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		<title>By: fancyplants</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/05/do-you-really-believe-that-i.html#comment-45042</link>
		<dc:creator>fancyplants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben Maulis: 
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Ben Maulis&quot;&gt;So, what I would ask those who do not believe is simply this:

&quot;How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him?&quot;

The Word of God tells us that he “has appointed a day in the which he will judge the world in righteousness.” What about you? Are you ready for that day? Whether you are ready or not, you can be assured that, “it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh no not the Day of Judgement rubbish again.  Have you religious lot ever looked at these things from a psychological point of view?

&#039;Quickly! Make your decision now on whether to become a Christian!  The judgement is right around the corner its nearly here!  If you&#039;re not a Christian by then its gonna be really bad for you!  Quickly quickly quickly!!..&#039;

Simple psychological hurry-ups.  A great way to get people to make decisions without applying rational thought by taking thinking time away from them.  It is neither original nor noble to stoop to such methods, and yet you do.  Might want to think how much you&#039;ve relied on such underhand tactics as you stand in the queue at St. Peters&#039; gates with your little golden ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Maulis: </p>
<blockquote cite="Ben Maulis"><p>So, what I would ask those who do not believe is simply this:</p>
<p>"How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him?"</p>
<p>The Word of God tells us that he “has appointed a day in the which he will judge the world in righteousness.” What about you? Are you ready for that day? Whether you are ready or not, you can be assured that, “it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh no not the Day of Judgement rubbish again.  Have you religious lot ever looked at these things from a psychological point of view?</p>
<p>'Quickly! Make your decision now on whether to become a Christian!  The judgement is right around the corner its nearly here!  If you're not a Christian by then its gonna be really bad for you!  Quickly quickly quickly!!..'</p>
<p>Simple psychological hurry-ups.  A great way to get people to make decisions without applying rational thought by taking thinking time away from them.  It is neither original nor noble to stoop to such methods, and yet you do.  Might want to think how much you've relied on such underhand tactics as you stand in the queue at St. Peters' gates with your little golden ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preaching spam deleted. Don&#039;t feed the trolls, folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preaching spam deleted. Don't feed the trolls, folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1918underwood:&lt;i&gt;The roots of this story [Satan] probably go back to ancient myths.&lt;/i&gt;

Zoroastrianism?

In addition to Polly&#039;s list of the mentions of the devil in the Bible, my parents also referenced Isaiah&#039;s prophecy against Babylon:

&lt;i&gt;How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star [Lucifer], son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, &quot;I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost height of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.&quot;  But you are brought down to the grave, to the depth of the pit.&lt;/i&gt;

-Isaiah 14:12-15

Also, in regards to the lack of evidence for the flood, wouldn&#039;t there be some sort of major cataclysmic event in the geological record?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1918underwood:<i>The roots of this story [Satan] probably go back to ancient myths.</i></p>
<p>Zoroastrianism?</p>
<p>In addition to Polly's list of the mentions of the devil in the Bible, my parents also referenced Isaiah's prophecy against Babylon:</p>
<p><i>How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star [Lucifer], son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost height of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."  But you are brought down to the grave, to the depth of the pit.</i></p>
<p>-Isaiah 14:12-15</p>
<p>Also, in regards to the lack of evidence for the flood, wouldn't there be some sort of major cataclysmic event in the geological record?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would god need Noah to begin with. For any of this to happen it couldn&#039;t include a mortal. Like you said no matter how impossible the story the religous side will come up with a reason it happened. Mr. the earth will burn up, it will burn up at the hands of mans own stupidity no help is needed for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would god need Noah to begin with. For any of this to happen it couldn't include a mortal. Like you said no matter how impossible the story the religous side will come up with a reason it happened. Mr. the earth will burn up, it will burn up at the hands of mans own stupidity no help is needed for that.</p>
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		<title>By: norman ravitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>norman ravitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 13:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is easy enough to make fun of the Old Testament, old as it is.  Even Christians don&#039;t always take it too seriously, but they do take the New Testament seriously and that is why the NT needs to be deconstructed.

The Gospels do more to conceal the real Jesus than to reveal him.  They were written partly to make the Romans less hostile to the new sect of Christians, that is why the actions vs. Jesus are ascribed more to the Jews than the Romans.  In any case, Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet who bet wrong on God saving him and Israel.  God usually lets people down more often than not.  Jesus died a victim of Roman belief that he was a rebel.  And he was, in the sense that he accepted the acclamations of the crowd, Hosannah Son of David, which means Save us King.  His proclamation as king was treason.  The Jewish authorities had no choice but to denounce him to Pilate and Pilate had no choice but to execute him forthwith.

Jesus as some sort of divine or semi-divine saviour whose death somehow can wash away sins is an invention of Paul of Tarsus who himself had never met Jesus.  Paul may have been sincere but he was deluded.  Christians as a result do not know the real Jesus and the Gospels do not reveal him as he really was.  You need to read the Old Russian translation of Josephus&#039; Fall of Jerusalem to get the real picture.

So, stop making fun of Noah and his flood, the 7 days of creation and all that myth.  Focus on the lies taught for 1900 years by the churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is easy enough to make fun of the Old Testament, old as it is.  Even Christians don't always take it too seriously, but they do take the New Testament seriously and that is why the NT needs to be deconstructed.</p>
<p>The Gospels do more to conceal the real Jesus than to reveal him.  They were written partly to make the Romans less hostile to the new sect of Christians, that is why the actions vs. Jesus are ascribed more to the Jews than the Romans.  In any case, Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet who bet wrong on God saving him and Israel.  God usually lets people down more often than not.  Jesus died a victim of Roman belief that he was a rebel.  And he was, in the sense that he accepted the acclamations of the crowd, Hosannah Son of David, which means Save us King.  His proclamation as king was treason.  The Jewish authorities had no choice but to denounce him to Pilate and Pilate had no choice but to execute him forthwith.</p>
<p>Jesus as some sort of divine or semi-divine saviour whose death somehow can wash away sins is an invention of Paul of Tarsus who himself had never met Jesus.  Paul may have been sincere but he was deluded.  Christians as a result do not know the real Jesus and the Gospels do not reveal him as he really was.  You need to read the Old Russian translation of Josephus' Fall of Jerusalem to get the real picture.</p>
<p>So, stop making fun of Noah and his flood, the 7 days of creation and all that myth.  Focus on the lies taught for 1900 years by the churches.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 18:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello All,

There are actually a lot of flood stories from many different people groups.  Some are rather interesting.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello All,</p>
<p>There are actually a lot of flood stories from many different people groups.  Some are rather interesting.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: goyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>goyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 17:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Ebon, and really good commentaries, everyone. I was always fascinated by the demons and evil spirits floating in the air, continually praying and doing &quot;spiritual warfare&quot; against them. I remember once, a fellow xtian coming against the evil spirits that had caused the coke machine to eat his money. After I deconverted, I asked him if the spirits were indeed surrounding us everywhere, was I actually breathing them in, when I took a breath? Do they wear clothes? Do they have governments, and hierarchies? Had he ever really met the devil, after all, he is the &quot;big guy&quot;. I look back on that time in my life with embarrassment, and shame. Here I was, a college-educated person believing fairy tales over obvious scientic fact. And I used to teach others the same crap. Ben, wake up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Ebon, and really good commentaries, everyone. I was always fascinated by the demons and evil spirits floating in the air, continually praying and doing "spiritual warfare" against them. I remember once, a fellow xtian coming against the evil spirits that had caused the coke machine to eat his money. After I deconverted, I asked him if the spirits were indeed surrounding us everywhere, was I actually breathing them in, when I took a breath? Do they wear clothes? Do they have governments, and hierarchies? Had he ever really met the devil, after all, he is the "big guy". I look back on that time in my life with embarrassment, and shame. Here I was, a college-educated person believing fairy tales over obvious scientic fact. And I used to teach others the same crap. Ben, wake up!</p>
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		<title>By: tobe38</title>
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		<dc:creator>tobe38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 16:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, everyone, please look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3REuen54jA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; clip of Eddie Izzard talking about the Old Testement. He talks quite a bit about Noah&#039;s flood. Very clever and very, very funny. Well worth a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, everyone, please look at <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3REuen54jA" rel="nofollow">this</a> clip of Eddie Izzard talking about the Old Testement. He talks quite a bit about Noah's flood. Very clever and very, very funny. Well worth a look.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 14:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Vicar.  That probably never would have occurred to me. (Which is why I asked.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Vicar.  That probably never would have occurred to me. (Which is why I asked.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Vicar</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Vicar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 14:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rob

Why not ask one of the various organizations of librarians and so on for help? I know of such a group that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.project-wombat.org/faq.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;accepts questions from anyone&lt;/a&gt;, and there are probably others as well. (In fact, you could probably ask the first list to cross-post to other lists.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rob</p>
<p>Why not ask one of the various organizations of librarians and so on for help? I know of such a group that <a href="http://www.project-wombat.org/faq.shtml" rel="nofollow">accepts questions from anyone</a>, and there are probably others as well. (In fact, you could probably ask the first list to cross-post to other lists.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 11:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever read the story of the flood, but from what I can gather, it talks a lot about animals. I was just wondering what it says about the plants. Did Noah bother about them or did they just reappear once the waters had retreated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't think I've ever read the story of the flood, but from what I can gather, it talks a lot about animals. I was just wondering what it says about the plants. Did Noah bother about them or did they just reappear once the waters had retreated?</p>
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		<title>By: anti-nonsense</title>
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		<dc:creator>anti-nonsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 05:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know about that story too Rob it sounds really interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd like to know about that story too Rob it sounds really interesting.</p>
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