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	<title>Comments on: Theocracy Watch XI: A Dark Day for Separation</title>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/06/theocracy-watch-xi.html#comment-25379</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Siamang: My apologies. I can only plead lack of coffee and being more engrossed in the issue than careful about what I was typing. But I will say that as far as I'm aware, I'm not moderate on anything and wouldn't pretend to be. I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; love it when people pay attention to semantics, though. There's hope for us all in that.

@Ebonmuse: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;If Congress doesn't understand the necessity of safeguarding the Constitution, it's up to us to remind them and vote for progressive members who will do the right thing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely. I'm just saying that even if we elect progressive politicians, we will still have to be vigilant, because Democratic control of 2/3 of the government, in and of itself, doesn't absolutely ensure freedom from religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Siamang: My apologies. I can only plead lack of coffee and being more engrossed in the issue than careful about what I was typing. But I will say that as far as I'm aware, I'm not moderate on anything and wouldn't pretend to be. I <i>do</i> love it when people pay attention to semantics, though. There's hope for us all in that.</p>
<p>@Ebonmuse: </p>
<blockquote><p>If Congress doesn't understand the necessity of safeguarding the Constitution, it's up to us to remind them and vote for progressive members who will do the right thing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely. I'm just saying that even if we elect progressive politicians, we will still have to be vigilant, because Democratic control of 2/3 of the government, in and of itself, doesn't absolutely ensure freedom from religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/06/theocracy-watch-xi.html#comment-25260</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stillwaters: Amen. :) Freethought Radio is a fantastic show which I listen to every week. The ACLU and other groups are also very good when it comes to defending civil liberties, but for a specifically atheist perspective on civil rights, I think the FFRF is the best we could ask for. Dan and Annie Laurie are doing an amazing job and they all deserve our support.

For Andy: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Let's not forget that only last month all the Democrat presidential candidates were falling all over themselves to claim the title of most religious Democrat candidate, and probably will continue to do so until the election is over.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While I also feel distaste upon seeing Democratic politicians pander to the religious section of the public, it doesn't follow that their views on separation are as bad as the Republicans'. Whether we like it or not, pandering to religiosity is a wise electoral tactic, at least for now. If the candidate actually understands the First Amendment and why it's important, as the Democrats seem to, then I'll endure some shallow god-talk rather than see a genuine theocrat put in power. If Congress doesn't understand the necessity of safeguarding the Constitution, it's up to us to remind them and vote for progressive members who will do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stillwaters: Amen. :) Freethought Radio is a fantastic show which I listen to every week. The ACLU and other groups are also very good when it comes to defending civil liberties, but for a specifically atheist perspective on civil rights, I think the FFRF is the best we could ask for. Dan and Annie Laurie are doing an amazing job and they all deserve our support.</p>
<p>For Andy: </p>
<blockquote><p>Let's not forget that only last month all the Democrat presidential candidates were falling all over themselves to claim the title of most religious Democrat candidate, and probably will continue to do so until the election is over.</p></blockquote>
<p>While I also feel distaste upon seeing Democratic politicians pander to the religious section of the public, it doesn't follow that their views on separation are as bad as the Republicans'. Whether we like it or not, pandering to religiosity is a wise electoral tactic, at least for now. If the candidate actually understands the First Amendment and why it's important, as the Democrats seem to, then I'll endure some shallow god-talk rather than see a genuine theocrat put in power. If Congress doesn't understand the necessity of safeguarding the Constitution, it's up to us to remind them and vote for progressive members who will do the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: stillwaters</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/06/theocracy-watch-xi.html#comment-25244</link>
		<dc:creator>stillwaters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago when I became so concerned with all the religiosity getting entwined with politics and the government, I started searching for some atheist organizations. I had remembered something about a Freedom from Religion organization, and after googling, ran smack into the Freedom From Religion Foundation. I liked what they were saying and doing, but did not join. Instead, I joined the American Atheists.

After a year of that, I did not renew my membership. The AA was still too divisive for my tastes. I ended up joining the American Humanist Association and the Center For Inquiry, as well as the ACLU.

But now, with this court case, I decided that the Freedom From Religion Foundation is an organization that I should have joined when I first discovered them. They are truly an organization fighting to keep our (atheists) rights. The Freedom From Religion Foundation is a great cause. Please join today if you want to keep what rights you have. Only together can we make progress.

PS. They have an &lt;a href="http://ffrf.org/radio" rel="nofollow"&gt;outstanding podcast&lt;/a&gt; as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago when I became so concerned with all the religiosity getting entwined with politics and the government, I started searching for some atheist organizations. I had remembered something about a Freedom from Religion organization, and after googling, ran smack into the Freedom From Religion Foundation. I liked what they were saying and doing, but did not join. Instead, I joined the American Atheists.</p>
<p>After a year of that, I did not renew my membership. The AA was still too divisive for my tastes. I ended up joining the American Humanist Association and the Center For Inquiry, as well as the ACLU.</p>
<p>But now, with this court case, I decided that the Freedom From Religion Foundation is an organization that I should have joined when I first discovered them. They are truly an organization fighting to keep our (atheists) rights. The Freedom From Religion Foundation is a great cause. Please join today if you want to keep what rights you have. Only together can we make progress.</p>
<p>PS. They have an <a href="http://ffrf.org/radio" rel="nofollow">outstanding podcast</a> as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff T.</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/06/theocracy-watch-xi.html#comment-25232</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was watching the politics of Ann Coulter last night. I use the word politics very lightly in this case.  Ann was the author of the book about godless liberals---as if that were a bad thing.  She seems to be a champion of the right wing conservative church branch of our current theocratic grand ole party.

I find the open hypocrisy of people espousing religion who then turn around and state openly that 'they wish someone had been killed by a terrorist' to be rather insulting to my meager intelligence.  This is what Ann Coulter really said, and it is what American 'politics' has become today.

I think the theocracy is already in full throttle and we just don't know it yet. Obviously it is a hypocritical theocracy which uses religious sugarcoating to satiate the masses while it pursues its own very secular agendas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching the politics of Ann Coulter last night. I use the word politics very lightly in this case.  Ann was the author of the book about godless liberals---as if that were a bad thing.  She seems to be a champion of the right wing conservative church branch of our current theocratic grand ole party.</p>
<p>I find the open hypocrisy of people espousing religion who then turn around and state openly that 'they wish someone had been killed by a terrorist' to be rather insulting to my meager intelligence.  This is what Ann Coulter really said, and it is what American 'politics' has become today.</p>
<p>I think the theocracy is already in full throttle and we just don't know it yet. Obviously it is a hypocritical theocracy which uses religious sugarcoating to satiate the masses while it pursues its own very secular agendas.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/06/theocracy-watch-xi.html#comment-25227</link>
		<dc:creator>Ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is indeed terrible news.  The damage that Bush has done to the USA will far outlast his term, alas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is indeed terrible news.  The damage that Bush has done to the USA will far outlast his term, alas.</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/06/theocracy-watch-xi.html#comment-25225</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, the name is the Democratic Party.  ...Democratic candidate....Democratic Congress.

Calling it the "Democrat Congress" you sound like a right-wing parrot spewing focus-grouped sound bytes.

If you're not a right-wing parrot, I apologize.  But if you came in here disguised as a moderate, you just blew your cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, the name is the Democratic Party.  ...Democratic candidate....Democratic Congress.</p>
<p>Calling it the "Democrat Congress" you sound like a right-wing parrot spewing focus-grouped sound bytes.</p>
<p>If you're not a right-wing parrot, I apologize.  But if you came in here disguised as a moderate, you just blew your cover.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hallquist</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/06/theocracy-watch-xi.html#comment-25219</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hallquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You've been tagged by a &lt;a href="http://uncrediblehallq.blogspot.com/2007/06/blog-meme.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;blog meme&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You've been tagged by a <a href="http://uncrediblehallq.blogspot.com/2007/06/blog-meme.html" rel="nofollow">blog meme</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/06/theocracy-watch-xi.html#comment-25213</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your take on the decision, but have to part ways with you when you say: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;"And we now have a Democratic Congress, thank goodness, one which will be far more willing to listen to voices raised on behalf of the Constitution."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm quite cynical and feel that the Democrats are only politicians, after all, and will stand up for the Constitution only as long as it helps them thwart a Republican president. Let's not forget that only last month all the Democrat presidential candidates were falling all over themselves to claim the title of most religious Democrat candidate, and probably will continue to do so until the election is over. 

It is also worth noting that Bill Clinton is heavily involved with Jimmy Carter's Cooperative Baptist Fellowship movement, which is aiming, among other things, to unite Baptists worldwide. If Hillary Clinton were to win the presidency and then throw any kind of special favors in that direction, I sincerely doubt the Democrat Congress would do anything to stop it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your take on the decision, but have to part ways with you when you say: </p>
<blockquote><p>"And we now have a Democratic Congress, thank goodness, one which will be far more willing to listen to voices raised on behalf of the Constitution."</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm quite cynical and feel that the Democrats are only politicians, after all, and will stand up for the Constitution only as long as it helps them thwart a Republican president. Let's not forget that only last month all the Democrat presidential candidates were falling all over themselves to claim the title of most religious Democrat candidate, and probably will continue to do so until the election is over. </p>
<p>It is also worth noting that Bill Clinton is heavily involved with Jimmy Carter's Cooperative Baptist Fellowship movement, which is aiming, among other things, to unite Baptists worldwide. If Hillary Clinton were to win the presidency and then throw any kind of special favors in that direction, I sincerely doubt the Democrat Congress would do anything to stop it.</p>
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		<title>By: nullifidian</title>
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		<dc:creator>nullifidian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US political and justice systems seem to be increasing fudging the little guy, the person who most needs to be protected by same.  I suppose it's some solace that this case was only about standing (which I'd never hear of until the FFRF podcast) rather than about C/S itself.

Oh, and I know that this isn't on topic, and apologies if you've already been &lt;a href="http://www.nullifidian.net/2007/06/27/eight-things-meme/" rel="nofollow"&gt;tagged&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US political and justice systems seem to be increasing fudging the little guy, the person who most needs to be protected by same.  I suppose it's some solace that this case was only about standing (which I'd never hear of until the FFRF podcast) rather than about C/S itself.</p>
<p>Oh, and I know that this isn't on topic, and apologies if you've already been <a href="http://www.nullifidian.net/2007/06/27/eight-things-meme/" rel="nofollow">tagged</a>.</p>
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