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	<title>Comments on: Book Review: Survival of the Sickest</title>
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		<title>By: Valhar2000</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/03/survival-of-the-sickest.html#comment-34628</link>
		<dc:creator>Valhar2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Storm, check out Ebon's link to the website about Aquatic Apes. It will answer those concerns quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Storm, check out Ebon's link to the website about Aquatic Apes. It will answer those concerns quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: Storm</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/03/survival-of-the-sickest.html#comment-33122</link>
		<dc:creator>Storm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not really familiar with the aquatic ape theory however for the person who stated that humans are not natural swimmers and should have web fingers -- unless I'm mistaken we do have web fingers and toes. Some of us have slight webs and others have more pronounced webbing between our fingers and toes. Unless hoved most animals such as dogs, cats and other mammals also have this webbing. As for being natural swmmers -- many women have elected to have their children in a tub with the baby being born under water. Babies, when given the opportunity, are great swimmers. Perhaps not at the level of a fish but then again we've been evolving on land for a few million years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not really familiar with the aquatic ape theory however for the person who stated that humans are not natural swimmers and should have web fingers -- unless I'm mistaken we do have web fingers and toes. Some of us have slight webs and others have more pronounced webbing between our fingers and toes. Unless hoved most animals such as dogs, cats and other mammals also have this webbing. As for being natural swmmers -- many women have elected to have their children in a tub with the baby being born under water. Babies, when given the opportunity, are great swimmers. Perhaps not at the level of a fish but then again we've been evolving on land for a few million years.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/03/survival-of-the-sickest.html#comment-29322</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on a recent comment on &lt;a href="http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2007/12/sharon-moalem-exposed.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Sandwalk&lt;/a&gt;, I think I may have to revise my opinion of this book somewhat. It seems that Sharon Moalem is a medical student, not a doctor (I have to say that I got a completely contrary impression from his book, which I suspect is deliberate). He's also an Orthodox Jewish convert who doubts the ability of unguided evolution to account for the existence of the human species. Worst, if the Sandwalk post is accurate, it appears he's been censoring critical comments on his own blog.

While the science in most of his book is still relatively uncontroversial, I have to wonder if the parts I criticized were evidence of a deeper underlying problem, rather than simple missteps. I'm glad I registered skepticism toward his hypothesis of diabetes as an adaptation to cold, which I still find to be dubious, and his endorsement of the aquatic ape hypothesis, which I think is total bunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on a recent comment on <a href="http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2007/12/sharon-moalem-exposed.html" rel="nofollow">Sandwalk</a>, I think I may have to revise my opinion of this book somewhat. It seems that Sharon Moalem is a medical student, not a doctor (I have to say that I got a completely contrary impression from his book, which I suspect is deliberate). He's also an Orthodox Jewish convert who doubts the ability of unguided evolution to account for the existence of the human species. Worst, if the Sandwalk post is accurate, it appears he's been censoring critical comments on his own blog.</p>
<p>While the science in most of his book is still relatively uncontroversial, I have to wonder if the parts I criticized were evidence of a deeper underlying problem, rather than simple missteps. I'm glad I registered skepticism toward his hypothesis of diabetes as an adaptation to cold, which I still find to be dubious, and his endorsement of the aquatic ape hypothesis, which I think is total bunk.</p>
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		<title>By: ds</title>
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		<dc:creator>ds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humans are the most aquatic ape, right? Duh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humans are the most aquatic ape, right? Duh.</p>
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		<title>By: E.B.</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/03/survival-of-the-sickest.html#comment-22553</link>
		<dc:creator>E.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...human beings lack a particular trait that would be far better evidence of aquatic origin than any of these, and one that we would certainly expect to be widespread if our ancestors evolved in the water: webbed hands.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My uncle had webbed hands. He always was kind of ape-like too... Is there a connection?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>...human beings lack a particular trait that would be far better evidence of aquatic origin than any of these, and one that we would certainly expect to be widespread if our ancestors evolved in the water: webbed hands.</p></blockquote>
<p>My uncle had webbed hands. He always was kind of ape-like too... Is there a connection?!</p>
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		<title>By: Archi Medez</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/03/survival-of-the-sickest.html#comment-22552</link>
		<dc:creator>Archi Medez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.

"Dr. Moalem discusses this example at length, as well as a similar genetic disorder called favism, an enzyme deficiency which produces severe anemia if its carrier consumes fava beans. Favism, like the sickle-cell gene, has become extremely common in some populations because it protects against malaria." --Ebonmuse

A strong piece of evidence to add against the Design argument.

"I do not think Dr. Moalem is ignorant or a bad scientist. Instead, I think this is an example of an all-too-common phenomenon: the scientist who ventures outside their field of expertise and ends up making mistakes that an expert would have been able to point out." --Ebonmuse

Yes. This problem is fairly easy to fix in advance. The author or editor should consult some experts in the appropriate fields before publishing the final product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.</p>
<p>"Dr. Moalem discusses this example at length, as well as a similar genetic disorder called favism, an enzyme deficiency which produces severe anemia if its carrier consumes fava beans. Favism, like the sickle-cell gene, has become extremely common in some populations because it protects against malaria." --Ebonmuse</p>
<p>A strong piece of evidence to add against the Design argument.</p>
<p>"I do not think Dr. Moalem is ignorant or a bad scientist. Instead, I think this is an example of an all-too-common phenomenon: the scientist who ventures outside their field of expertise and ends up making mistakes that an expert would have been able to point out." --Ebonmuse</p>
<p>Yes. This problem is fairly easy to fix in advance. The author or editor should consult some experts in the appropriate fields before publishing the final product.</p>
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		<title>By: valhar2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>valhar2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the website Adam linked has answered that particular question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the website Adam linked has answered that particular question.</p>
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		<title>By: valhar2000</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/03/survival-of-the-sickest.html#comment-22546</link>
		<dc:creator>valhar2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How aquatic were the apes?

I have read descriptions of semi-aquatic ape theories, so to speak, which postutale populations of ape-like creatures that lived on land but frequently swam in the ocean or in lakes. I have never heard of fully aquatic ancestors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How aquatic were the apes?</p>
<p>I have read descriptions of semi-aquatic ape theories, so to speak, which postutale populations of ape-like creatures that lived on land but frequently swam in the ocean or in lakes. I have never heard of fully aquatic ancestors.</p>
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		<title>By: lpetrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>lpetrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more usual hypothesis for the origin of diabetes is the "Thrifty Gene Hypothesis", which states that it is a side effect of metabolism being adjusted for surviving starvation conditions, when it is necessary to retain as much sugar as possible. But when one is well-fed, that adjustment proves maladaptive.

There's a similar hypothesis for obesity, that it's a side effect of trying to survive starvation conditions.

There's also the "hygiene hypothesis", which states that too much cleanliness can cause allergies, as a result of our immune systems not having enough targets.

More directly parallel to the anti-malaraia adaptations mentioned are Tay-Sachs, which is proposed to be an anti-tuberculosis adaptation, and cystic fibrosis, which is likely an anti-diarrhea adaptation.

Some microbes, like the cholera bacterium, spread themselves by giving their hosts diarrhea. They make their hosts' intestinal-lining cells' chloride-ion molecular pumps much more active, and more chloride ion being pumped out means more water diffusing out by osmosis. This means more fluid for the microbes to spread in. However, diarrhea can cause one to be dehydrated, which is a Bad Thing.

Cystic fibrosis involves the opposite condition; cells' chloride-ion pumps are much less active than usual, which produces CF's other symptoms. This would counteract diarrhea microbes' attempts to induce diarrhea to make those pumps more active.

Our beloved and late Allan Glenn had suffered from that condition, sad to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more usual hypothesis for the origin of diabetes is the "Thrifty Gene Hypothesis", which states that it is a side effect of metabolism being adjusted for surviving starvation conditions, when it is necessary to retain as much sugar as possible. But when one is well-fed, that adjustment proves maladaptive.</p>
<p>There's a similar hypothesis for obesity, that it's a side effect of trying to survive starvation conditions.</p>
<p>There's also the "hygiene hypothesis", which states that too much cleanliness can cause allergies, as a result of our immune systems not having enough targets.</p>
<p>More directly parallel to the anti-malaraia adaptations mentioned are Tay-Sachs, which is proposed to be an anti-tuberculosis adaptation, and cystic fibrosis, which is likely an anti-diarrhea adaptation.</p>
<p>Some microbes, like the cholera bacterium, spread themselves by giving their hosts diarrhea. They make their hosts' intestinal-lining cells' chloride-ion molecular pumps much more active, and more chloride ion being pumped out means more water diffusing out by osmosis. This means more fluid for the microbes to spread in. However, diarrhea can cause one to be dehydrated, which is a Bad Thing.</p>
<p>Cystic fibrosis involves the opposite condition; cells' chloride-ion pumps are much less active than usual, which produces CF's other symptoms. This would counteract diarrhea microbes' attempts to induce diarrhea to make those pumps more active.</p>
<p>Our beloved and late Allan Glenn had suffered from that condition, sad to say.</p>
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		<title>By: King Aardvark</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Aardvark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also with the AAH, why should we lose our hair if we start to swim?  Lots of mammals that spend time in the water still have hair, like the otter, though it becomes greasier.  Also, we can only hold our breath for ~2 minutes on average, not great by any means.  Still, the webbed fingers would probably revert back to non-webbed in a very short amount of time.  

We can become pretty good swimmers, but it's not natural.  I was a competitive swimmer for 9 years in my youth - it takes a lot of work.

Still, the first part of the book sounds good.  Never heard the diabetes hypothesis though.  Does he have any research behind this hypothesis (other than the frog analogy) or is it mere speculation?  

Darwin warned against speculation - speculation is well and good, but if you want to be taken seriously, you must have the evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also with the AAH, why should we lose our hair if we start to swim?  Lots of mammals that spend time in the water still have hair, like the otter, though it becomes greasier.  Also, we can only hold our breath for ~2 minutes on average, not great by any means.  Still, the webbed fingers would probably revert back to non-webbed in a very short amount of time.  </p>
<p>We can become pretty good swimmers, but it's not natural.  I was a competitive swimmer for 9 years in my youth - it takes a lot of work.</p>
<p>Still, the first part of the book sounds good.  Never heard the diabetes hypothesis though.  Does he have any research behind this hypothesis (other than the frog analogy) or is it mere speculation?  </p>
<p>Darwin warned against speculation - speculation is well and good, but if you want to be taken seriously, you must have the evidence.</p>
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