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	<title>Comments on: Atheist Charity</title>
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		<title>By: Bonehead</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheist-charity.html#comment-65997</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 09:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). And, consistent with the findings of other writers, these data show that practicing a religion is more important than the actual religion itself in predicting charitable behavior. source: http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Uncharitableness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). And, consistent with the findings of other writers, these data show that practicing a religion is more important than the actual religion itself in predicting charitable behavior. source: <a href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Uncharitableness" rel="nofollow">http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Uncharitableness</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheist-charity.html#comment-62835</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 02:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, wrong link, here it is: http://bit.ly/fVnIIz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, wrong link, here it is: <a href="http://bit.ly/fVnIIz" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/fVnIIz</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheist-charity.html#comment-62834</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 01:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Research is against the atheists on this one, as William Lane Craig explains: http://bit.ly/Z4l6e

See the book &quot;Who Really Cares.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Research is against the atheists on this one, as William Lane Craig explains: <a href="http://bit.ly/Z4l6e" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/Z4l6e</a></p>
<p>See the book "Who Really Cares."</p>
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		<title>By: Jaylin</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheist-charity.html#comment-56203</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaylin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a part of a local Freethinkers group.  At our December meeting titled &quot;Festivus&quot;, one particular female in the group of ~40 people took it upon herself to pay everyone&#039;s bill.  We meet at a local restaurant and normally everyone pays their own bills.  We eat lunch and some people drink during most of meetings.  I heard the bill was ~$450.  Imagine our surprise when we each walked out to pay our bills only to be told that someone has already paid it.  Upon further inquiry, all the hostess would tell us was that is was a female in our group.  As far as I know, we never did find out who did this.  One lady even called it....our own little miracle.  It sure was nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a part of a local Freethinkers group.  At our December meeting titled "Festivus", one particular female in the group of ~40 people took it upon herself to pay everyone's bill.  We meet at a local restaurant and normally everyone pays their own bills.  We eat lunch and some people drink during most of meetings.  I heard the bill was ~$450.  Imagine our surprise when we each walked out to pay our bills only to be told that someone has already paid it.  Upon further inquiry, all the hostess would tell us was that is was a female in our group.  As far as I know, we never did find out who did this.  One lady even called it....our own little miracle.  It sure was nice.</p>
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		<title>By: kazekial</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheist-charity.html#comment-50184</link>
		<dc:creator>kazekial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesnt matter what your background is or what you believe, what matters is that you care enough about other people to either contribute to an existing organization to help others in need.  All too often I have run into a bar room conversation about changing the world and no parties are involved in anything that puts thier money wher thier mouth is.  I am a Christian, but not a fan of religion.  I use the church as a means to participate in my community and make a difference.  Whether those efforts be through food drives, supporting others in the church, or whatever; these opportunities would be less accesible to me if I was not part of an organization.  The most valuable thing that you can give is your time.  There are organizatins like the Elks lodge and similar fraternities that are not bias towards your faith or beliefs and function as a good means to help out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesnt matter what your background is or what you believe, what matters is that you care enough about other people to either contribute to an existing organization to help others in need.  All too often I have run into a bar room conversation about changing the world and no parties are involved in anything that puts thier money wher thier mouth is.  I am a Christian, but not a fan of religion.  I use the church as a means to participate in my community and make a difference.  Whether those efforts be through food drives, supporting others in the church, or whatever; these opportunities would be less accesible to me if I was not part of an organization.  The most valuable thing that you can give is your time.  There are organizatins like the Elks lodge and similar fraternities that are not bias towards your faith or beliefs and function as a good means to help out.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheist-charity.html#comment-47998</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are Agnostic. Gates said that he isn&#039;t sure about God and Buffet has described himself as Agnostic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are Agnostic. Gates said that he isn't sure about God and Buffet has described himself as Agnostic.</p>
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		<title>By: Rightintheface</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheist-charity.html#comment-42547</link>
		<dc:creator>Rightintheface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Christian, I distance myself from those I don&#039;t agree with too. I vehemently oppose persecution of others under the banner of religion. I strongly support equal rights, gay marriage, equal roles for men and women in the home, etc. 

I have nothing in common with Pat Robertson. I never argue that mine is even the &quot;right&quot; path. It&#039;s simply right for me. However, from an anthropological point of view it might be interesting to discuss. I wonder, without the early sun worship and such, which we know was instrumental in the formation of early social groups, what would culture look like today? I&#039;m sure you could construct a scenario in which religion was unnecessary, but that still, IMO, wouldn&#039;t make it irrelevant or keep people from choosing it. I have HBO, and that&#039;s entirely unnecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Christian, I distance myself from those I don't agree with too. I vehemently oppose persecution of others under the banner of religion. I strongly support equal rights, gay marriage, equal roles for men and women in the home, etc. </p>
<p>I have nothing in common with Pat Robertson. I never argue that mine is even the "right" path. It's simply right for me. However, from an anthropological point of view it might be interesting to discuss. I wonder, without the early sun worship and such, which we know was instrumental in the formation of early social groups, what would culture look like today? I'm sure you could construct a scenario in which religion was unnecessary, but that still, IMO, wouldn't make it irrelevant or keep people from choosing it. I have HBO, and that's entirely unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheist-charity.html#comment-42485</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RITF, do we really come off as wanting religion to be invisible? I want the exact opposite! I want it visible, exposed and bare! This is why I like the idea that people should talk about religion, and not pretend it&#039;s an invisible facet of society that supercedes otherwise normal scrutiny and criticism. On the flip side, though, I don&#039;t want the government specifically promoting religion. (School prayer, hand-on-scripture oaths, legislative prayer and chaplain, &quot;In God We Trust&quot; and &quot;Under God,&quot; et cetera.)

If you only see &quot;It&#039;s not okay to think what you think,&quot; then you aren&#039;t looking deeper than the surface. Bottom line, the point isn&#039;t to attack belief all by itself, but the generally-accepted ignorant and naive basis for it: faith. The idea is that atheism rationally follows. When it comes to matters of supernatural belief and personal practices, true freethinkers don&#039;t like sheep mentalities and true skeptics won&#039;t accept pitiful answers and arguments, and that is why atheists speak out against these things. When nonbelievers ridicule believers, it is not &lt;i&gt;just&lt;/i&gt; because of belief, but also the lack of foundation for such belief that is so widespread. I don&#039;t always condone or condemn insult, but criticism has a right to exist wherever it is beckoned. 

Lastly, the brunt of secular ridicule isn&#039;t wholly on religious people, but &lt;i&gt;religion&lt;/i&gt;. It&#039;s the institution that bugs us, and it&#039;s the institution we desire to root out. On the topic of Stalin, I quote from &lt;a&gt;Red Crimes&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;... the smoke of the burning Twin Towers, the vicious sectarian bloodletting that has burst out along religious lines in Iraq, the barbaric and regressive human-rights violations of authoritarian theocracies around the world, the ongoing (though largely unreported) campaign of religiously motivated terrorism toward family-planning clinics, the continuing vicious discrimination and persecution waged against gays and other minorities, the opposition to personal liberty in all its forms, the apocalypse fanatics who cheer the end of the world and actively fight against peace efforts in the Middle East and elsewhere ...

Cases like these show that the communists&#039; error was not atheism, but rather a fierce and rigid adherence to their own beliefs, coupled with a murderous hostility toward those who would question or doubt them. Such irrational elevation of dogma over free thought and human life is always destructive, no matter the specific principles being held dogmatically.

... Unlike many religious texts, which contain specific injunctions to dominate or do violence to nonbelievers, atheism by itself never causes people to become murderous. Indeed, how could it? Atheists have no holy book, no sacred text directing their actions. On the contrary, atheism only causes harm when conjoined with some other dogmatic ideology that contains such instructions.

... Finally, I believe in the tremendous importance of free speech and intellectual freedom, where people have the right to educate themselves, to pursue knowledge, and to ask whatever questions they wish, even when those questions are uncomfortable or damaging to those in power. Communism denies all these principles, and so I reject it wholeheartedly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Can you see the similarities between bona fide religions and historical communism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RITF, do we really come off as wanting religion to be invisible? I want the exact opposite! I want it visible, exposed and bare! This is why I like the idea that people should talk about religion, and not pretend it's an invisible facet of society that supercedes otherwise normal scrutiny and criticism. On the flip side, though, I don't want the government specifically promoting religion. (School prayer, hand-on-scripture oaths, legislative prayer and chaplain, "In God We Trust" and "Under God," et cetera.)</p>
<p>If you only see "It's not okay to think what you think," then you aren't looking deeper than the surface. Bottom line, the point isn't to attack belief all by itself, but the generally-accepted ignorant and naive basis for it: faith. The idea is that atheism rationally follows. When it comes to matters of supernatural belief and personal practices, true freethinkers don't like sheep mentalities and true skeptics won't accept pitiful answers and arguments, and that is why atheists speak out against these things. When nonbelievers ridicule believers, it is not <i>just</i> because of belief, but also the lack of foundation for such belief that is so widespread. I don't always condone or condemn insult, but criticism has a right to exist wherever it is beckoned. </p>
<p>Lastly, the brunt of secular ridicule isn't wholly on religious people, but <i>religion</i>. It's the institution that bugs us, and it's the institution we desire to root out. On the topic of Stalin, I quote from <a>Red Crimes</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>... the smoke of the burning Twin Towers, the vicious sectarian bloodletting that has burst out along religious lines in Iraq, the barbaric and regressive human-rights violations of authoritarian theocracies around the world, the ongoing (though largely unreported) campaign of religiously motivated terrorism toward family-planning clinics, the continuing vicious discrimination and persecution waged against gays and other minorities, the opposition to personal liberty in all its forms, the apocalypse fanatics who cheer the end of the world and actively fight against peace efforts in the Middle East and elsewhere ...</p>
<p>Cases like these show that the communists' error was not atheism, but rather a fierce and rigid adherence to their own beliefs, coupled with a murderous hostility toward those who would question or doubt them. Such irrational elevation of dogma over free thought and human life is always destructive, no matter the specific principles being held dogmatically.</p>
<p>... Unlike many religious texts, which contain specific injunctions to dominate or do violence to nonbelievers, atheism by itself never causes people to become murderous. Indeed, how could it? Atheists have no holy book, no sacred text directing their actions. On the contrary, atheism only causes harm when conjoined with some other dogmatic ideology that contains such instructions.</p>
<p>... Finally, I believe in the tremendous importance of free speech and intellectual freedom, where people have the right to educate themselves, to pursue knowledge, and to ask whatever questions they wish, even when those questions are uncomfortable or damaging to those in power. Communism denies all these principles, and so I reject it wholeheartedly.</p></blockquote>
<p>Can you see the similarities between bona fide religions and historical communism?</p>
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		<title>By: Rightintheface</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheist-charity.html#comment-42475</link>
		<dc:creator>Rightintheface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meaning certain threads on the site in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meaning certain threads on the site in general.</p>
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		<title>By: OMGF</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheist-charity.html#comment-42471</link>
		<dc:creator>OMGF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because talking about how atheists should donate to charity and help their fellow man is insulting to theists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because talking about how atheists should donate to charity and help their fellow man is insulting to theists?</p>
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		<title>By: Rightintheface</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheist-charity.html#comment-42469</link>
		<dc:creator>Rightintheface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m speaking to the tone of some of the topics discussed here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm speaking to the tone of some of the topics discussed here.</p>
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		<title>By: OMGF</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheist-charity.html#comment-42468</link>
		<dc:creator>OMGF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are you talking to, because you continually seem to be arguing with someone who isn&#039;t here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you talking to, because you continually seem to be arguing with someone who isn't here?</p>
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