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	<title>Comments on: Little-Known Bible Verses V: God Creates Evil</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Bowen</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/little-known-bible-verses-v-god-creates-evil.html#comment-64711</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The other 232 times it is translated as &quot;wicked,&quot; &quot;bad,&quot; &quot;hurt,&quot; &quot;harm,&quot; &quot;ill,&quot; &quot;sorrow,&quot; &quot;mischief,&quot; &quot;displeased,&quot; &quot;adversity,&quot; &quot;affliction,&quot; &quot;trouble,&quot; &quot;calamity,&quot; &quot;grievous,&quot; &quot;misery,&quot; and &quot;trouble.&quot; So we can see that the word does not require that it be translated as &quot;evil.&quot; This is why different Bibles translate this verse differently. It is translated as &quot;calamity&quot; by the NASB and NKJV; &quot;disaster&quot; by the NIV; and &quot;woe&quot; by the RSV.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Could you explain which of these alternatives get us back to a benevolent (oops! sorry omni-benevolent) god?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The other 232 times it is translated as "wicked," "bad," "hurt," "harm," "ill," "sorrow," "mischief," "displeased," "adversity," "affliction," "trouble," "calamity," "grievous," "misery," and "trouble." So we can see that the word does not require that it be translated as "evil." This is why different Bibles translate this verse differently. It is translated as "calamity" by the NASB and NKJV; "disaster" by the NIV; and "woe" by the RSV."</p></blockquote>
<p>Could you explain which of these alternatives get us back to a benevolent (oops! sorry omni-benevolent) god?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh7</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for Tao Te Ching, or any other famous historical characters, ... Tao Te Ching may have been wise but he is underground now.&quot;

That&#039;s as smart as saying &quot;As for Deuteronomy, or any other famous historical characters...&quot; or &quot;Acts of the Apostles may have been wise but he ...&quot;  Google Lao Tsu before you make yourself look even sillier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"As for Tao Te Ching, or any other famous historical characters, ... Tao Te Ching may have been wise but he is underground now."</p>
<p>That's as smart as saying "As for Deuteronomy, or any other famous historical characters..." or "Acts of the Apostles may have been wise but he ..."  Google Lao Tsu before you make yourself look even sillier.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What part of the story isn&#039;t being told here? &lt;a href=&quot;http://carm.org/does-god-create-evil&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://carm.org/does-god-create-evil&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;..the Hebrew word for evil, &quot;rah,&quot; is used in many different ways in the Bible. In the KJV Bible it occurs &lt;b&gt;663 times&lt;/b&gt;. 431 times it is translated as &quot;evil.&quot; The other &lt;b&gt;232&lt;/b&gt; times it is translated as &quot;wicked,&quot; &quot;bad,&quot; &quot;hurt,&quot; &quot;harm,&quot; &quot;ill,&quot; &quot;sorrow,&quot; &quot;mischief,&quot; &quot;displeased,&quot; &quot;adversity,&quot; &quot;affliction,&quot; &quot;trouble,&quot; &quot;calamity,&quot; &quot;grievous,&quot; &quot;misery,&quot; and &quot;trouble.&quot; So we can see that the word does not require that it be translated as &quot;evil.&quot; This is why different Bibles translate this verse differently.  It is translated as &quot;calamity&quot; by the NASB and NKJV; &quot;disaster&quot; by the NIV; and &quot;woe&quot; by the RSV.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What part of the story isn't being told here? <a href="http://carm.org/does-god-create-evil" rel="nofollow">http://carm.org/does-god-create-evil</a></p>
<p>"..the Hebrew word for evil, "rah," is used in many different ways in the Bible. In the KJV Bible it occurs <b>663 times</b>. 431 times it is translated as "evil." The other <b>232</b> times it is translated as "wicked," "bad," "hurt," "harm," "ill," "sorrow," "mischief," "displeased," "adversity," "affliction," "trouble," "calamity," "grievous," "misery," and "trouble." So we can see that the word does not require that it be translated as "evil." This is why different Bibles translate this verse differently.  It is translated as "calamity" by the NASB and NKJV; "disaster" by the NIV; and "woe" by the RSV."</p>
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		<title>By: Modusoperandi</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/little-known-bible-verses-v-god-creates-evil.html#comment-55889</link>
		<dc:creator>Modusoperandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Ed&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;Of course he created evil. That&#039;s only logical.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
/me scratches &quot;omni-benevolent&quot; off of &lt;i&gt;List of God&#039;s attributes&lt;/i&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;If there&#039;s no God telling us to be kind, then I say its survival of the fittest. I should oppress as many as possible to make my own position better.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
Then by all means keep your religion. You&#039;ll still be a sociopath, but at least you won&#039;t be stabbing me or eating my lunch. Just try to avoid being Torquemada, Jerry Falwell or any of the many other massive douches whose religion gave their doucheyness extra force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ed</b> <i>"Of course he created evil. That's only logical."</i><br />
/me scratches "omni-benevolent" off of <i>List of God's attributes</i>.</p>
<p><i>"If there's no God telling us to be kind, then I say its survival of the fittest. I should oppress as many as possible to make my own position better."</i><br />
Then by all means keep your religion. You'll still be a sociopath, but at least you won't be stabbing me or eating my lunch. Just try to avoid being Torquemada, Jerry Falwell or any of the many other massive douches whose religion gave their doucheyness extra force.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter N</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/little-known-bible-verses-v-god-creates-evil.html#comment-55887</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Ed, are you saying that people who treat each other with kindness are doing so because of their religious beliefs, or that atheists are compelled to this behavior by the dictates of the supernatural creator we deny?

I want to know which argument to smack down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Ed, are you saying that people who treat each other with kindness are doing so because of their religious beliefs, or that atheists are compelled to this behavior by the dictates of the supernatural creator we deny?</p>
<p>I want to know which argument to smack down.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok so I read the piece; forgive me for not reading all the comments.  Why is it a problem for the Christian worldview that God would create evil?  It seems to be written from the standpoint that this should somehow unravel one&#039;s faith.  It doesn&#039;t at all.  I found myself saying duh!  Of course he created evil.  That&#039;s only logical.  

 On a different point, I love the conclusion.  &quot;the next step - a lifelong step - is to forsake fantasy, treat others with kindness and make the most of the one life we are fortunate to have.&quot;

Why is the next step to treat others with kindness?  We don&#039;t have to do that at all.  If there&#039;s no God telling us to be kind, then I say its survival of the fittest.  I should oppress as many as possible to make my own position better.  Millions throughout history have arrived at the same conclusion with horrific consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok so I read the piece; forgive me for not reading all the comments.  Why is it a problem for the Christian worldview that God would create evil?  It seems to be written from the standpoint that this should somehow unravel one's faith.  It doesn't at all.  I found myself saying duh!  Of course he created evil.  That's only logical.  </p>
<p> On a different point, I love the conclusion.  "the next step - a lifelong step - is to forsake fantasy, treat others with kindness and make the most of the one life we are fortunate to have."</p>
<p>Why is the next step to treat others with kindness?  We don't have to do that at all.  If there's no God telling us to be kind, then I say its survival of the fittest.  I should oppress as many as possible to make my own position better.  Millions throughout history have arrived at the same conclusion with horrific consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Thumpalumpacus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thumpalumpacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, Dan.  But when they post here, an unanswered post might be regarded by the uninformed as unanswerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Dan.  But when they post here, an unanswered post might be regarded by the uninformed as unanswerable.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so silly.  Logic and reason will get you nowhere with fanatics.  You know, the Christianists have no problem with a capricious sky god that creates both good and evil. They are hooked on Jesus and the comforting thought that they are saved and everyone else will burn mercilessly in hell.  &quot;The Lord is sovereign,&quot; they would say.  &quot;He can do whatever he wants, but I am saved, hallileulia..oshamashamama obadooba shlalopsola...! [translation: whose laughing now, you heathen motherfuckers!]&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so silly.  Logic and reason will get you nowhere with fanatics.  You know, the Christianists have no problem with a capricious sky god that creates both good and evil. They are hooked on Jesus and the comforting thought that they are saved and everyone else will burn mercilessly in hell.  "The Lord is sovereign," they would say.  "He can do whatever he wants, but I am saved, hallileulia..oshamashamama obadooba shlalopsola...! [translation: whose laughing now, you heathen motherfuckers!]"</p>
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		<title>By: Thumpalumpacus</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/little-known-bible-verses-v-god-creates-evil.html#comment-55765</link>
		<dc:creator>Thumpalumpacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The only thing true about me being a &quot;true&quot; Christian (as you say) is that I am saved by grace and not of some choice I made previously. Jesus Christ is a Spirit and He drew me to Himself. My decision to follow Him is rooted in the fact that He first loved me and now I choose to follow His ways and not my carnal mind. In fact, He did say that &quot;if He will be lifted in the Earth that He WILL draw men to Himself.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why is saving even needed?  Isn&#039;t God perfect?  How can we then be imperfect?  A perfect Carpenter builds a true cabinet, not a crooked one.

&lt;blockquote&gt;As for Tao Te Ching, or any other famous historical characters, Jesus Christ is the only way to the Creator of our universe. Oh yeah, Hw is also the only One to be raised from the dead! Tao Te Ching may have been wise but he is underground now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is apparent that your &quot;decision&quot; to follow Christ mentioned above was not an informed decision, and thus must be regarded as either social programming, or whim.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I suppose you are one of these thieves that Jesus mentioned because you have lifted you carnal, although intelligent, mind above the Lord Himself. You have to wonder why He chose me and not you? But don&#039;t fret He will draw you later.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Aside from the rude name-calling, I find your smugness to be both unChristian, and all too common in so-called believers.  Rather than preach here, go practice some apparently needed introspection.

eta:  Also, it wasn&#039;t the trees of &quot;good and evil&quot;; it was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and the Tree of Life.  And if God created evil in order for us to know the good, then why did he forbid Adam to eat from the Tree of Knowledge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The only thing true about me being a "true" Christian (as you say) is that I am saved by grace and not of some choice I made previously. Jesus Christ is a Spirit and He drew me to Himself. My decision to follow Him is rooted in the fact that He first loved me and now I choose to follow His ways and not my carnal mind. In fact, He did say that "if He will be lifted in the Earth that He WILL draw men to Himself."</p></blockquote>
<p>Why is saving even needed?  Isn't God perfect?  How can we then be imperfect?  A perfect Carpenter builds a true cabinet, not a crooked one.</p>
<blockquote><p>As for Tao Te Ching, or any other famous historical characters, Jesus Christ is the only way to the Creator of our universe. Oh yeah, Hw is also the only One to be raised from the dead! Tao Te Ching may have been wise but he is underground now.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is apparent that your "decision" to follow Christ mentioned above was not an informed decision, and thus must be regarded as either social programming, or whim.</p>
<blockquote><p>I suppose you are one of these thieves that Jesus mentioned because you have lifted you carnal, although intelligent, mind above the Lord Himself. You have to wonder why He chose me and not you? But don't fret He will draw you later.</p></blockquote>
<p>Aside from the rude name-calling, I find your smugness to be both unChristian, and all too common in so-called believers.  Rather than preach here, go practice some apparently needed introspection.</p>
<p>eta:  Also, it wasn't the trees of "good and evil"; it was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and the Tree of Life.  And if God created evil in order for us to know the good, then why did he forbid Adam to eat from the Tree of Knowledge?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fool has said in his heart there is no God&quot; quoth Kevin Howard.  It&#039;s telling that you regurgitated only the first half of Psalm 14:1.  The rest of the verse: &quot;They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.&quot;

That sentiment might have had some merit in the court of Saul, but to repeat it since the Enlightenment is nothing but propaganda and a flagrant lie.  There are millions of people doing good without God, including the outstanding humanist who hosts this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The fool has said in his heart there is no God" quoth Kevin Howard.  It's telling that you regurgitated only the first half of Psalm 14:1.  The rest of the verse: "They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."</p>
<p>That sentiment might have had some merit in the court of Saul, but to repeat it since the Enlightenment is nothing but propaganda and a flagrant lie.  There are millions of people doing good without God, including the outstanding humanist who hosts this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: OMGF</title>
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		<dc:creator>OMGF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Throughout history, many books and scholars have written about morals and ethics but there has been only one person to solve humanity&#039;s moral and ethical dilemma once and for all. Jesus Christ became a sacrifice for all of humanity by dying for all of us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh yeah?  OK, so maybe you can explain how killing an innocent person somehow makes up for &quot;sins&quot; committed by others?  Next time someone is convicted for murder, if an anonymous person who has committed no crime offers to do the convicted murderer&#039;s jail sentence, do you think that we should allow that to happen and set the murderer free?
&lt;blockquote&gt;Therefore, the blood of Christ destroyed death and His life provided an example of morals and ethics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So, if we see people doing things we don&#039;t like, we should fashion whips and attack them like Jesus does in John 2?  How about before we help people we should make them debase themselves and say that they are like dogs like Jesus does in Matt 15?  Or maybe any of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/on-the-character-of-jesus.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these other instances&lt;/a&gt; of immoral teachings?
&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh yeah, Hw is also the only One to be raised from the dead!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Except for all those other pesky gods that have also risen from the dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Throughout history, many books and scholars have written about morals and ethics but there has been only one person to solve humanity's moral and ethical dilemma once and for all. Jesus Christ became a sacrifice for all of humanity by dying for all of us.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh yeah?  OK, so maybe you can explain how killing an innocent person somehow makes up for "sins" committed by others?  Next time someone is convicted for murder, if an anonymous person who has committed no crime offers to do the convicted murderer's jail sentence, do you think that we should allow that to happen and set the murderer free?</p>
<blockquote><p>Therefore, the blood of Christ destroyed death and His life provided an example of morals and ethics.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, if we see people doing things we don't like, we should fashion whips and attack them like Jesus does in John 2?  How about before we help people we should make them debase themselves and say that they are like dogs like Jesus does in Matt 15?  Or maybe any of <a href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/on-the-character-of-jesus.html" rel="nofollow">these other instances</a> of immoral teachings?</p>
<blockquote><p>Oh yeah, Hw is also the only One to be raised from the dead!</p></blockquote>
<p>Except for all those other pesky gods that have also risen from the dead.</p>
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		<title>By: lpetrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>lpetrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Matthew 5:22: &quot;... But anyone who says, &#039;You fool!&#039; will be in danger of the fire of hell.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Matthew 5:22: "... But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."</p>
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