Comments on: The War on Christmas: Here We Go Again http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:57:07 +0000 By: Will E. http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11495 Will E. Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:14:36 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11495 --It would not be my job to decide for myself which tradition everyone should be following and treat customers accordingly.-- Well said. Same goes for the pharmacists! --It would not be my job to decide for myself which tradition everyone should be following and treat customers accordingly.--

Well said. Same goes for the pharmacists!

]]> By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11472 Ebonmuse Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:19:52 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11472 <blockquote>For those who have never seen O'Reilly's show, he only has a problem with companies that prohibit their workers from using a particular greeting.</blockquote> That is not true. Last year, O'Reilly said it was "insulting to Christian America" when retailers do not specifically mention Christmas, that saying "happy holidays" or some other inclusive greeting "offends millions of Christians", and that "secular progressives" want to eliminate all mention of Christmas because "that stands in the way of gay marriage, legalized drugs, euthanasia, all of the greatest hits on the secular progressive play card". (What would we do without <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200512010017" rel="nofollow">Media Matters</a>?) <blockquote>I don't suppose any readers at this site would be pissed if their company forbid them from saying the word "Solstice" in the presence of a customer?</blockquote> No, I would not be. If I was a store greeter, it would be my job to convey whatever message to customers the management deemed most appropriate. It would not be my job to decide for myself which tradition everyone should be following and treat customers accordingly.

For those who have never seen O'Reilly's show, he only has a problem with companies that prohibit their workers from using a particular greeting.

That is not true. Last year, O'Reilly said it was "insulting to Christian America" when retailers do not specifically mention Christmas, that saying "happy holidays" or some other inclusive greeting "offends millions of Christians", and that "secular progressives" want to eliminate all mention of Christmas because "that stands in the way of gay marriage, legalized drugs, euthanasia, all of the greatest hits on the secular progressive play card". (What would we do without Media Matters?)

I don't suppose any readers at this site would be pissed if their company forbid them from saying the word "Solstice" in the presence of a customer?

No, I would not be. If I was a store greeter, it would be my job to convey whatever message to customers the management deemed most appropriate. It would not be my job to decide for myself which tradition everyone should be following and treat customers accordingly.

]]> By: Doug Purdie http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11468 Doug Purdie Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:48:06 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11468 It would not be as much fun dumping on Bill O'Reilly if you could not mis-characterize his view. For those who have never seen O'Reilly's show, he only has a problem with companies that <i>prohibit</i> their workers from using a particular greeting. Macy's, Target and Walmart deserve a browbeating for not allowing their employees to utter the words "Christmas", the word for the holiday that over 90% of their customers celebrate (Yes, even Jews and atheists celebrate Christmas). He never advocated forcing anybody to say anything. Perhaps you are confusing the two concepts "prohibition" and "complusion". He's fighting the former, not advocating the latter. I don't suppose any readers at this site would be pissed if their company <i>forbid</i> them from saying the word "Solstice" in the presence of a customer? It would not be as much fun dumping on Bill O'Reilly if you could not mis-characterize his view.

For those who have never seen O'Reilly's show, he only has a problem with companies that prohibit their workers from using a particular greeting. Macy's, Target and Walmart deserve a browbeating for not allowing their employees to utter the words "Christmas", the word for the holiday that over 90% of their customers celebrate (Yes, even Jews and atheists celebrate Christmas). He never advocated forcing anybody to say anything. Perhaps you are confusing the two concepts "prohibition" and "complusion". He's fighting the former, not advocating the latter.

I don't suppose any readers at this site would be pissed if their company forbid them from saying the word "Solstice" in the presence of a customer?

]]> By: andrea http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11455 andrea Wed, 27 Dec 2006 14:40:08 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11455 "[Bill O'Reilly] and Sean Hannity teamed up to try to browbeat Macy's, Target, Wal-Mart and other retailers into shouting, "Christmas! Christmas! Christmas!" at their customers until everyone feels the love of Jesus deep in their eardrums. " It's always amusing to see that some Christians think that converting "by the sword" or in this case "by the loudspeaker" will work. Pure idiocy. What poor belief that they have when they think that forcing people to believe will work. Pure religious fascism. "[Bill O'Reilly] and Sean Hannity teamed up to try to browbeat Macy's, Target, Wal-Mart and other retailers into shouting, "Christmas! Christmas! Christmas!" at their customers until everyone feels the love of Jesus deep in their eardrums. "

It's always amusing to see that some Christians think that converting "by the sword" or in this case "by the loudspeaker" will work. Pure idiocy. What poor belief that they have when they think that forcing people to believe will work. Pure religious fascism.

]]> By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11430 Ebonmuse Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:16:06 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11430 An excellent point, Lori: the tradition of saying "Happy Holidays" is not new, but the outrage is. It's not that the phrase has suddenly become more offensive. It's just that reactionary Christians have become increasingly powerful and vocal, and they're now demanding that their beliefs be given special, privileged status. An excellent point, Lori: the tradition of saying "Happy Holidays" is not new, but the outrage is. It's not that the phrase has suddenly become more offensive. It's just that reactionary Christians have become increasingly powerful and vocal, and they're now demanding that their beliefs be given special, privileged status.

]]> By: Lori http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11428 Lori Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:41:27 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11428 I don't get it. People have been saying "Happy Holidays" since I was a kid.(There's even a song by that name.) Why are they making such a big stink about it now? I don't get it. People have been saying "Happy Holidays" since I was a kid.(There's even a song by that name.) Why are they making such a big stink about it now?

]]> By: Queen Qaab http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11170 Queen Qaab Sun, 24 Dec 2006 16:36:53 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/12/the-war-on-christmas.html#comment-11170 Yep, you're right. Besides, most of the trappings of "Christmas" preceded the "virgin birth of the Christ-child." Indeed, this isn't the first "god" who mythologically appeared through parthenogenesis. Nevertheless, I'm an atheist who likes the Christmas holiday season. Any excuse for a happy family gathering, a feast, sweet delicacies, and surprises is good in my book. Seeing the dark and cold winter nights all lit up with beautiful and varied decorations also pleases me, and the fancy trees and the telling of family stories. I prefer to not spoil it all with religious anomosity. To me, it's just a grand old wintertime celebration of sparkle and bling in preparation for Spring. Merry Kwanzanukamas! Yep, you're right. Besides, most of the trappings of "Christmas" preceded the "virgin birth of the Christ-child." Indeed, this isn't the first "god" who mythologically appeared through parthenogenesis.

Nevertheless, I'm an atheist who likes the Christmas holiday season. Any excuse for a happy family gathering, a feast, sweet delicacies, and surprises is good in my book. Seeing the dark and cold winter nights all lit up with beautiful and varied decorations also pleases me, and the fancy trees and the telling of family stories.

I prefer to not spoil it all with religious anomosity. To me, it's just a grand old wintertime celebration of sparkle and bling in preparation for Spring.

Merry Kwanzanukamas!

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