I'll get on topic now, I will tell you something you may not like but for me these fundies in yours and my country (Even if they are of different religions) are a more latent and real danger than muslims, because all the bad things media says about them it actually applies to fundies, but they have acces to some power in here next to us.

It is enough to say that some of our politics are driven by their dogma rather than their mission to represent the people, probably in US there is some way to control them, here not so much.

Guys really it is just nice to read something that freaking makes sense after finding that some people are willing to believe that the earth is flat...

I guess I'm just venting here---this issue (concerning a landlord who refused to rent his properties to unmarried couples) got a lot of media coverage here in Michigan a couple years ago. It went all the way to the State Supreme Court (the landlord lost, again, but the SC decision was vacated by the Chief Justice, a right wing nutjob), and I followed the issue closely, silently raging the entire time. Okay, maybe not so silently.

I like to try and think like other people do, in an effort to understand them better. But I just can't get my head around the mind of a fundamentalist who is more concerned with 'other people's' sex life than with a corrupt government and criminal white house (or homelessness, or hunger, or education, or health care).

Sort of like David Vitter.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but marriage and weddings, at least in America, have historically been pretty religious institutions, usually conducted in a church or synagogue. As such, it's not clear to me why a gay person would want to have anything to do with "the institution of marriage", where a guy stands up in the front of the church holding a holey book that contains literal death sentences against homosexuals.

Maybe it's just a hangup I have with the word marriage. I think the substantive issue is that of benefits that married people "enjoy" which are denied to gay couples. For these reasons, a fully equivalent civil union seems to me to fit the bill. But then, I'm not gay.

Fundies oppose gay marriage for the same reason that they oppose evolution. Since the Bible says God created man in his image, then they cannot accept a scientific theory that says that we share a common ancestor with apes and we got to where we are through millions of years of evolution and natural selection.

The specifically says that a man shall not lie with a man as he would a woman and some similar sounding passages. Therefore, there can be no compromise with a Fundy. If they do not oppose these things, then it's saying that God's word is not to be obeyed and the whole edifice of belief comes crashing down. What a sad way to think.

While they quote the bible about a man not sleeping with another man why don't they quote it about killing anyone working on the sabbath, or a man being able to sell his daughter into slavery, or a man not going near a woman on her period, or being able to kill disobedient children?

Of course, this kind of brings up the whole question :"if god hates gays so much, why would he make the option available?" But that's venturing into reason and logic; something religion is very uncomfortable with.

The specifically says that a man shall not lie with a man as he would a woman and some similar sounding passages. Therefore, there can be no compromise with a Fundy. If they do not oppose these things, then it's saying that God's word is not to be obeyed and the whole edifice of belief comes crashing down. What a sad way to think.

It absolutely pains me to read this. There is no debate. Period. Marriage is marriage. Marriage is the civil and religious union between two consenting adults. It doesn't matter whether they are same- or different-sex partners; it is sex discrimination to allow a woman to do something that a man may not do and vice versa. If a man can marry a woman, a woman must be allowed to marry a woman. This is common sense.

The very fact that the religious want their faith-based beliefs politicized disgusts me.

Amen to that! :)

The very fact that the religious want their faith-based beliefs politicized disgusts me.

In my opinion, the main reason that many Christians get so worked up about gay marriage is that they truly hate to see someone happy. They wish that everyone was as unhappy as they, with their guilt, sin and fear. They are simply miserable and desperately waiting for that carrot that their religion dangles in front of them. And as they say, misery loves company.

I think it was Tony Danza who summed up Catholicism quite eloquently, along these lines: "If it feels good, stop."