Comments on: The World Is Ending, Send Money http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:46:55 +0000 By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-24040 Ebonmuse Sun, 20 May 2007 15:25:13 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-24040 Billy: As Alex said, I have read the Bible. So have many other atheists, including many who were former Christians. We are nonbelievers in Christianity not because we haven't read the Bible, but because we <i>have</i> read it and know about all the evil, ugliness and contradictions it contains. Billy: As Alex said, I have read the Bible. So have many other atheists, including many who were former Christians. We are nonbelievers in Christianity not because we haven't read the Bible, but because we have read it and know about all the evil, ugliness and contradictions it contains.

]]> By: Alex Weaver http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-24038 Alex Weaver Sun, 20 May 2007 07:41:50 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-24038 Billy: Adam, along with many of the other commenters has read the Bible cover to cover. I have not yet gotten around to this, but I have read a great deal of it. I find your presumption that the only reason we might disagree with you is due to being ignorant of what you really believe obnoxious and offensive and your post above patronizing and superfluous. I'm sure I'm not alone. My suggestion: Read. Read the writings of actual atheists. At length. In depth. It really helps avoid those awkward situations where you find yourself making an argument they've already demolished repeatedly, or blathering a canard that fails the qualification of "argument" but has been similarly dealt with. Billy:

Adam, along with many of the other commenters has read the Bible cover to cover. I have not yet gotten around to this, but I have read a great deal of it. I find your presumption that the only reason we might disagree with you is due to being ignorant of what you really believe obnoxious and offensive and your post above patronizing and superfluous. I'm sure I'm not alone.

My suggestion: Read. Read the writings of actual atheists. At length. In depth. It really helps avoid those awkward situations where you find yourself making an argument they've already demolished repeatedly, or blathering a canard that fails the qualification of "argument" but has been similarly dealt with.

]]> By: Polly http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-24037 Polly Sun, 20 May 2007 06:52:10 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-24037 <blockquote>Read so that you can spot the lies. Don't read books about the Bible, read the Bible</blockquote> Many have done exactly that and based on that have come to the conclusion that it's not the word of any kind of god, but a tradition that was passed down by men. I will suggest to you that, though you may be reading the Bible, you are seeing its words through the religious (that is, Christian) establishment's lenses. There are many layers to the text. The ones you are talking about are probably those that the Church has read <i>into</i> the text, such as the Trinity, the prophecy of virgin birth of a savior, a Messiah who was to save the world from sin rather than Israel from foreign occupation, etc. I just hope that you'll change your mind and forget this Bible stuff. Read the Book of Mormon, just read it and you'll see. I mean you haven't even read the Koran, but you don't believe it. Does that make sense? Research the Vedas and Upanishads,man!!! Read so that you can spot the lies. Don't read books about the Avesta, read the Avesta. Ahura Mazda be with you. Namaste.

Read so that you can spot the lies. Don't read books about the Bible, read the Bible

Many have done exactly that and based on that have come to the conclusion that it's not the word of any kind of god, but a tradition that was passed down by men. I will suggest to you that, though you may be reading the Bible, you are seeing its words through the religious (that is, Christian) establishment's lenses. There are many layers to the text. The ones you are talking about are probably those that the Church has read into the text, such as the Trinity, the prophecy of virgin birth of a savior, a Messiah who was to save the world from sin rather than Israel from foreign occupation, etc.

I just hope that you'll change your mind and forget this Bible stuff. Read the Book of Mormon, just read it and you'll see. I mean you haven't even read the Koran, but you don't believe it. Does that make sense? Research the Vedas and Upanishads,man!!! Read so that you can spot the lies. Don't read books about the Avesta, read the Avesta.
Ahura Mazda be with you.
Namaste.

]]> By: Billy http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-24036 Billy Sun, 20 May 2007 04:12:16 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-24036 Ya know, I find it really funny how so many people will base their beliefs on the actions of other people. Pat Robertson says things that are wrong, so instead of just Pat Robertson being wrong now the whole Bible is wrong. How can the truth or false of thousands of years of scriptures and fulfilled prophesies have anything to do with what Pat Robertson says. Just because people are wrong does not mean that God is wrong. And just because someone identifies themself as a Christian does not mean that they really are. As for me, I could talk for days about how important it is to read. Read so that you understand from personal knowledge. Read so that you can spot the lies. Don't read books about the Bible, read the Bible. Learn how fine details are woven together like fine clothe over thousands of years and many generations. You can't begin to love a God that you don't even know. Read and learn about him. Read like your eternity depended on it, because it does. I don't want to pick a fight with any of you non believers. That is not my intent. I don't think I'm smarter than you or better than you. My only motivation is from love. I just want you to know that my prayers are with you. I pray that God will open your eyes before it to late, as he did for me. I remember I used to think, "how could people ever really know that God is real." The beautiful thing is that you can. Put some effort into it. By the way, no true Christian could ever kill people to bring about the end of the world, you have the wrong religion and it shows your ignorance by even making such a statement. Tell me, where on this planet do you find news reports of Christians blowing anyone up? The fundamental principals of your arguments are built on lack of knowlegde. But then again, your used to talking with people who have limited Biblical knowlege. You have never been properly challanged, intellectualy. You assume you don't believe the Bible... You haven't read it, but you don't believe it. Does that make sense? Research man!!! Make an effort, seek, or don't. But I will pray for you none the less. Have you noticed that the weather channel people are starting to sound like televangelists? Are you watching Israil? Read man, read! May God be with you.. you are all in my prayers. Ya know, I find it really funny how so many people will base their beliefs on the actions of other people. Pat Robertson says things that are wrong, so instead of just Pat Robertson being wrong now the whole Bible is wrong. How can the truth or false of thousands of years of scriptures and fulfilled prophesies have anything to do with what Pat Robertson says. Just because people are wrong does not mean that God is wrong. And just because someone identifies themself as a Christian does not mean that they really are. As for me, I could talk for days about how important it is to read. Read so that you understand from personal knowledge. Read so that you can spot the lies. Don't read books about the Bible, read the Bible. Learn how fine details are woven together like fine clothe over thousands of years and many generations. You can't begin to love a God that you don't even know. Read and learn about him. Read like your eternity depended on it, because it does. I don't want to pick a fight with any of you non believers. That is not my intent. I don't think I'm smarter than you or better than you. My only motivation is from love. I just want you to know that my prayers are with you. I pray that God will open your eyes before it to late, as he did for me. I remember I used to think, "how could people ever really know that God is real." The beautiful thing is that you can. Put some effort into it.
By the way, no true Christian could ever kill people to bring about the end of the world, you have the wrong religion and it shows your ignorance by even making such a statement. Tell me, where on this planet do you find news reports of Christians blowing anyone up? The fundamental principals of your arguments are built on lack of knowlegde. But then again, your used to talking with people who have limited Biblical knowlege. You have never been properly challanged, intellectualy. You assume you don't believe the Bible... You haven't read it, but you don't believe it. Does that make sense? Research man!!! Make an effort, seek, or don't. But I will pray for you none the less. Have you noticed that the weather channel people are starting to sound like televangelists? Are you watching Israil? Read man, read! May God be with you.. you are all in my prayers.

]]> By: Matt R http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-12137 Matt R Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:58:22 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-12137 Ebonmuse, <blockquote>…George Tamarin, an Israeli psychologist, had over one thousand Israeli school children, 8-14 years old, read the Biblical story of Joshua's sack of Jericho. He then asked the question "Do you think Joshua and the Israelites acted rightly or not? They had three choices: A) they approved of Joshua actions; B) they partially approved; C) they disapproved. 66% approved and 26% disapproved. The remainder (8%) partially approved. He then slightly modified the story by replacing Joshua with "General Lee" and Israel with "a Chinese kingdom 3,000 years ago." This time he asked for the same responses from a control group of 168 different Israeli children. Now 75% disapproved and only 7% approved of "General Lee's" actions. </blockquote> Remarkable! Where do you find this stuff? I find psychological experiments like this very interesting. We Humans certainly are funny creatures, aren't we? Matt R. Ebonmuse,

…George Tamarin, an Israeli psychologist, had over one thousand Israeli school children, 8-14 years old, read the Biblical story of Joshua's sack of Jericho. He then asked the question "Do you think Joshua and the Israelites acted rightly or not? They had three choices: A) they approved of Joshua actions; B) they partially approved; C) they disapproved. 66% approved and 26% disapproved. The remainder (8%) partially approved. He then slightly modified the story by replacing Joshua with "General Lee" and Israel with "a Chinese kingdom 3,000 years ago." This time he asked for the same responses from a control group of 168 different Israeli children. Now 75% disapproved and only 7% approved of "General Lee's" actions.

Remarkable! Where do you find this stuff? I find psychological experiments like this very interesting. We Humans certainly are funny creatures, aren't we?

Matt R.

]]> By: J http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-12032 J Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:03:57 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-12032 (Spoiler below, reader beware) Oh something else: Anyone read John Updike's novel <i>Toward the End of Time</i>? In it, the character finds himself slipping mentally in the lives of long-dead people. In one of them, he's an Irish monk at the end of the first millennium, BCE. He (the monk) thinks to himself, "Surely the world will end soon, for God would not allow there to be more numbers in the year than the trinity." That is, surely the world will end at midnight, December 31, 999 A.D., because otherwise there would be too many digits in the year. I know the medievals were HUGE into numerology. Anyone know if they actually believed this, though? (Spoiler below, reader beware)

Oh something else: Anyone read John Updike's novel Toward the End of Time? In it, the character finds himself slipping mentally in the lives of long-dead people. In one of them, he's an Irish monk at the end of the first millennium, BCE. He (the monk) thinks to himself, "Surely the world will end soon, for God would not allow there to be more numbers in the year than the trinity."

That is, surely the world will end at midnight, December 31, 999 A.D., because otherwise there would be too many digits in the year.

I know the medievals were HUGE into numerology. Anyone know if they actually believed this, though?

]]> By: J http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-12031 J Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:00:10 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-12031 <i>Pat Robertson has joined in the fun, predicting "mass killings" to occur on American soil due to a terrorist attack sometime this year</i> Meh. On another thread somewhere, years ago, about 20-some people and I all agreed on a new scientific axiom. It went something like this: "The sun rises and sets. The tide comes in and goes out. The Earth revolves around the Sun. And every 12-18 months, Pat Robertson will say something totally laughable and/or completely shameful in a naked effort to remind people he exists." <i>Abrahamic religions</i> Someone told me that, if you want to refer to Judaism, Christianity and Islam all together like this, the proper word is "Abramic" (3 syllables, not 4). Not sure if they're right or wrong or why. Anyone else? Pat Robertson has joined in the fun, predicting "mass killings" to occur on American soil due to a terrorist attack sometime this year

Meh. On another thread somewhere, years ago, about 20-some people and I all agreed on a new scientific axiom. It went something like this: "The sun rises and sets. The tide comes in and goes out. The Earth revolves around the Sun. And every 12-18 months, Pat Robertson will say something totally laughable and/or completely shameful in a naked effort to remind people he exists."

Abrahamic religions

Someone told me that, if you want to refer to Judaism, Christianity and Islam all together like this, the proper word is "Abramic" (3 syllables, not 4). Not sure if they're right or wrong or why. Anyone else?

]]> By: Alison http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-11975 Alison Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:06:52 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-11975 If they keep at it, maybe centuries from now, they'll be at least partially right. Probably not, though. The loonies predicting the second coming and the apocalypse don't scare me - the ones who are trying to hurry it along do. If they keep at it, maybe centuries from now, they'll be at least partially right. Probably not, though. The loonies predicting the second coming and the apocalypse don't scare me - the ones who are trying to hurry it along do.

]]> By: Jeff T. http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-11960 Jeff T. Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:27:03 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-11960 Ebon, I am not as optimistic about things as you are. Even the weather that you reference is probably a manifestation of impending global warming doom. With the arctic glaciers already melting at unbelievable paces---I think we have passed a major tripping point and are currently living on Venus II. Lol. On another note, the idiots believing in the second coming, tribulation, and ultimately Armeggedon probably include most of the Abrahamic religions which would bring this number to many hundreds of millions if not several billion people. Just as a person's private belief system can affect his own reality, I propose that the sheer willpower of so many will affect global reality by causing the very thing they are predicting---obviously without supernatural intervention. We can see this by the unparalleled support that America gives Israel just because for some reason, a vast majority of Americans believe that Israel is God's chosen. If an Israeli bulldozer runs over an American citizen, turn the other cheek. However, I admit that we all need to maintain a positive attitude. Perhaps in the near future, our merging as cyborgs with artificial intelligence will finally break our dependency on caveman belief systems and offer some solutions to the real problems facing our world. Ebon,
I am not as optimistic about things as you are. Even the weather that you reference is probably a manifestation of impending global warming doom. With the arctic glaciers already melting at unbelievable paces---I think we have passed a major tripping point and are currently living on Venus II. Lol.

On another note, the idiots believing in the second coming, tribulation, and ultimately Armeggedon probably include most of the Abrahamic religions which would bring this number to many hundreds of millions if not several billion people. Just as a person's private belief system can affect his own reality, I propose that the sheer willpower of so many will affect global reality by causing the very thing they are predicting---obviously without supernatural intervention. We can see this by the unparalleled support that America gives Israel just because for some reason, a vast majority of Americans believe that Israel is God's chosen. If an Israeli bulldozer runs over an American citizen, turn the other cheek.

However, I admit that we all need to maintain a positive attitude. Perhaps in the near future, our merging as cyborgs with artificial intelligence will finally break our dependency on caveman belief systems and offer some solutions to the real problems facing our world.

]]> By: Christopher http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-11958 Christopher Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:09:28 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/01/the-world-is-ending-send-money.html#comment-11958 Sooner or later these Apocolyse nuts are bound to hit the target date for our destruction, but until then let's party! Sooner or later these Apocolyse nuts are bound to hit the target date for our destruction, but until then let's party!

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