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		<title>By: Unbeliever</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/11/seasons-change.html#comment-9999</link>
		<dc:creator>Unbeliever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

I appreciate your input. I&#039;ve usually voted Republican because that was the only party interested in smaller government. You are right, however, that the current crop of Republicans are no longer interested in smaller government, only in controling people and staying in power.

If I ever saw a Democratic candidate that said that he believed in property rights and was against wealth-redistribution, I&#039;m sure that I would give him my vote. But somehow, I don&#039;t see that happening anytime soon.

I want to know: why can&#039;t we have a viable party that is for personal freedom AND personal responsibility. I&#039;m left with the theocrats or the socialists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>I appreciate your input. I've usually voted Republican because that was the only party interested in smaller government. You are right, however, that the current crop of Republicans are no longer interested in smaller government, only in controling people and staying in power.</p>
<p>If I ever saw a Democratic candidate that said that he believed in property rights and was against wealth-redistribution, I'm sure that I would give him my vote. But somehow, I don't see that happening anytime soon.</p>
<p>I want to know: why can't we have a viable party that is for personal freedom AND personal responsibility. I'm left with the theocrats or the socialists.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/11/seasons-change.html#comment-9978</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbeliever, I suggest you ask yourself what makes the Democrats any more &quot;statist&quot; than the Republicans. On the contrary, George W. Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress have presided over one of the most staggeringly massive expansions in government entitlement programs in America&#039;s entire history, with a corresponding massive increase in deficit and expansion of the federal bureaucracy. The &quot;faith-based initiative&quot; is nothing but a system of distributing government pork to religious groups whom the Bush administration hopes will support them in return, and homeland security funding, as it has been allocated by the Republicans, has worked out the same way. Even the Republican tax cuts were so regressive as to make little practical difference for anyone other than the top 1% of earners, and their failure to revise the alternative minimum tax means that many people&#039;s taxes may actually increase (unless the new Democratic Congress takes action, which they have said they will). And let&#039;s not forget the Republicans&#039; blatant authoritarianism when it comes to people&#039;s private lives; their recent decision to ban adults from gambling over the Internet in their own homes was the most recent, but hardly the most egregious, example. (Need I mention Terri Schiavo?)

If you&#039;re concerned about statism, I suggest you vote for Democrats. At least they seem to be able to balance the budget and are much less concerned with what people do in their private lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbeliever, I suggest you ask yourself what makes the Democrats any more "statist" than the Republicans. On the contrary, George W. Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress have presided over one of the most staggeringly massive expansions in government entitlement programs in America's entire history, with a corresponding massive increase in deficit and expansion of the federal bureaucracy. The "faith-based initiative" is nothing but a system of distributing government pork to religious groups whom the Bush administration hopes will support them in return, and homeland security funding, as it has been allocated by the Republicans, has worked out the same way. Even the Republican tax cuts were so regressive as to make little practical difference for anyone other than the top 1% of earners, and their failure to revise the alternative minimum tax means that many people's taxes may actually increase (unless the new Democratic Congress takes action, which they have said they will). And let's not forget the Republicans' blatant authoritarianism when it comes to people's private lives; their recent decision to ban adults from gambling over the Internet in their own homes was the most recent, but hardly the most egregious, example. (Need I mention Terri Schiavo?)</p>
<p>If you're concerned about statism, I suggest you vote for Democrats. At least they seem to be able to balance the budget and are much less concerned with what people do in their private lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Unbeliever</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/11/seasons-change.html#comment-9977</link>
		<dc:creator>Unbeliever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I truly wish that &quot;None of the above&quot; were a valid option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly wish that "None of the above" were a valid option.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Hardwick</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/11/seasons-change.html#comment-9967</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Hardwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the Notocratican party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Notocratican party?</p>
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		<title>By: Unbeliever</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/11/seasons-change.html#comment-9966</link>
		<dc:creator>Unbeliever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take the socialism out of the Democratic Party, and I&#039;ll be happy to vote for them. But because of the statist nature of the left, I&#039;ve never once cast a ballot for a Democratic candidate.

As BletchleyPark said, they are coming for our money. The Democrats have their hearts in the right place, but their hands in the wrong place: our wallets. It is time for the Democrats to embrace freedom, not just for minorites and gays, but for taxpayers and property-owners. The freedom to control your life and what belongs to you, what you have worked hard to earn.

If I want to see church/state separation and smaller government, is there a viable party for me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take the socialism out of the Democratic Party, and I'll be happy to vote for them. But because of the statist nature of the left, I've never once cast a ballot for a Democratic candidate.</p>
<p>As BletchleyPark said, they are coming for our money. The Democrats have their hearts in the right place, but their hands in the wrong place: our wallets. It is time for the Democrats to embrace freedom, not just for minorites and gays, but for taxpayers and property-owners. The freedom to control your life and what belongs to you, what you have worked hard to earn.</p>
<p>If I want to see church/state separation and smaller government, is there a viable party for me?</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/11/seasons-change.html#comment-9844</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Your spiteful afterglow posted above is not constructive or helpful.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t claim it was either. I claimed it was cathartic. This country has been controlled by a cabal of warmongering fanatics for too long for me not to feel joy at the election returns. As I said, however, once the euphoria fades, the real, constructive work of undoing the damage they have done and returning America to the path of sanity will begin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Your spiteful afterglow posted above is not constructive or helpful.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn't claim it was either. I claimed it was cathartic. This country has been controlled by a cabal of warmongering fanatics for too long for me not to feel joy at the election returns. As I said, however, once the euphoria fades, the real, constructive work of undoing the damage they have done and returning America to the path of sanity will begin.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/11/seasons-change.html#comment-9750</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If minority faiths can openly run for office now, perhaps in the future we will see some open atheists running for office as well (hopefully ones that don&#039;t just tow party lines- any party...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If minority faiths can openly run for office now, perhaps in the future we will see some open atheists running for office as well (hopefully ones that don't just tow party lines- any party...).</p>
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		<title>By: lpetrich</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/11/seasons-change.html#comment-9745</link>
		<dc:creator>lpetrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Republican Party had indeed been the party of Abraham Lincoln. But over the last few decades, it has become the party of Jefferson Davis, as none less than Trent Lott has more-or-less stated.

And overshadowed by the election to the House of the first Muslim is the election to that body of two Buddhists:

Hank Johnson of Georgia
Mazie Hirono of Hawaii

Like the Muslim, both Buddhists are Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republican Party had indeed been the party of Abraham Lincoln. But over the last few decades, it has become the party of Jefferson Davis, as none less than Trent Lott has more-or-less stated.</p>
<p>And overshadowed by the election to the House of the first Muslim is the election to that body of two Buddhists:</p>
<p>Hank Johnson of Georgia<br />
Mazie Hirono of Hawaii</p>
<p>Like the Muslim, both Buddhists are Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/11/seasons-change.html#comment-9719</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BletchleyPark: I disagree.  The current crop of Republicans were unethical *before* they got into office.  Indeed, their unethical dirty tricks are a significant part of *how* they got into office (and took over the party).

Free markets are good (usually).  &quot;Capitalism&quot; is a word often used to cover corporate welfare and other forms of rent seeking, which is not good at all.  And it&#039;s been a long time since Republicans were the party of less intrusive government in anything other than empty rhetoric (longer than my lifetime, anyway).  Why don&#039;t you ask Michael Schiavo which party is less intrusive?

You seem to be one of those people under the delusion that the party of Eisenhower and Goldwater is still around.  It isn&#039;t.  There&#039;s a wolf in elephant&#039;s clothing instead.

P.S. Fire brigades and fires were not originally my metaphor, but Churchill&#039;s (who used it as an example of when to reject neutrality); I just embellished it a bit to apply it to the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BletchleyPark: I disagree.  The current crop of Republicans were unethical *before* they got into office.  Indeed, their unethical dirty tricks are a significant part of *how* they got into office (and took over the party).</p>
<p>Free markets are good (usually).  "Capitalism" is a word often used to cover corporate welfare and other forms of rent seeking, which is not good at all.  And it's been a long time since Republicans were the party of less intrusive government in anything other than empty rhetoric (longer than my lifetime, anyway).  Why don't you ask Michael Schiavo which party is less intrusive?</p>
<p>You seem to be one of those people under the delusion that the party of Eisenhower and Goldwater is still around.  It isn't.  There's a wolf in elephant's clothing instead.</p>
<p>P.S. Fire brigades and fires were not originally my metaphor, but Churchill's (who used it as an example of when to reject neutrality); I just embellished it a bit to apply it to the media.</p>
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		<title>By: BletchleyPark</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/11/seasons-change.html#comment-9693</link>
		<dc:creator>BletchleyPark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being an atheist does not mean you support the Democrats on their every policy.  The Republicans have been in power so long that they allowed their ethics to erode away till they were guilty of all kinds of stupid behind-the-scenes behavior.  The reason the Republicans have been in power so long is that past Democrats, Bill Clinton foremost among them, let their power go to their glands and got caught.  It will always be thus; the party in power will trash the hotel room till they get thrown out by management.  I support the separation of church and state, but I want to decide what I do with my money--even how much to give to what charity, etc.  The Democrats will raise taxes and misspend them the way only government can do.  They&#039;ll take your money too, make no mistake about it!

This site should remember that separation of church and state is good; being an atheist is good; smaller, less intrusive government is good; low taxes are good; capitalism is good.  Your spiteful afterglow posted above is not constructive or helpful.  In a few years, you&#039;ll be upset again, &quot;gnashing your teeth&quot; when the public see how much of their paychecks disappear into that big sinkhole in Washington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being an atheist does not mean you support the Democrats on their every policy.  The Republicans have been in power so long that they allowed their ethics to erode away till they were guilty of all kinds of stupid behind-the-scenes behavior.  The reason the Republicans have been in power so long is that past Democrats, Bill Clinton foremost among them, let their power go to their glands and got caught.  It will always be thus; the party in power will trash the hotel room till they get thrown out by management.  I support the separation of church and state, but I want to decide what I do with my money--even how much to give to what charity, etc.  The Democrats will raise taxes and misspend them the way only government can do.  They'll take your money too, make no mistake about it!</p>
<p>This site should remember that separation of church and state is good; being an atheist is good; smaller, less intrusive government is good; low taxes are good; capitalism is good.  Your spiteful afterglow posted above is not constructive or helpful.  In a few years, you'll be upset again, "gnashing your teeth" when the public see how much of their paychecks disappear into that big sinkhole in Washington.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/11/seasons-change.html#comment-9686</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Infophile:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, those of you who watched the Daily Show last night know that Howard Dean has said they don&#039;t plan to impeach him. Most likely they just don&#039;t have the majority to do it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, not by a long shot, unfortunately - not in the House, and especially not in the Senate. I wouldn&#039;t be upset if they tried anyway, as a symbolic gesture. After all, Bush &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; committed impeachable offenses; for one thing, he admits violating FISA, the punishment for which is up to five years in prison. On the other hand, given that meaningless symbolism is what the Republicans excel at, I&#039;d still be happy if the Democrats decided instead to pass some genuinely realistic and meaningful bills to improve Americans&#039; lives. I just hope they don&#039;t hold back on impeachment because they don&#039;t want to seem &quot;extremist&quot;. That&#039;s how they lost power in the first place.

Joe Hardwick:

&lt;blockquote&gt;This post caught me off guard. There is a glaring presumption that your readership shares your political affiliations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is no such presumption: I write not to please an audience or to say what I think people want to hear, but to express &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; opinions. If you don&#039;t agree, you&#039;re welcome to say something in response, which is why each post has a comment feature. However, the fact of the matter is that most atheists &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; politically liberal, or at least libertarian, and the Republican party is neither of those things. On the contrary, it is wholly controlled by some of the most regressive and authoritarian elements in American politics at the moment.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Republican party was founded in the time of Lincoln, for the explicit purpose of supportting those causes for which he has endeared himself in the proud hearts of many Americans, Republican and Democrat alike.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t deny it. But the Republican party has done a complete about-face from its founding vision and now stands in unapologetic support of the very causes that people like Lincoln and Jefferson opposed. The Democrats are now the progressive party, which is why I support them.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Democrats are as plastic as Republicans...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry, no. I don&#039;t deny that there&#039;s corruption, cowardice and ineptitude among the Democrats - truth, that&#039;s how they got themselves into the minority in the first place, by refusing to stand up for what they supposedly believed in and instead only advocating positions deemed sufficiently bland and inoffensive. But to say that there is no difference between the two parties is just wrong. The Democrats &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; stand for the kind of liberal, progressive values that the Republicans do not; it&#039;s just that they&#039;ve fallen short in defending them. Given the role of citizen activism and small donors in this election, and given the many excellent new candidates who won this year, I&#039;m hopeful that there is a new progressive movement building that will remind the Democratic establishment where they came from. 

Chris:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The modern &quot;mainstream&quot; press corps is made largely of people who maintain a principled and dignified neutrality between fire brigades and fires (or perhaps more precisely, arsonists), and are very careful to avoid the appearance of taking sides in the controversy over whether or not calls to extinguish the fire are irresponsible alarmism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hah, well put, sir! That&#039;s a brilliant metaphor that captures the heart of the problem: the mainstream media has so often been criticized for not being impartial that they now think they&#039;re supposed to be impartial between truth and falsehood. I wrote about this a little in a post from June, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/2006/06/the-illusion-of-balance.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Illusion of Balance&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Infophile:</p>
<blockquote><p>Well, those of you who watched the Daily Show last night know that Howard Dean has said they don't plan to impeach him. Most likely they just don't have the majority to do it.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, not by a long shot, unfortunately - not in the House, and especially not in the Senate. I wouldn't be upset if they tried anyway, as a symbolic gesture. After all, Bush <i>has</i> committed impeachable offenses; for one thing, he admits violating FISA, the punishment for which is up to five years in prison. On the other hand, given that meaningless symbolism is what the Republicans excel at, I'd still be happy if the Democrats decided instead to pass some genuinely realistic and meaningful bills to improve Americans' lives. I just hope they don't hold back on impeachment because they don't want to seem "extremist". That's how they lost power in the first place.</p>
<p>Joe Hardwick:</p>
<blockquote><p>This post caught me off guard. There is a glaring presumption that your readership shares your political affiliations.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is no such presumption: I write not to please an audience or to say what I think people want to hear, but to express <i>my</i> opinions. If you don't agree, you're welcome to say something in response, which is why each post has a comment feature. However, the fact of the matter is that most atheists <i>are</i> politically liberal, or at least libertarian, and the Republican party is neither of those things. On the contrary, it is wholly controlled by some of the most regressive and authoritarian elements in American politics at the moment.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Republican party was founded in the time of Lincoln, for the explicit purpose of supportting those causes for which he has endeared himself in the proud hearts of many Americans, Republican and Democrat alike.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't deny it. But the Republican party has done a complete about-face from its founding vision and now stands in unapologetic support of the very causes that people like Lincoln and Jefferson opposed. The Democrats are now the progressive party, which is why I support them.</p>
<blockquote><p>Democrats are as plastic as Republicans...</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry, no. I don't deny that there's corruption, cowardice and ineptitude among the Democrats - truth, that's how they got themselves into the minority in the first place, by refusing to stand up for what they supposedly believed in and instead only advocating positions deemed sufficiently bland and inoffensive. But to say that there is no difference between the two parties is just wrong. The Democrats <i>do</i> stand for the kind of liberal, progressive values that the Republicans do not; it's just that they've fallen short in defending them. Given the role of citizen activism and small donors in this election, and given the many excellent new candidates who won this year, I'm hopeful that there is a new progressive movement building that will remind the Democratic establishment where they came from. </p>
<p>Chris:</p>
<blockquote><p>The modern "mainstream" press corps is made largely of people who maintain a principled and dignified neutrality between fire brigades and fires (or perhaps more precisely, arsonists), and are very careful to avoid the appearance of taking sides in the controversy over whether or not calls to extinguish the fire are irresponsible alarmism.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hah, well put, sir! That's a brilliant metaphor that captures the heart of the problem: the mainstream media has so often been criticized for not being impartial that they now think they're supposed to be impartial between truth and falsehood. I wrote about this a little in a post from June, "<a href="/2006/06/the-illusion-of-balance.html" rel="nofollow">The Illusion of Balance</a>".</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/11/seasons-change.html#comment-9670</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The history of the Republican party is, sadly, largely irrelevant.  Lincoln wouldn&#039;t recognize the new Republicans as part of his party, nor would Eisenhower.  Goldwater despised them.  Roosevelt (the Republican one) is on record opposing the unitary executive (although not by that name).

Read &lt;i&gt;Conservatives without Conscience&lt;/i&gt; before you try to draw connections between the Republican party of today and the Republican party of even one generation ago.

The party was, quite simply, hijacked.

As for whether Democrats are any different... we&#039;ll see in the next two years, won&#039;t we?  If Pelosi keeps all the autocratic, authoritarian methods of running the House that were pioneered by Gingrich, DeLay and Hastert, then it may indeed be proved that the existing parties aren&#039;t significantly different.

Certainly, many of us will be watching.  We&#039;re not going to tolerate the same garbage in a new bag.  But I think there&#039;s good reason to suppose that the parties *are* different and the reason you think they&#039;re not is the media&#039;s longstanding practice of false parity.  The modern &quot;mainstream&quot; press corps is made largely of people who maintain a principled and dignified neutrality between fire brigades and fires (or perhaps more precisely, arsonists), and are very careful to avoid the appearance of taking sides in the controversy over whether or not calls to extinguish the fire are irresponsible alarmism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The history of the Republican party is, sadly, largely irrelevant.  Lincoln wouldn't recognize the new Republicans as part of his party, nor would Eisenhower.  Goldwater despised them.  Roosevelt (the Republican one) is on record opposing the unitary executive (although not by that name).</p>
<p>Read <i>Conservatives without Conscience</i> before you try to draw connections between the Republican party of today and the Republican party of even one generation ago.</p>
<p>The party was, quite simply, hijacked.</p>
<p>As for whether Democrats are any different... we'll see in the next two years, won't we?  If Pelosi keeps all the autocratic, authoritarian methods of running the House that were pioneered by Gingrich, DeLay and Hastert, then it may indeed be proved that the existing parties aren't significantly different.</p>
<p>Certainly, many of us will be watching.  We're not going to tolerate the same garbage in a new bag.  But I think there's good reason to suppose that the parties *are* different and the reason you think they're not is the media's longstanding practice of false parity.  The modern "mainstream" press corps is made largely of people who maintain a principled and dignified neutrality between fire brigades and fires (or perhaps more precisely, arsonists), and are very careful to avoid the appearance of taking sides in the controversy over whether or not calls to extinguish the fire are irresponsible alarmism.</p>
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