It is not secret, even in the most conservative circles, the preeminence of NT over OT.

Which is why Xians try so hard to make sure the 10 commandments are posted everywhere.

OT times and circumstances were very different and God’s revelation (obviously you cannot believe in that if you are not a Christian) wasn’t complete.

Why not? Why was this world not ready for god? Couldn't he create a world that would be ready?

Actually pre-Jesus historical, social, political and religious events were aligning through hundreds of years to prepare a most suitable historical context to receive the messiah.

Huh? You mean a world where the messiah would be ridiculed and crucified?

If you read the last part of the Old Testament is mostly a group of prophetic texts (written centuries before Jesus time) that predicted future events regarding Israel and the coming of the messiah.

Yeah, so? Prophetic writings were not at all uncommon. If they had actually been specific and fulfilled, then maybe you'd have something.

O.T. is the foundation for Christianity and contains many important teachings and historical information.

Such as what? How to mistreat women or slaves?

Almost all of the early disciples were Jewish who knew about the promise of messiah.

Again, so what? Many Jews still think a messiah might come. Just because they believed in one doesn't mean that one came or will come.

You cannot build a house without foundation; however the foundation is neither a complete building.

I don't see why an omni-max god couldn't.

I would say then that the OT has to stop being quoted by christian 'preists'. They cannot speak out of both sides of their mouths. Otherwise, you have rules and advice for life which can be contradictory of each other. If The NT superseded the OT, why are they still published together?

I have to say it is very incomplete -and distorted-, mostly because you only use Old Testament references -with the exception of two New Testament references out of context-, a decision very convenient for atheist supporters -REMEBER I HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE-.

O.T. has to be seen "through the eyes" of the N.T., for example you say "Protection from cruel or unusual punishment - Explicitly denied by the Bible", that is not true, you should say "unsupported in Old Testament times, supported and practiced by Jesus and his disciples(John 8:1-11).

Many of the practices of a rigidly organized society like early Israelite, during very especific times, seems tyrannical -but not even close to the atrocities of theirs neighbors and inhabitants of other parts of the world by that time- by our modern standards, but Christian morals established on New Testament principles are centuries ahead of many of the most important social reformations world have ever seen, like protecting childhood (Matthew 18:6)and racial tolerance (John 4:7-9).

Please go beyond traditional American experience at the time to analyze Christianity and try to inquire faith without negative preconceive ideas. A real disciple of Christ do not correspond to the many racist, ignorant, arrogant, selfish, xenophobic, retrograde individuals who have took to themselves the ownership of the Christian faith.

Sorry for my poor English.

Interesting point. While homosexual behaviour is condemned by Old Testament writers (at least in the approved Christian translations of these ancient texts) there is no mention of a person who is primarily or exclusively sexually orientated towards their own sex, either male or female. Of course, there is no mention or understanding of a whole lot of non-main-stream human endowments or disfunctions and a lot of clear-cut discrimination against those with disabilities. Jesus's attitude to physical illness was much more tolerant and understanding than towards cerebral, mental or cognitive disabilities. These were the only ones diagnosed and treated as being possessed by devils.

There is another interesting point to make. Let us assume that Jesus of Nazarath actually existed and did, in fact, travel around the countryside with twelve fishermen whom he had persuaded to abandon their families. The statistical probablity that two or more of this 13 person group was "homosexual" is extremely high. That includes the man, Jesus.

The Bible is completely silent about their sexual activity, or abnormal lack of it. For a homosexual or asexual, self-exile to the "wilderness" with a group of men would be a good way to avoid the strong social pressures of the time to marry and have children.

Females were not recorded as being encouraged to spent any significant amounts of time with any of the Jesus Band. Even the visits which Jesus is reported to have made to Mary Magdalene seemed to be done as more of a duty than a pleasure.

None of the stories credit Jesus as having any sexual feelings or temptations whatever. Only Paul/Saul mentions sexual temptation, and they occur within a strong misogynist framework.

It is really ironical that the man/god who is held up a an example of human "perfection" by American Christian extremists is so antithetical to their view of what is moral. The Biblical Jesus is the illegitimate son of a woman who was unwittingly impregnated by his (divine) father. He lived in a household where, if you believe the Catholic version, he was the only child of parents who never had sex, either normal or abnormal. His abnormal upbringing so scared him that he left home in his thirties and persuaded a group of local fishermen to abandon their families and travel around the countryside with him. Accept for directing that one of his disciples look after his mother after after his death by torture, he never accepted any responsibility of care for anyone, including children. He was certainly not a "family friendly" person.

Tim

Trial by jury, the right to face your accuser, the right to abstain from offering self-incriminating testimony, the right to examine the evidence against you, the requirement of warrants, habeas corpus—these are the things that make our legal system (in theory, at least) so special and so powerful. And none of those things has anything to do with the Commandments! (Any version of them.)