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		<title>By: Archi Medez</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/a-religion-not-made-for-success.html#comment-12794</link>
		<dc:creator>Archi Medez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bassmanpete,

Re U.S. pie chart--I think that's a reasonable assumption, which I believe was also stated by someone in the thread at that link, but the claim lampooned there is universal, and I was responding to that claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bassmanpete,</p>
<p>Re U.S. pie chart--I think that's a reasonable assumption, which I believe was also stated by someone in the thread at that link, but the claim lampooned there is universal, and I was responding to that claim.</p>
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		<title>By: bassmanpete</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/a-religion-not-made-for-success.html#comment-12787</link>
		<dc:creator>bassmanpete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Archi, I think the humorous pie chart applied only to the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archi, I think the humorous pie chart applied only to the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt R</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/a-religion-not-made-for-success.html#comment-12770</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Jesus' exclusion of concrete rules and principles for developing a highly organized earthly institution were intentional.  Many have remarked on the suffering that has resulted from the many religious institutions.  I would think that if the "Church" as we have seen it in the past and, in some cases, the present was what Jesus had in mind, then I would be less inclined to follow his teachings.  I believe that Jesus intended a kingdom of heaven within people and not a vast organization to force people to behave in a certain way regardless of their real desires.  I think that Jesus taught that God wanted love, not mere obedience.  Obedience, of course, is a result of true love.

In short, I agree with Ebonmuse.  Some people have taken the teachings of Jesus far from the spirit of the teaching.  Jesus said that the two greatest commandments were to love God and love each other.  Some people have strayed far from this indeed and it pains me to see it.

Cheers,

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Jesus' exclusion of concrete rules and principles for developing a highly organized earthly institution were intentional.  Many have remarked on the suffering that has resulted from the many religious institutions.  I would think that if the "Church" as we have seen it in the past and, in some cases, the present was what Jesus had in mind, then I would be less inclined to follow his teachings.  I believe that Jesus intended a kingdom of heaven within people and not a vast organization to force people to behave in a certain way regardless of their real desires.  I think that Jesus taught that God wanted love, not mere obedience.  Obedience, of course, is a result of true love.</p>
<p>In short, I agree with Ebonmuse.  Some people have taken the teachings of Jesus far from the spirit of the teaching.  Jesus said that the two greatest commandments were to love God and love each other.  Some people have strayed far from this indeed and it pains me to see it.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Archi Medez</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/a-religion-not-made-for-success.html#comment-12764</link>
		<dc:creator>Archi Medez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

In response to your link, the contents of which I realize are a joke:

1. The claim of the joke appears to be that the proposition that Christians are persecuted is ridiculous. But in fact, Christians are persecuted in many places, especially in Islamic countries. I should also add that the joke operates on the assumption that groups which constitute majorities cannot be persecuted. Obviously, that assumption is shown to be erroneous in some cases where the minority holds power, e.g., Sunni persecution of Shia under Saddam's rule.

2. FYI, a graphic representation of the world's religious adherents (pie chart with percentages), circa 2005, can be found &lt;a href="http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>In response to your link, the contents of which I realize are a joke:</p>
<p>1. The claim of the joke appears to be that the proposition that Christians are persecuted is ridiculous. But in fact, Christians are persecuted in many places, especially in Islamic countries. I should also add that the joke operates on the assumption that groups which constitute majorities cannot be persecuted. Obviously, that assumption is shown to be erroneous in some cases where the minority holds power, e.g., Sunni persecution of Shia under Saddam's rule.</p>
<p>2. FYI, a graphic representation of the world's religious adherents (pie chart with percentages), circa 2005, can be found <a href="http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/a-religion-not-made-for-success.html#comment-12732</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I know a number of people who might otherwise have been xians who were surprised to discover the sheer diversity of beliefs in the world, which gave them reason to begin questioning the (locally) established beliefs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

C.S. Lewis knew that too: in &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/books/merechristianity.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Mere Christianity&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, he urged his readers not to talk about the numerous divisions and denominations within Christianity when outsiders were listening, lest it discourage those people from coming to the faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I know a number of people who might otherwise have been xians who were surprised to discover the sheer diversity of beliefs in the world, which gave them reason to begin questioning the (locally) established beliefs.</p></blockquote>
<p>C.S. Lewis knew that too: in <i><a href="http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/books/merechristianity.html" rel="nofollow">Mere Christianity</a></i>, he urged his readers not to talk about the numerous divisions and denominations within Christianity when outsiders were listening, lest it discourage those people from coming to the faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommykey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommykey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I became an atheist, I still puzzled over what would cause an offshoot of Judaism to become the widespread religion of Christianity during the first few centuries of the common era.

While it doesn't explain the why, it occurred to me that the spread of Christianity in the Roman Empire is like a virus that for most of history was confined to the animal kingdom and then one day it crosses over and affects humans, like SIV to HIV, for example.  Whereas Judaism was essentially a religion that was exclusive to a group of people who defined themselves as Jews, Christianity had pretensions of universality for people of all nations.  Something caused a proto-Christianity to leap out of its Jewish confines, and spread throughout its host, the Roman Empire.  In fact, were it not for the Roman Empire conquering the Middle East, Christianity might never have happened.  And the Roman Empire itself made the perfect host for an aggressive and proselyzing religion.  It controlled a large territory that lacked an official state religion (the Romans tended to tolerate all religions, as long as the proper dues were paid to the emperor), and was connected by an excellent system of roads that facilitated travel throughout the empire.  When the Roman Empire began to be rocked in the 3rd century C.E. by civil wars, economic hardship, plagues, barbarian incursions and wars with the Persians, it was a perfect breeding ground for Christianity.  With the lot of the common people growing worse, a religion that offered a hope for a better world in the afterlife must have been quite appealing.

On the other hand, the other major power in the Middle East was Persia, which had as its state religion Zoroastrianism.  While there were Christian communities within the territory ruled by the Persians, it could not fare as well without the state support it would receive from the Roman government from the 4th century onward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I became an atheist, I still puzzled over what would cause an offshoot of Judaism to become the widespread religion of Christianity during the first few centuries of the common era.</p>
<p>While it doesn't explain the why, it occurred to me that the spread of Christianity in the Roman Empire is like a virus that for most of history was confined to the animal kingdom and then one day it crosses over and affects humans, like SIV to HIV, for example.  Whereas Judaism was essentially a religion that was exclusive to a group of people who defined themselves as Jews, Christianity had pretensions of universality for people of all nations.  Something caused a proto-Christianity to leap out of its Jewish confines, and spread throughout its host, the Roman Empire.  In fact, were it not for the Roman Empire conquering the Middle East, Christianity might never have happened.  And the Roman Empire itself made the perfect host for an aggressive and proselyzing religion.  It controlled a large territory that lacked an official state religion (the Romans tended to tolerate all religions, as long as the proper dues were paid to the emperor), and was connected by an excellent system of roads that facilitated travel throughout the empire.  When the Roman Empire began to be rocked in the 3rd century C.E. by civil wars, economic hardship, plagues, barbarian incursions and wars with the Persians, it was a perfect breeding ground for Christianity.  With the lot of the common people growing worse, a religion that offered a hope for a better world in the afterlife must have been quite appealing.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the other major power in the Middle East was Persia, which had as its state religion Zoroastrianism.  While there were Christian communities within the territory ruled by the Persians, it could not fare as well without the state support it would receive from the Roman government from the 4th century onward.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Weaver</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/a-religion-not-made-for-success.html#comment-12713</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a semi-related note (Christianity as a presecuted faith), I'm not sure if you've seen &lt;a href="http://skatje.com/?p=174" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a semi-related note (Christianity as a presecuted faith), I'm not sure if you've seen <a href="http://skatje.com/?p=174" rel="nofollow">this</a> yet.</p>
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		<title>By: James Bradbury</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/a-religion-not-made-for-success.html#comment-12710</link>
		<dc:creator>James Bradbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a number of people who might otherwise have been xians who were surprised to discover the sheer diversity of beliefs in the world, which gave them reason to begin questioning the (locally) established beliefs. I've often said that there are as many religions/belief systems in the world as there are people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a number of people who might otherwise have been xians who were surprised to discover the sheer diversity of beliefs in the world, which gave them reason to begin questioning the (locally) established beliefs. I've often said that there are as many religions/belief systems in the world as there are people.</p>
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