Comments on: Movie Review: Jesus Camp http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:33:34 +0000 By: OMGF http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-35418 OMGF Fri, 09 May 2008 14:37:08 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-35418 Patrick, After reading your blog entry, I think you seriously don't understand what the movie was about. It was about Jesus Camp and the people who send their kids there, not about all Xians in general. I understand that it got your hackles up to think that all Xians were being smeared with the actions of the Jesus Camp people, but there's no indication in there that the film-makers were focusing on anyone outside of this group. Patrick,
After reading your blog entry, I think you seriously don't understand what the movie was about. It was about Jesus Camp and the people who send their kids there, not about all Xians in general. I understand that it got your hackles up to think that all Xians were being smeared with the actions of the Jesus Camp people, but there's no indication in there that the film-makers were focusing on anyone outside of this group.

]]> By: patrick http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-35399 patrick Thu, 08 May 2008 19:06:32 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-35399 i appreciate that the makers of Jesus Camp let the people interviewed do all the talking, but of course they were selective about this; over all, there is some useful truth in this flick... as long as it's taken with a grain (or maybe a bucket) of salt i appreciate that the makers of Jesus Camp let the people interviewed do all the talking, but of course they were selective about this; over all, there is some useful truth in this flick... as long as it's taken with a grain (or maybe a bucket) of salt

]]> By: Polly http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-24321 Polly Wed, 30 May 2007 19:00:14 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-24321 <blockquote>I wonder how many teens, who are pressured into making chastity vows, really abide by them. </blockquote> Ah, just as I suspected. Thanks, <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2167293/" rel="nofollow">Slate</a>

I wonder how many teens, who are pressured into making chastity vows, really abide by them.

Ah, just as I suspected. Thanks, Slate

]]> By: Dennis http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-24300 Dennis Wed, 30 May 2007 05:56:43 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-24300 I watched this one a while back. It is what I call a straight documentary. No background music. No graphics. But even without those it still ends up being a horror movie. At a certain point I really became scared of this Jesus guy. At one point I became upset because the documentary had some scary music. I wondered why the documentary makers were trying to manipulate me that way. Then the camera turned and I realized the scary music was for the kids. With camps like these who needs hell?! One kid was shown reading the Lord of the Rings. Then the camp leader calls out Harry Potter as an evil warlock. Sweet. Maybe those books are better than I thought. The very worst part is when the camp leader explained that muslims train their children to die for islam. And she wanted to raise up kids that were willing to die for Jesus. If this doesn't scare the Jesus out of you then nothing will. I wonder how pony-tail kid feels about shaking Haggarts hand now that he knows where its been. Nothing worse than a gay bashing, god pilfering guy like that. If I had no scruples I would open up a church too. I watched this one a while back. It is what I call a straight documentary. No background music. No graphics. But even without those it still ends up being a horror movie. At a certain point I really became scared of this Jesus guy. At one point I became upset because the documentary had some scary music. I wondered why the documentary makers were trying to manipulate me that way. Then the camera turned and I realized the scary music was for the kids. With camps like these who needs hell?! One kid was shown reading the Lord of the Rings. Then the camp leader calls out Harry Potter as an evil warlock. Sweet. Maybe those books are better than I thought. The very worst part is when the camp leader explained that muslims train their children to die for islam. And she wanted to raise up kids that were willing to die for Jesus. If this doesn't scare the Jesus out of you then nothing will. I wonder how pony-tail kid feels about shaking Haggarts hand now that he knows where its been. Nothing worse than a gay bashing, god pilfering guy like that. If I had no scruples I would open up a church too.

]]> By: Jeff Lemmon http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-14948 Jeff Lemmon Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:28:10 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-14948 Wow. I'm a Christian (Or "Xian" if you wish) since 1984, and I think I've seen it all inside the church. The described behaviour really saddens me too. I've been through the charismatic/word of faith/hyper faith/evangelical/ super prosperity "mill" and came out really burned. Funny thing is, eventhough I don't belong with "them" in thier eyes anymore, I find myself believing in and loving Y'shua (Jesus, but Y'shua is His real Jewish name, you know)stronger and deeper than ever. I drink beer, go to bars, listen to good bands.. sinner! Heheheheh. Love people right where they are, unconditionally... compromiser!!!! ;] I don't fear the future, the truth or death. I'm happy. No one, not even me, is my judge, but God. This is peace. Hey, can you do me favour? Please stop saying "fall from grace". That doesn't mean what people mean it to mean. Grace is: The company says if you are late once, you're fired. Your boss likes you and punches you in everyday on time, even if you're not on time. Falling from grace is insisting that you punch in yourself, screwing up that one time, and losing your job. That's a paraphrase from the book of Galatians Peace out Wow. I'm a Christian (Or "Xian" if you wish) since 1984, and I think I've seen it all inside the church. The described behaviour really saddens me too. I've been through the charismatic/word of faith/hyper faith/evangelical/ super prosperity "mill" and came out really burned. Funny thing is, eventhough I don't belong with "them" in thier eyes anymore, I find myself believing in and loving Y'shua (Jesus, but Y'shua is His real Jewish name, you know)stronger and deeper than ever. I drink beer, go to bars, listen to good bands.. sinner! Heheheheh. Love people right where they are, unconditionally... compromiser!!!!
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I don't fear the future, the truth or death. I'm happy. No one, not even me, is my judge, but God. This is peace.
Hey, can you do me favour? Please stop saying "fall from grace". That doesn't mean what people mean it to mean.
Grace is: The company says if you are late once, you're fired. Your boss likes you and punches you in everyday on time, even if you're not on time. Falling from grace is insisting that you punch in yourself, screwing up that one time, and losing your job.
That's a paraphrase from the book of Galatians
Peace out

]]> By: fran http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-14917 fran Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:33:22 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-14917 Part of the appeal of right wing religion is the supposition that you can never be lonely with (now look behind you )this many like minded folks in your life . Peers who are prepped for heaven just waiting on a train. I am convinced that most people who attend the services don't actually believe in the mystification of the divine or the supernatural ghost stories . They would much rather pretend to believe and have friends that they faced indoctrination with and feel safe around . Preachers emphasize violence and evil for a reason. They are telling people hey listen if you want to feel safe then just follow our lead and we will protect you . Magic has always been the mainstay of religion . Part of the appeal of right wing religion is the supposition that you can never be lonely with (now look behind you )this many like minded folks in your life . Peers who are prepped for heaven just waiting on a train. I am convinced that most people who attend the services don't actually believe in the mystification of the divine or the supernatural ghost stories . They would much rather pretend to believe and have friends that they faced indoctrination with and feel safe around . Preachers emphasize violence and evil for a reason. They are telling people hey listen if you want to feel safe then just follow our lead and we will protect you . Magic has always been the mainstay of religion .

]]> By: Polly http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-14644 Polly Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:32:29 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-14644 This movie is on my list. I wouldn't worry too much about the kids. The intensity of the indoctrination betrays the lack of faith in the kids' ability to abide by the (s)creeds being pushed on them. Once they're in the real world, they'll quickly see through the charade. The intial brainwashing will at least be considerably watered-down. I wonder how many teens, who are pressured into making chastity vows, really abide by them. This movie is on my list.
I wouldn't worry too much about the kids. The intensity of the indoctrination betrays the lack of faith in the kids' ability to abide by the (s)creeds being pushed on them. Once they're in the real world, they'll quickly see through the charade. The intial brainwashing will at least be considerably watered-down. I wonder how many teens, who are pressured into making chastity vows, really abide by them.

]]> By: Nes http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-14523 Nes Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:27:41 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-14523 <a href="http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/ghost.html" rel="nofollow">What soul?</a> While it is possible that there is such a thing that can leave the body and go flying around, there's also much that we don't know yet about the functioning of the brain. It is possible that all such experiences are just a glitch in the brain. Given Ebon's excellent article on the idea of the soul (with a conclusion I had reached on my own some time before reading it, though he argues it in a much more compelling and eloquent way than I could), I currently lean quite heavily towards a material explanation for such experiences. I would also direct your attention towards <a href="http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050709/bob9.asp" rel="nofollow">sleep paralysis</a> as an example of brain glitches that cause scenarios that seem absolutely real to the one experiencing them. What soul? While it is possible that there is such a thing that can leave the body and go flying around, there's also much that we don't know yet about the functioning of the brain. It is possible that all such experiences are just a glitch in the brain. Given Ebon's excellent article on the idea of the soul (with a conclusion I had reached on my own some time before reading it, though he argues it in a much more compelling and eloquent way than I could), I currently lean quite heavily towards a material explanation for such experiences. I would also direct your attention towards sleep paralysis as an example of brain glitches that cause scenarios that seem absolutely real to the one experiencing them.

]]> By: Paul S. http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-14505 Paul S. Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:11:35 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-14505 If one does not believe in any religion or higher power but is willing to have an open mind and wants to get a taste or experience of what is in store his/her soul I suggest they contact www.metaphysical-journey.com. Believers and non-believers can enrich their knowledge through an actual experience. If one does not believe in any religion or higher power but is willing to have an open mind and wants to get a taste or experience of what is in store his/her soul I suggest they contact http://www.metaphysical-journey.com.

Believers and non-believers can enrich their knowledge through an actual experience.

]]> By: milkywayinhabitant http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-13362 milkywayinhabitant Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:52:05 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/02/jesus-camp.html#comment-13362 I watched a clip of this recently in which the people were praying for the electricity to stay on or something. It was absurd but caused a nice belly laugh at the same time. Have you seen the HBO documentary "Friends of God"? It was made by Alexandra Pelosi. It's only about an hour long but it is shocking as well. I found myself arguing out loud with the people on screen...it's that kind of movie. I watched a clip of this recently in which the people were praying for the electricity to stay on or something. It was absurd but caused a nice belly laugh at the same time.

Have you seen the HBO documentary "Friends of God"? It was made by Alexandra Pelosi. It's only about an hour long but it is shocking as well. I found myself arguing out loud with the people on screen...it's that kind of movie.

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