Comments on: A Note on the IIDB Situation http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:20:33 +0000 By: Pendaric http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-36741 Pendaric Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:34:13 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-36741 Many of the ex-staff of IIDB have ended up at Talk Rational. http://www.talkrational.org Virtually all of the admins who resigned from II are admins here. The board was set up by ex-II staff who had left II following the meltdown. There are currently 400+ active members, many of whom will be familiar to those who follow II. Anybody is welcome to join. Please come take a look. Pendaric Many of the ex-staff of IIDB have ended up at Talk Rational.

http://www.talkrational.org

Virtually all of the admins who resigned from II are admins here. The board was set up by ex-II staff who had left II following the meltdown. There are currently 400+ active members, many of whom will be familiar to those who follow II.

Anybody is welcome to join. Please come take a look.

Pendaric

]]> By: Katie http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-35819 Katie Tue, 20 May 2008 19:43:08 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-35819 The amusing thing about trolls is that they think they are amusing. I for one think I'm going to be spending more time at Rants 'n Raves now. =) The amusing thing about trolls is that they think they are amusing.

I for one think I'm going to be spending more time at Rants 'n Raves now. =)

]]> By: theistscientist http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29869 theistscientist Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:56:13 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29869 I think Mr. Ebon should consider starting his own forum and let it be a shining light on a hill example of the professional way to run a forum. Let the people from IIDB come here. That's what I did. I think Mr. Ebon should consider starting his own forum and let it be a shining light on a hill example of the professional way to run a forum. Let the people from IIDB come here. That's what I did.

]]> By: Friday http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29518 Friday Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:23:18 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29518 The amusing thing about theists, is that after telling us there is a God to tell us what to do, THEY want to tell us what to do. Why the surprise? The amusing thing about theists, is that after telling us there is a God to tell us what to do, THEY want to tell us what to do.

Why the surprise?

]]> By: Alex Weaver http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29508 Alex Weaver Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:12:33 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29508 The name "Emmanuel Goldstein" rings a bell in the context of internet trolls. I have the vague feeling I've seen his posts on Pharyngula, but I can't find him in the <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/plonk.php" rel="nofollow">dungeon</a>. Weird. In any case, Mr. Troll, this may be a bit late in getting to you, but you are aware that public masturbation is illegal, right? The name "Emmanuel Goldstein" rings a bell in the context of internet trolls. I have the vague feeling I've seen his posts on Pharyngula, but I can't find him in the dungeon. Weird.

In any case, Mr. Troll, this may be a bit late in getting to you, but you are aware that public masturbation is illegal, right?

]]> By: RBH http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29506 RBH Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:44:38 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29506 I will add that when the administrators were finally told of the first two decisions from the Board of Directors' face-to-face meeting (more than a week after the meeting), I resigned as Lead Administrator rather than execute the BoD's instructions. Subsequently two more Administrators, Pendaric and ju'iblex, also resigned. With Jet Black, Dean Anderson, and Octavia having resigned earlier, that's a total of 6 non-BoD administrators who resigned over the BoD's mismanagement of IIDB within the space of less than two months. I will add that when the administrators were finally told of the first two decisions from the Board of Directors' face-to-face meeting (more than a week after the meeting), I resigned as Lead Administrator rather than execute the BoD's instructions. Subsequently two more Administrators, Pendaric and ju'iblex, also resigned. With Jet Black, Dean Anderson, and Octavia having resigned earlier, that's a total of 6 non-BoD administrators who resigned over the BoD's mismanagement of IIDB within the space of less than two months.

]]> By: James Bradbury http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29348 James Bradbury Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:02:36 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29348 Emanuel Goldstein, Not all atheists are great people just as <a href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/the-witch-children-of-nigeria.html" rel="nofollow">not all Christians are</a>. However, the point is that there's nothing about atheism which promotes authoritarian behaviour. As you can see from the reaction to the IIDB situation, most atheists are strongly opposed to authoritarianism. It doesn't always rule it out, but I challenge anyone to show any reason why atheism <i>causes</i> authoritarian closed-mindedness. Note, I'm not asking you to show an example of when the two happen together, there are plenty of those, but a casual link from not believing in any gods to the stifling of free thought. I don't believe such a link exists, but I'm willing to look at any evidence you might have. Emanuel Goldstein,
Not all atheists are great people just as not all Christians are. However, the point is that there's nothing about atheism which promotes authoritarian behaviour. As you can see from the reaction to the IIDB situation, most atheists are strongly opposed to authoritarianism.

It doesn't always rule it out, but I challenge anyone to show any reason why atheism causes authoritarian closed-mindedness. Note, I'm not asking you to show an example of when the two happen together, there are plenty of those, but a casual link from not believing in any gods to the stifling of free thought. I don't believe such a link exists, but I'm willing to look at any evidence you might have.

]]> By: Emanuel Goldstein http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29347 Emanuel Goldstein Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:08:11 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29347 The amusing thing about atheists, if that after telling us there is no God to tell us what to do, THEY want to tell us what to do. Why the suprise? The amusing thing about atheists, if that after telling us there is no God to tell us what to do, THEY want to tell us what to do.

Why the suprise?

]]> By: Alex Weaver http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29305 Alex Weaver Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:16:25 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29305 In keeping with Adam's post above, in case that announcement vanishes once the "leadership" realizes how poor a light it presents them in, I've saved a copy of that announcement to disk both as text and a screen capture and will be happy to provide it for future distribution. One thing that caught my eye: <blockquote>5. None of these changes, including the temporary suspensions, are meant to be punitive.</blockquote> Yeah, and cdesign proponentsists are motivated by honest examination of the evidence. In keeping with Adam's post above, in case that announcement vanishes once the "leadership" realizes how poor a light it presents them in, I've saved a copy of that announcement to disk both as text and a screen capture and will be happy to provide it for future distribution.

One thing that caught my eye:

5. None of these changes, including the temporary suspensions, are meant to be punitive.

Yeah, and cdesign proponentsists are motivated by honest examination of the evidence.

]]> By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29260 Ebonmuse Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:06:18 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/a-note-on-the-iidb-situation.html#comment-29260 Thanks for the update, Cath. It's unfortunate to hear that, after some earlier hopeful signs, the Board has reversed direction and instituted a full-scale, Soviet Union-style clampdown on dissent. I wish it were otherwise, but this makes me doubly glad I created this thread - that way, the record of what has happened will not disappear from the internet, no matter how many complaint threads they delete. (FYI, <a href="http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=5034347#post5034347">here's the announcement</a> in which the Board says they will no longer be permitting debate about this. I find it unbelievable how blatantly totalitarian their language has become.) Thanks for the update, Cath. It's unfortunate to hear that, after some earlier hopeful signs, the Board has reversed direction and instituted a full-scale, Soviet Union-style clampdown on dissent. I wish it were otherwise, but this makes me doubly glad I created this thread - that way, the record of what has happened will not disappear from the internet, no matter how many complaint threads they delete.

(FYI, here's the announcement in which the Board says they will no longer be permitting debate about this. I find it unbelievable how blatantly totalitarian their language has become.)

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