kirchen Verbrechen begangen haben leugnen sie diese und mit ihnen die christgläubigen Journalisten, Redakteure und Medienschaffende und Honoritäten. Was sind das für Menschen?? Verbrecher sinds und weitere Verbrechen ermöglichen sie!!!! Gleichzeitig schämen sich diese nicht auf andere zu zeigen und diese irgendwelchen Verbrechen zu beschuldigen, selbst wenn sie welche erfinden müssen!!!!
Heute kommt der Mystizismus wieder auf, wird von allen Seiten gefördert, gleichzeitig findet eine ununterbrochene Hetzkampagne gegen alles Sexuell- Lustbejahende statt.
Das schweizer Fernsehen macht ununterbrochen mystische Werbung zeigt mystische Filme und Serien und christliche Horrorfilme um die Jugend und die Erwachsenen so richtig zu bearbeiten!!
Gleichzeitig hetzt das Fernsehen ununterbrochen gegen alles Sexuelle. Gegen die Jugendliche Sexualität. Die Kindliche Sexualität wird verleugnet und wo sie doch vorkommt sperrt man die Kinder ein, „zu ihrem Schutze“. Aus diesen „geschützten“ Kinder werden später Gewalttäter und Autoritätssüchtige.
Vergewaltiger und Kinderschänder kommen immer aus sexuell repressiven Elternhäusern, dies ist wissenschaftlich bewiesen, meist entstammen sie aus einem religiösen Elternhaus.


Welche Verbrechen wurden auf diesem Planeten nicht von Christen begangen?? Wenige sinds.
Warum darf man die Kirchen also nicht mehr kritisieren. Weil sie es nicht ertragen und weil sie an der Macht sind.
Verbrecher an der Macht hören nicht gerne, dass sie Verbrecher sind.
Die Christen sind Lügner und Verbrecher. Wie lange noch wird dieses Dreckspack an der Macht geduldet.
Auf welchem Kontinenten haben die Christen keine Verbrechen begangen?? Auf allen Kontinenten haben die Christen Verbrechen begangen.
Der Wurm der Sünde ist das einzige Gewissen des Christen und es verhindert, dass der Mensch ein natürliches Gewissen entwickeln kann. Der Wurm der Sünde nährt sich von den, durch die mystische Moral kriminell gemachten, sexuellen Taten des Kindes und Jugendlichen bis er genug gross ist um auch Mord und Raub zu begehen. Raub auf ganzen Kontinenten. Mord an Millionen von Menschen!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Das gleiche Gewissen hat der christliche Lügenhistoriker und Politiker.
Ein widernatürliches Gewissen, das zuerst die Natur des Menschen korrumpiert um ihm dann die obrigkeitliche geistliche Korruption anzugewöhnen.

Übrigens zu Kirche und Krieg
Die Kirche war nie gegen Krieg, sie wollte den Krieg, förderte den Krieg.
Ein kleiner Krieg, ein grosses Geschäft.
Und zur Predig: Die Predigt stimmte noch nie mit den wahren Absichten der Kirchen überein. Aber es tönt schön.
Die Kirche ist wohl die einzige Institution die nicht an ihren Taten gemessen sondern an ihrer Predigt gemessen wird.

Immer mehr wird im interesse von Kirche und Saat verboten, das muss aufhören.
Atheiten vereinigt euch und kämpft.


Freiheit, Gleichheit, Brüderlichkeit
Erkenntnis der Realität
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm an Atheist of Germany. Because there is now a lot of Censorship i have my say here</p>
<p>Warum darf man die Kirchen nicht mehr kritisieren<br />
Kirchen die grauenhafteste Verbrechen gegen die Menschlichkeit begangen haben und immer noch begehen. In christlichen Erziehungsheimen und heute in den (angeblich) säkularen Erziehungsheimen, wo Kinder gefoltert wurden und werden um sie zu brechen damit man ihnen den widernatürlichen Wahn, die korrupte Ersatzwelt, das mystische Empfinden eintrichtern kann.<br />
Grauenhafteste Verbrechen der Kirche und Lügen ohne Ende.<br />
Die Kirche die zu Genoziden aufgehetzt hat, die systematisch ganze Völker mit vernichtet hat. Die schlimmsten Massenmörder, inklusive Stalin (Priesterseminar in Tbilsi) und Hitler Benediktinerstift), wurden christlich erzogen.<br />
In christlichen Erziehungsheime wurden noch im 20. Jahrhundert grauenhaft gezüchtigt und gefoltert und immer wieder auch sexuell missbraucht von Frauen und von Männern die ihrerseits aber verheiratet waren, also kann es nicht das Zölibat gewesen sein!!!!<br />
Es war die christliche Sexualmoral die sie selbst zu solchen Verbrechern hat werden lassen, diese wurden bis heute nicht bestraft, die Opfer wurden und werden von den christlichen Staatsmännern (demokratisch gewählt!!!!!!!!!) eingeschüchtert und auch von der Kirche. Man droht ihnen dass, wenn sie nicht still halten, sie in psychiatrische Kliniken eingewiesen werden und entmündigt werden.<br />
Die Kinderschänder der Kirche leben heute zum Teil im Vatikan.<br />
Nach einer BBC Sendung vom Oktober 2006<br />
Die Kirche wehrt sich mit allen Mitteln wo immer Aufklärung stattfindet.<br />
Gleichzeitig ist die Kirche gegen jede Form von Sexualaufklärung!! Warum bloss?<br />
Menschen die sexuell frei und gesund sind haben weder Mystizismus nötig, noch sonst irgendeine Verbrecher Korruption gegen den Geist. Kinder, die über Sexualität aufgeklärt sind und sich nicht ob dem Körper schämen, haben weder die künstliche mystische Ersatzwelt nötig, noch sind sie autoritätssüchtig oder obrigkeitshörig.<br />
Solche Kinder sind von der heutigen machthabenden Verbrecherbande nicht zu gebrauchen.<br />
Hirnlos rumjammern, mitleiden, Fernsehschauen und glauben, das ist die Aufgabe der Masse.<br />
Und jedes Mal wenn etwas geschieht stärkt man die Seite der repressiven Unterdrücker der Christ- Faschisten. Und es passiert immer mehr.<br />
Nahmen in den 80- 90er Jahren sexuelle Gewalt ab unter einer liberalen Gesetzgebung, so nimmt heute die sexuelle Gewalt unter mehr Repression und Sexhysterie zu!!<br />
Das ist Absicht.<br />
Je elender es den Massen geht, je mehr Gewalt und Wahn es gibt, desto stärker strömen die Massen hin zu einem heilsversprechenden Wahn und stärken den Wahn, den Mystizismus und die Korruption, die immer mehr Rechte bekommt und immer schlechter kontrollierbar ist. Da die Leute sofort religiöse Gefühle haben, „die verletzt werden“, darf es keine Kritik mehr geben, höchstens lächerliche, nichtsaussagende Kritik, wo sich die Massen belustigen können und in Wirklichkeit sich die christliche Obrigkeit eins lacht. Aber es sind künstlich anerzogene Gefühle, die anstatt der natürlichen Sexualität in den Körper gezwungen werden!!!! Mit systematischem Zärtlichkeitsentzug in der frühesten Kindheit, und mit totalem ausseinanderhalten von Mädchen und Jungen bis sie Jugendlich sind.<br />
Die Zwängereien der Pädagogen, der „Ideal Erziehung“ der Moral führen erst zu Gewalt und sexueller Gewalt. Kleinkinder und Kinder können sich gegen die an ihnen begangene Geistes Korruption und Geistesschändung nicht wehren.</p>
<p>Hitler arbeitete zusammen mit der Kirche, Hitler wurde von der katholischen Kirche massiv gestützt. Der Kammerherr des Papstes war auch zeitweilig Hitlers stellvertretender Parteichef: „von Papen“.<br />
Hitler schloss den ersten Staatsvertrag mit dem Vatikan, das Reichskonkordat von 1933.<br />
Hitler wurde von den katholischen Richtern und Politikern geschützt und gestützt.<br />
Konfessionslose, weltlich denkende Menschen wurden zahlreich von den Nazis umgebracht. Kirchentreue Vasallen keineswegs.<br />
Konrad Adenauer war zurzeit von Hitler, Bürgermeister von Köln und unterstützte die Kirche wo er nur konnte und gratulierte dem Mussolini bei seiner Machtübernahme in Italien die von der Kirche gestützt war und vor Hitler stattfand. Pavelic und Franco waren beide Freunde der katholischen Kirche!! Alle rechtsgerichteten Diktatoren waren sehr der Kirche angetan. Ngo- Diem wurde in einem katholischen Kloster ausgebildet und war Laienbruder der katholischen Kirche und baute in Südvietnam Konzentrationslager auf.<br />
Sein Bruder der Erzbischof von Hue unterstütze ihn bei all den Verbrechen.</p>
<p>Die Inquisition, die Reconquista, die Conquista, die Kreuzzüge, die Heidenvernichtung waren Verbrechen die nur von den Kirchen begangen wurden, von niemandem sonst.<br />
Die systematische Vernichtung aller Kulturen ausser der christlichen und islamischen war und ist christliches Ziel.<br />
Würden die Christen auch nur ein Wort über das Tibet verlieren wenn sie dort die Tibeter umgebracht hätten??<br />
Wo auch immer die Kirchen Verbrechen begangen haben leugnen sie diese und mit ihnen die christgläubigen Journalisten, Redakteure und Medienschaffende und Honoritäten. Was sind das für Menschen?? Verbrecher sinds und weitere Verbrechen ermöglichen sie!!!! Gleichzeitig schämen sich diese nicht auf andere zu zeigen und diese irgendwelchen Verbrechen zu beschuldigen, selbst wenn sie welche erfinden müssen!!!!<br />
Heute kommt der Mystizismus wieder auf, wird von allen Seiten gefördert, gleichzeitig findet eine ununterbrochene Hetzkampagne gegen alles Sexuell- Lustbejahende statt.<br />
Das schweizer Fernsehen macht ununterbrochen mystische Werbung zeigt mystische Filme und Serien und christliche Horrorfilme um die Jugend und die Erwachsenen so richtig zu bearbeiten!!<br />
Gleichzeitig hetzt das Fernsehen ununterbrochen gegen alles Sexuelle. Gegen die Jugendliche Sexualität. Die Kindliche Sexualität wird verleugnet und wo sie doch vorkommt sperrt man die Kinder ein, „zu ihrem Schutze“. Aus diesen „geschützten“ Kinder werden später Gewalttäter und Autoritätssüchtige.<br />
Vergewaltiger und Kinderschänder kommen immer aus sexuell repressiven Elternhäusern, dies ist wissenschaftlich bewiesen, meist entstammen sie aus einem religiösen Elternhaus.</p>
<p>Welche Verbrechen wurden auf diesem Planeten nicht von Christen begangen?? Wenige sinds.<br />
Warum darf man die Kirchen also nicht mehr kritisieren. Weil sie es nicht ertragen und weil sie an der Macht sind.<br />
Verbrecher an der Macht hören nicht gerne, dass sie Verbrecher sind.<br />
Die Christen sind Lügner und Verbrecher. Wie lange noch wird dieses Dreckspack an der Macht geduldet.<br />
Auf welchem Kontinenten haben die Christen keine Verbrechen begangen?? Auf allen Kontinenten haben die Christen Verbrechen begangen.<br />
Der Wurm der Sünde ist das einzige Gewissen des Christen und es verhindert, dass der Mensch ein natürliches Gewissen entwickeln kann. Der Wurm der Sünde nährt sich von den, durch die mystische Moral kriminell gemachten, sexuellen Taten des Kindes und Jugendlichen bis er genug gross ist um auch Mord und Raub zu begehen. Raub auf ganzen Kontinenten. Mord an Millionen von Menschen!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
Das gleiche Gewissen hat der christliche Lügenhistoriker und Politiker.<br />
Ein widernatürliches Gewissen, das zuerst die Natur des Menschen korrumpiert um ihm dann die obrigkeitliche geistliche Korruption anzugewöhnen.</p>
<p>Übrigens zu Kirche und Krieg<br />
Die Kirche war nie gegen Krieg, sie wollte den Krieg, förderte den Krieg.<br />
Ein kleiner Krieg, ein grosses Geschäft.<br />
Und zur Predig: Die Predigt stimmte noch nie mit den wahren Absichten der Kirchen überein. Aber es tönt schön.<br />
Die Kirche ist wohl die einzige Institution die nicht an ihren Taten gemessen sondern an ihrer Predigt gemessen wird.</p>
<p>Immer mehr wird im interesse von Kirche und Saat verboten, das muss aufhören.<br />
Atheiten vereinigt euch und kämpft.</p>
<p>Freiheit, Gleichheit, Brüderlichkeit<br />
Erkenntnis der Realität<br />
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		<dc:creator>John A. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read Wolf&#039;s article a couple of days ago, I immediately had some of the same objections that are expressed so eloquently in &lt;i&gt;The New Atheists Fight Back&lt;/i&gt;. But I don&#039;t think I could have written anything close to &lt;i&gt;The New Atheists Fight Back&lt;/i&gt; if I devoted full attention to it for a week. It is a brilliant tour de force. Its incisive, cogent logic is a thing of beauty. It completely exposes all of the flaws in Wolf&#039;s thinking, some of which had not quite occurred to me. This piece is the most pleasurable bit of reading I&#039;ve done since--well, since &lt;i&gt;The God Delusion&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Letters to A Christian Nation&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read Wolf's article a couple of days ago, I immediately had some of the same objections that are expressed so eloquently in <i>The New Atheists Fight Back</i>. But I don't think I could have written anything close to <i>The New Atheists Fight Back</i> if I devoted full attention to it for a week. It is a brilliant tour de force. Its incisive, cogent logic is a thing of beauty. It completely exposes all of the flaws in Wolf's thinking, some of which had not quite occurred to me. This piece is the most pleasurable bit of reading I've done since--well, since <i>The God Delusion</i> and <i>Letters to A Christian Nation</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Weaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the cook or gardener are better choices, actually.  The universe at that point must have been &quot;sizzling hot (due to the high energy density, unless I&#039;ve been learning too much from high school textbooks again), and it certainly &quot;grew,&quot; whereas I&#039;m not really sure what theologians even deal with that would be applicable...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the cook or gardener are better choices, actually.  The universe at that point must have been "sizzling hot (due to the high energy density, unless I've been learning too much from high school textbooks again), and it certainly "grew," whereas I'm not really sure what theologians even deal with that would be applicable...</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some thoughts for people who take issue with the characterization of theology as a non-subject.

Mathematics has what theology lacks: a demonstrable connection to the real world. Mathematical constructs, when applied properly, can help us gain insight and understanding into the way the world works. The same cannot be said for theology. As far as literary analysis, I think this is somewhat beside the point. One can study any book (including the Bible or the Qur&#039;an) &lt;i&gt;as a book&lt;/i&gt;, and thereby gain knowledge into the mindset and social conditions of its authors. But theology is not about this - theology is the field of study concerned with arguments about the nature and beliefs of God. The books which we study definitely exist, as did their authors. They were objects in the real world. But theology, again, has yet to show any similar connection to reality. It is a subject of study based on no evidence, and that is why Dawkins dismisses it, I think rightly, as a non-subject.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But all of those examples are secular science or philosophy topics and the point here is that the influnece of &quot;theological position&quot; adds nothing of substance to those discussions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Explicit Atheist makes a good point, one which Dawkins touches on as well: &lt;i&gt;Anyone&lt;/i&gt; can study ethics or philosophy and draw their own conclusions. Theologians are often considered to be experts in those areas, but that notwithstanding, there is no obvious reason to believe they are any more qualified to discuss them than anyone else. Dawkins&#039; humorous example (in &lt;i&gt;The God Delusion&lt;/i&gt;) is about a scientist who says that science can take us back to the Big Bang, but before that is the province of the theologians. Why the theologians, Dawkins asks - why not the cook or the gardener?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts for people who take issue with the characterization of theology as a non-subject.</p>
<p>Mathematics has what theology lacks: a demonstrable connection to the real world. Mathematical constructs, when applied properly, can help us gain insight and understanding into the way the world works. The same cannot be said for theology. As far as literary analysis, I think this is somewhat beside the point. One can study any book (including the Bible or the Qur'an) <i>as a book</i>, and thereby gain knowledge into the mindset and social conditions of its authors. But theology is not about this - theology is the field of study concerned with arguments about the nature and beliefs of God. The books which we study definitely exist, as did their authors. They were objects in the real world. But theology, again, has yet to show any similar connection to reality. It is a subject of study based on no evidence, and that is why Dawkins dismisses it, I think rightly, as a non-subject.</p>
<blockquote><p>But all of those examples are secular science or philosophy topics and the point here is that the influnece of "theological position" adds nothing of substance to those discussions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Explicit Atheist makes a good point, one which Dawkins touches on as well: <i>Anyone</i> can study ethics or philosophy and draw their own conclusions. Theologians are often considered to be experts in those areas, but that notwithstanding, there is no obvious reason to believe they are any more qualified to discuss them than anyone else. Dawkins' humorous example (in <i>The God Delusion</i>) is about a scientist who says that science can take us back to the Big Bang, but before that is the province of the theologians. Why the theologians, Dawkins asks - why not the cook or the gardener?</p>
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		<title>By: Explicit Atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Explicit Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>samskeptic &#124; October 25, 2006 wrote &quot;I think I understand what Dawkins is trying to get at with the whole &quot;theology is a non-subject&quot; statement, but I would worry that people might use that to surmise that one cannot learn anything interesting from studying theological works. Indeed, I think that some interesting philosophical problems like free will, distinctions between essence and substance, meaning of the terms &quot;infinite&quot; and &quot;eternal&quot;, the nature of time, etc are discussed in interesting ways in theological texts. A person&#039;s theological position will influence how they answer those questions, but watching their process of reasoning is interesting and informative nonetheless.&quot;

But all of those examples are secular science or philosophy topics and the point here is that the influnece of &quot;theological position&quot; adds nothing of substance to those discussions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>samskeptic | October 25, 2006 wrote "I think I understand what Dawkins is trying to get at with the whole "theology is a non-subject" statement, but I would worry that people might use that to surmise that one cannot learn anything interesting from studying theological works. Indeed, I think that some interesting philosophical problems like free will, distinctions between essence and substance, meaning of the terms "infinite" and "eternal", the nature of time, etc are discussed in interesting ways in theological texts. A person's theological position will influence how they answer those questions, but watching their process of reasoning is interesting and informative nonetheless."</p>
<p>But all of those examples are secular science or philosophy topics and the point here is that the influnece of "theological position" adds nothing of substance to those discussions.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Sayre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Sayre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theology, as I understand it, includes topics ranging from the more philosophical or ethical question of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the problem of evil&lt;/a&gt; to the more scientific or historical claim of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the assumption of Mary&lt;/a&gt;.  It seems to mean both the study of religions and their effects on societies and the collection of beliefs, stories and practices that constitute a particular religion.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Atheology&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Internets seem to back me up on that.&lt;/a&gt;  Bearing all that in mind, it does seem to be a good target for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aequivocation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;equivocation&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theology, as I understand it, includes topics ranging from the more philosophical or ethical question of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil" rel="nofollow">the problem of evil</a> to the more scientific or historical claim of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary" rel="nofollow">the assumption of Mary</a>.  It seems to mean both the study of religions and their effects on societies and the collection of beliefs, stories and practices that constitute a particular religion.  <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Atheology" rel="nofollow">The Internets seem to back me up on that.</a>  Bearing all that in mind, it does seem to be a good target for <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aequivocation" rel="nofollow">equivocation</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Padishah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Padishah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Infophile [and many others in like vein]: &lt;blockquote&gt;The primary tool it uses is faith, which comes with a ton of drawbacks, and leads to contradictions all over the place. It then uses faith to study that which it has no reason to believe exists, coming up with new data through faith alone.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the nature of theology. Thelogy, at least as taught at reputable universities, is a serious academic discipline encompassing the study of peoples belief system and religious behaviour, philosophy, ethics and logic. It is not a matter of indoctrination, or of making things up on the spot, and it certainly does not involve faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Infophile [and many others in like vein]:<br />
<blockquote>The primary tool it uses is faith, which comes with a ton of drawbacks, and leads to contradictions all over the place. It then uses faith to study that which it has no reason to believe exists, coming up with new data through faith alone.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the nature of theology. Thelogy, at least as taught at reputable universities, is a serious academic discipline encompassing the study of peoples belief system and religious behaviour, philosophy, ethics and logic. It is not a matter of indoctrination, or of making things up on the spot, and it certainly does not involve faith.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I would worry that people might use that to surmise that one cannot learn anything interesting from studying theological works&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Spider-Man teaches that &quot;with great power comes great responsibility&quot;.  I think most people can simultaneously recognize the value in that lesson and that Spider-Man is a fictional character.  How people define and understand concepts like &quot;power&quot; and &quot;responsibility&quot; are a valid area of study.  I&#039;m sure differing interpretations say alot about different people and their culture.  But all of that is separate from the question of whether or not Spider-Man is real.  I don&#039;t they&#039;re trying to devalue the questions, they&#039;re wanting people to answer them without appealing to fairy tales.  Dawkins, for example, really does want an answer as to where Jesus&#039; Y Chromosome came from.

I think there is far more to fear from people taking theological works too seriously than not seriously enough.  As Sam Harris points out, it isn&#039;t religious moderates flying planes into buildings.</description>
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<p>Spider-Man teaches that "with great power comes great responsibility".  I think most people can simultaneously recognize the value in that lesson and that Spider-Man is a fictional character.  How people define and understand concepts like "power" and "responsibility" are a valid area of study.  I'm sure differing interpretations say alot about different people and their culture.  But all of that is separate from the question of whether or not Spider-Man is real.  I don't they're trying to devalue the questions, they're wanting people to answer them without appealing to fairy tales.  Dawkins, for example, really does want an answer as to where Jesus' Y Chromosome came from.</p>
<p>I think there is far more to fear from people taking theological works too seriously than not seriously enough.  As Sam Harris points out, it isn't religious moderates flying planes into buildings.</p>
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