Comments on: FFRF at the Supreme Court http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Wed, 7 Jan 2009 00:00:59 +0000 By: Jerryd http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-27166 Jerryd Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:42:02 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-27166 FFRF lost that Supreme Court battle, as did all Americans who love and respect our Constitution. Here's a what if that I'm hoping someone can answer: What if President Bush decides that he has a better chance of getting the result he wants in Iraq if he converts to Islam? After that he decides that only Islamic faith-based programs will receive government support. Am I correct in assuming that his former Christian buddies are out in the cold? They would have no way to stop his diverting all the funds he wants toward his new-found religious cause? We, in fact, would thus have a complete dictatorship at this time as regards any expenditures the president wants to make on religion? If not, what exactly is the situation? FFRF lost that Supreme Court battle, as did all Americans who love and respect our Constitution. Here's a what if that I'm hoping someone can answer: What if President Bush decides that he has a better chance of getting the result he wants in Iraq if he converts to Islam? After that he decides that only Islamic faith-based programs will receive government support. Am I correct in assuming that his former Christian buddies are out in the cold? They would have no way to stop his diverting all the funds he wants toward his new-found religious cause? We, in fact, would thus have a complete dictatorship at this time as regards any expenditures the president wants to make on religion? If not, what exactly is the situation?

]]> By: Nes http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-27154 Nes Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:27:00 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-27154 I'm hardly a Biblical expert, but I would guess that the person was referring to <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/6.html#5" rel="nofollow">Matthew 6:5-6</a> <blockquote>And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father in secret shall reward thee openly.</blockquote> I'm hardly a Biblical expert, but I would guess that the person was referring to Matthew 6:5-6

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father in secret shall reward thee openly.

]]> By: Polly http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-27153 Polly Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:01:24 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-27153 @Christ Saves, I'm not sure what you mean by "prayer in school." No one is trying to prevent students who wish to pray on their own from doing so outside of instruction time. Indeed, I don't even think such a ban would be enforceable. It's only when teachers/administrators <i>force</i> everyone to pray that it becomes a vioation of students' rights. What if the prayer is to someone YOU don't believe in? Would you like it if kids were supposed to bow their heads every morning for prayer to Allah in public schools? What if a school district or even a single school has a majority of Muslims in it? Or Jews, or Hindus, etc? Should the prayer be to that god? What's wrong with reserving class time just for education and leaving the religious practices to each individual on their own time? There are private schools if one wants to indoctrinate their children. State schools are for ALL citizens, not just Christian ones. @Christ Saves,

I'm not sure what you mean by "prayer in school." No one is trying to prevent students who wish to pray on their own from doing so outside of instruction time. Indeed, I don't even think such a ban would be enforceable. It's only when teachers/administrators force everyone to pray that it becomes a vioation of students' rights.

What if the prayer is to someone YOU don't believe in? Would you like it if kids were supposed to bow their heads every morning for prayer to Allah in public schools? What if a school district or even a single school has a majority of Muslims in it? Or Jews, or Hindus, etc? Should the prayer be to that god?

What's wrong with reserving class time just for education and leaving the religious practices to each individual on their own time? There are private schools if one wants to indoctrinate their children. State schools are for ALL citizens, not just Christian ones.

]]> By: Christ Saves http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-27151 Christ Saves Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:11:07 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-27151 I was reading the ffrf.org page, when i saw that there was a comment that said "Even Jesus was against prayer in schools!" Uh NO HE WASN'T and ISN'T!!!! TAKE A LOOK IN THE BIBLE! Im a student who is doing a project on whether state and prayer should be seperated. I was very offened by the things on your page. And I am a PROJESUS!!!!! I believe that prayer in school is a great thing and feel strongly about this matter! :) JESUS LOVES YOU THANK YOU I was reading the ffrf.org page, when i saw that there was a comment that said "Even Jesus was against prayer in schools!" Uh NO HE WASN'T and ISN'T!!!! TAKE A LOOK IN THE BIBLE! Im a student who is doing a project on whether state and prayer should be seperated. I was very offened by the things on your page. And I am a PROJESUS!!!!! I believe that prayer in school is a great thing and feel strongly about this matter! :) JESUS LOVES YOU THANK YOU

]]> By: paleoguy http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-25792 paleoguy Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:44:22 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-25792 Why do churches need government funding. They are rich from bilking their flocks of their income. Why don't they build more humble abodes and use whats left over for their shenanigans? Why do churches need government funding. They are rich from bilking their flocks of their income. Why don't they build more humble abodes and use whats left over for their shenanigans?

]]> By: rory ward http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-22716 rory ward Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:24:48 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-22716 I listen to you on 92.1 FM and agree with your (FFRF) principles and rational approach to questions. I listen to you on 92.1 FM and agree with your (FFRF) principles and rational approach to questions.

]]> By: John Lloyd http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-18864 John Lloyd Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:45:17 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-18864 It's 7 March and we'll surely have to wait a bit to hear the decision on Hain. But, while we're waiting for the decision on this one, at least we can celebrate the anniversary of the McCollum decision tomorrow. It's 7 March and we'll surely have to wait a bit to hear the decision on Hain. But, while we're waiting for the decision on this one, at least we can celebrate the anniversary of the McCollum decision tomorrow.

]]> By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-17642 Ebonmuse Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:25:40 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-17642 That's wonderful, Andrea! Your country thanks you. :) That's wonderful, Andrea! Your country thanks you. :)

]]> By: Oz http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-17636 Oz Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:06:17 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-17636 Any government program is inherently funded by all taxpayers. Claims that only some individual taxpayers are funding certain things are false because the revenue from the other taxpayers frees up the money to spend on the disputed project. Let's say I drive home and my mom gives me cash for gas money, since she enjoys my visits. If I pay for my gas with a debit card and use the cash for groceries, have I violated her intent? Any government program is inherently funded by all taxpayers. Claims that only some individual taxpayers are funding certain things are false because the revenue from the other taxpayers frees up the money to spend on the disputed project.

Let's say I drive home and my mom gives me cash for gas money, since she enjoys my visits. If I pay for my gas with a debit card and use the cash for groceries, have I violated her intent?

]]> By: andrea http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-17536 andrea Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:28:09 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/ffrf-at-the-supreme-court.html#comment-17536 well, after dithering for years, I have just signed up as a member of FFRF. It's nice having some income that I can now put to causes like this. well, after dithering for years, I have just signed up as a member of FFRF. It's nice having some income that I can now put to causes like this.

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