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	<title>Comments on: Atheists Are Moral: Why It Matters</title>
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		<title>By: Alex Weaver</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheists-are-moral-why-it-matters.html#comment-23711</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 05:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sean, how does your philosophy deal with situations where the secular law permits or even mandates immoral behavior, or prohibits morally incumbent behavior (such as that one bill that would have made it a federal offense to transport a minor to another state to obtain an abortion without her parents' permission...did that actually pass anywhere?)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sean, how does your philosophy deal with situations where the secular law permits or even mandates immoral behavior, or prohibits morally incumbent behavior (such as that one bill that would have made it a federal offense to transport a minor to another state to obtain an abortion without her parents' permission...did that actually pass anywhere?)?</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheists-are-moral-why-it-matters.html#comment-23706</link>
		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take comfort from the fact that if there is a god then these people (Grant &lt;i&gt;et al&lt;/i&gt;) are certainly not destined to meet him at the pearly gates and if there isn't, then they provide evidence to us for the potential malevolence of religiousity.

Aside from that I feel sorry for anyone these people hurt and would hope that one day people will realise that freedom of speech should not be bourne without responsibity.

Morality and ethics are by they nature relative and I will only be guided by my internal compass and secular law in judgement of myself. I refuse to judge others as I am not an expert in this field and defer to those better qualified (i.e. Judges) to do this on my behalf. I also refuse to moderate any behaviour that offends religious sensibilities (providing it is lawful), and do not consider how fundamentalists will view me when making decisions.

My actions reflect on me and not on any beliefs or disbeliefs I have. One of the reasons I dislike organised religion is because of their attempt to control behaviours through spurious arguments. I do not see atheism or agnosticism or whatever I am as an organisised religion and as such refuse to prove my morality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take comfort from the fact that if there is a god then these people (Grant <i>et al</i>) are certainly not destined to meet him at the pearly gates and if there isn't, then they provide evidence to us for the potential malevolence of religiousity.</p>
<p>Aside from that I feel sorry for anyone these people hurt and would hope that one day people will realise that freedom of speech should not be bourne without responsibity.</p>
<p>Morality and ethics are by they nature relative and I will only be guided by my internal compass and secular law in judgement of myself. I refuse to judge others as I am not an expert in this field and defer to those better qualified (i.e. Judges) to do this on my behalf. I also refuse to moderate any behaviour that offends religious sensibilities (providing it is lawful), and do not consider how fundamentalists will view me when making decisions.</p>
<p>My actions reflect on me and not on any beliefs or disbeliefs I have. One of the reasons I dislike organised religion is because of their attempt to control behaviours through spurious arguments. I do not see atheism or agnosticism or whatever I am as an organisised religion and as such refuse to prove my morality.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Weaver</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheists-are-moral-why-it-matters.html#comment-23640</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 08:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the principal difference between "morals" and "ethics" is that "ethics" has the distinction of never being blemished by being hijacked to mean "throwing a tantrum over your neighbors having more, better, and diverser sex than you."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the principal difference between "morals" and "ethics" is that "ethics" has the distinction of never being blemished by being hijacked to mean "throwing a tantrum over your neighbors having more, better, and diverser sex than you."</p>
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		<title>By: tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 08:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's remember the difference between morals and ethics, people. Morals are relative, ethics are not. I.E. Rape is moral if God commands it, but it is still unethical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let's remember the difference between morals and ethics, people. Morals are relative, ethics are not. I.E. Rape is moral if God commands it, but it is still unethical.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheists-are-moral-why-it-matters.html#comment-23634</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A large part of the dinner conversation consisted of my husband and myself being questioned about our morals (or perceived lack there of) and how would we raise our children? What would we tell them? How would we instill any sense of morality in them? While waiting for the waiter to come back with the check, two of the couples decided that they wanted the salt and pepper shakers and proceeded to slip the shakers into one of the women's purse.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
*sound of head making brisk contact with desk*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A large part of the dinner conversation consisted of my husband and myself being questioned about our morals (or perceived lack there of) and how would we raise our children? What would we tell them? How would we instill any sense of morality in them? While waiting for the waiter to come back with the check, two of the couples decided that they wanted the salt and pepper shakers and proceeded to slip the shakers into one of the women's purse.</p></blockquote>
<p>*sound of head making brisk contact with desk*</p>
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		<title>By: James Bradbury</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheists-are-moral-why-it-matters.html#comment-23633</link>
		<dc:creator>James Bradbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 07:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Beth,

Nice story, I'll keep your quotes in mind.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Beth,</p>
<p>Nice story, I'll keep your quotes in mind.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Beth B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 05:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found that when faced with the big morality debate (all of my encounters have been with Christians) I pose this question, "If it is indeed true that Christians far surpass Atheists in the moral department then why the need for confession, penance and forgiveness?”  If they still want to debate it I continue with, “In your mind you have a ‘get out of hell free’ card that doesn’t expire.  I don’t share that point of view and I have to live with myself and the repercussions of my actions, so I choose to avoid creating my own personal hell and do it as right as I can the first time around.”  

I chuckle as I type this, recalling a dinner one night at a quality restaurant with three other couples.  A large part of the dinner conversation consisted of my husband and myself being questioned about our morals (or perceived lack there of) and how would we raise our children?  What would we tell them?  How would we instill any sense of morality in them? While waiting for the waiter to come back with the check, two of the couples decided that they wanted the salt and pepper shakers and proceeded to slip the shakers into one of the women's purse. I politely smiled and stated that I was pretty sure that even my boys were familiar with ‘Thou shall not steal.’</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found that when faced with the big morality debate (all of my encounters have been with Christians) I pose this question, "If it is indeed true that Christians far surpass Atheists in the moral department then why the need for confession, penance and forgiveness?”  If they still want to debate it I continue with, “In your mind you have a ‘get out of hell free’ card that doesn’t expire.  I don’t share that point of view and I have to live with myself and the repercussions of my actions, so I choose to avoid creating my own personal hell and do it as right as I can the first time around.”  </p>
<p>I chuckle as I type this, recalling a dinner one night at a quality restaurant with three other couples.  A large part of the dinner conversation consisted of my husband and myself being questioned about our morals (or perceived lack there of) and how would we raise our children?  What would we tell them?  How would we instill any sense of morality in them? While waiting for the waiter to come back with the check, two of the couples decided that they wanted the salt and pepper shakers and proceeded to slip the shakers into one of the women's purse. I politely smiled and stated that I was pretty sure that even my boys were familiar with ‘Thou shall not steal.’</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/atheists-are-moral-why-it-matters.html#comment-23626</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 03:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;"Christians are moral" - doesn't seem right either. How can group membership or a label guarantee morality?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It doesn't. Nevertheless, on the whole, I'm confident that most Christians are moral and decent people, just like most atheists are moral and decent people. As Alex said, the statement is meant to be a descriptive observation, not a normative pronouncement.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I've known some Ayn Rand-influenced atheists who definitely would not agree that "atheist morality is based on the human sense of compassion."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They're welcome to disagree with me if they want to. However, it doesn't undermine my point that atheists most definitely do not lack a basis for ethical behavior, and it is extremely dishonest to claim otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>"Christians are moral" - doesn't seem right either. How can group membership or a label guarantee morality?</p></blockquote>
<p>It doesn't. Nevertheless, on the whole, I'm confident that most Christians are moral and decent people, just like most atheists are moral and decent people. As Alex said, the statement is meant to be a descriptive observation, not a normative pronouncement.</p>
<blockquote><p>I've known some Ayn Rand-influenced atheists who definitely would not agree that "atheist morality is based on the human sense of compassion."</p></blockquote>
<p>They're welcome to disagree with me if they want to. However, it doesn't undermine my point that atheists most definitely do not lack a basis for ethical behavior, and it is extremely dishonest to claim otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 23:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;"Christians are moral" - doesn't seem right either. How can group membership or a label guarantee morality?&lt;/blockquote&gt;It doesn't.  But Christians (people in general, in fact) are typically reasonably moral.  Which is how that sentence should, and without other qualifiers usually is, interpreted.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I've known some Ayn Rand-influenced atheists who definitely would not agree that "atheist morality is based on the human sense of compassion."&lt;/blockquote&gt;Okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>"Christians are moral" - doesn't seem right either. How can group membership or a label guarantee morality?</p></blockquote>
<p>It doesn't.  But Christians (people in general, in fact) are typically reasonably moral.  Which is how that sentence should, and without other qualifiers usually is, interpreted.</p>
<blockquote><p>I've known some Ayn Rand-influenced atheists who definitely would not agree that "atheist morality is based on the human sense of compassion."</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 23:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Christians are moral" - doesn't seem right either. How can group membership or a label guarantee morality? "Christian doctrine has a moral code" and "Atheism does not necessitate the lack of a moral code" would be accurate statements.

I've known some Ayn Rand-influenced atheists who definitely would not agree that "atheist morality is based on the human sense of compassion."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Christians are moral" - doesn't seem right either. How can group membership or a label guarantee morality? "Christian doctrine has a moral code" and "Atheism does not necessitate the lack of a moral code" would be accurate statements.</p>
<p>I've known some Ayn Rand-influenced atheists who definitely would not agree that "atheist morality is based on the human sense of compassion."</p>
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