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	<title>Comments on: Probing the Prosperity Gospel</title>
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		<title>By: chas</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/probing-the-prosperity-gospel.html#comment-53062</link>
		<dc:creator>chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First-time commenter - lurker for about a year. Very interesting site. Here are updated links to Sen. Grassley&#039;s letters to &lt;a href=&quot;http://grassley.senate.gov/releases/2007/110620075.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Creflo Dollar&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://grassley.senate.gov/releases/2007/110620073.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joyce Meyer&lt;/a&gt;. Hemant Mehta&#039;s Blog also has a post on &lt;a href=&quot;http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/12/21/the-problem-with-the-prosperity-gospel&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Prosperity Gospel&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First-time commenter - lurker for about a year. Very interesting site. Here are updated links to Sen. Grassley's letters to <a href="http://grassley.senate.gov/releases/2007/110620075.pdf" rel="nofollow">Creflo Dollar</a> and <a href="http://grassley.senate.gov/releases/2007/110620073.pdf" rel="nofollow">Joyce Meyer</a>. Hemant Mehta's Blog also has a post on <a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/12/21/the-problem-with-the-prosperity-gospel" rel="nofollow">The Prosperity Gospel</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ridger</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/probing-the-prosperity-gospel.html#comment-28753</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ridger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I say Amen? 

Churches have been allowed to play both sides of the fence too long. If they&#039;re going to keep their tax-exempt status, they have to follow the law. No politics, no diverting the cash into the preacher&#039;s pockets, and all the rest of it. Stringent and transparent and &lt;b&gt;yes&lt;/b&gt;, affect &quot;all religious groups&quot; and &quot;the privacy of every community church in America.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I say Amen? </p>
<p>Churches have been allowed to play both sides of the fence too long. If they're going to keep their tax-exempt status, they have to follow the law. No politics, no diverting the cash into the preacher's pockets, and all the rest of it. Stringent and transparent and <b>yes</b>, affect "all religious groups" and "the privacy of every community church in America."</p>
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		<title>By: lpetrich</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/probing-the-prosperity-gospel.html#comment-28721</link>
		<dc:creator>lpetrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that a serious problem here is that much of our society considers the religion business untouchable; &quot;mainstream&quot; religions are automatically &quot;good&quot;, no matter what. You get get away with whatever outrages you want as long as you hide behind pious talk about Jeeeeeezus. Look at the Catholic Church -- it&#039;s taken pedophilia scandals to cut them down.

And the Rev. Creflo Dollar has followed the long Xian tradition of making Jesus Christ seem like him; he has a theology of JC having been rich. He notes such things as the expensive gifts that the three wise men had given him and how the Roman soldiers thought his clothes worth gambling over when he was crucified.

Something that Xenophanes would have understood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that a serious problem here is that much of our society considers the religion business untouchable; "mainstream" religions are automatically "good", no matter what. You get get away with whatever outrages you want as long as you hide behind pious talk about Jeeeeeezus. Look at the Catholic Church -- it's taken pedophilia scandals to cut them down.</p>
<p>And the Rev. Creflo Dollar has followed the long Xian tradition of making Jesus Christ seem like him; he has a theology of JC having been rich. He notes such things as the expensive gifts that the three wise men had given him and how the Roman soldiers thought his clothes worth gambling over when he was crucified.</p>
<p>Something that Xenophanes would have understood.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, they are cons and crooks and I would love to see them all fall flat on their lying faces.  The problem is that so many people are deceived. They are also just as greedy as these wolves are. They love the easy get rich doctrine. All you have to do brother and sister is send in as much as you can and god will restore it 100 fold! Greed plays a huge part in all of it on both sides. As long as people stay that self-centered and naive, these fools will continue on. I have decided anyone who follows these snake oil salesmen deserve whatever they get, or lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, they are cons and crooks and I would love to see them all fall flat on their lying faces.  The problem is that so many people are deceived. They are also just as greedy as these wolves are. They love the easy get rich doctrine. All you have to do brother and sister is send in as much as you can and god will restore it 100 fold! Greed plays a huge part in all of it on both sides. As long as people stay that self-centered and naive, these fools will continue on. I have decided anyone who follows these snake oil salesmen deserve whatever they get, or lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/probing-the-prosperity-gospel.html#comment-28674</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m reminded of [snip] Matthew 21:12-13, Mark 11:15-17, Luke 19:45-46, John 2:13-16, Matt 19:16-24, Matt 6:19-21, Matt 6:25-34, Matt 6:24, 1 Timothy 6:10.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, Ipetrich, but don&#039;t you know that fallen Man cannot follow the commandments of God?  So there&#039;s no point in trying to point all this out to a Christian: he or she will just claim that they&#039;re a sinner, and then start talking about how the blood of Jesus has washed them clean, regardless of what sins they may have, or may still be, committing.

&lt;blockquote&gt;and that Ananias and Sapphira were zapped when they tried to hang on to their money (Acts 5:1-11), which seems rather Stalinist. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve just moved to a border town where the only radio station in English is a Christian broadcaster.  They&#039;ve got a Thanksgiving fundraiser and -- what do you know? -- this very passage is quoted &lt;i&gt;ad nauseam&lt;/i&gt;, alongside the Parable of the Widow and the Two Pennies, to get people to give whatever money they haven&#039;t already donated.

For, &quot;What the gnawing locust has left, the swarming locust has eaten; And what the swarming locust has left, the creeping locust has eaten; And what the creeping locust has left, the stripping locust has eaten.&quot;  (Joel 1:4)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm reminded of [snip] Matthew 21:12-13, Mark 11:15-17, Luke 19:45-46, John 2:13-16, Matt 19:16-24, Matt 6:19-21, Matt 6:25-34, Matt 6:24, 1 Timothy 6:10.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, Ipetrich, but don't you know that fallen Man cannot follow the commandments of God?  So there's no point in trying to point all this out to a Christian: he or she will just claim that they're a sinner, and then start talking about how the blood of Jesus has washed them clean, regardless of what sins they may have, or may still be, committing.</p>
<blockquote><p>and that Ananias and Sapphira were zapped when they tried to hang on to their money (Acts 5:1-11), which seems rather Stalinist. </p></blockquote>
<p>I've just moved to a border town where the only radio station in English is a Christian broadcaster.  They've got a Thanksgiving fundraiser and -- what do you know? -- this very passage is quoted <i>ad nauseam</i>, alongside the Parable of the Widow and the Two Pennies, to get people to give whatever money they haven't already donated.</p>
<p>For, "What the gnawing locust has left, the swarming locust has eaten; And what the swarming locust has left, the creeping locust has eaten; And what the creeping locust has left, the stripping locust has eaten."  (Joel 1:4)</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Weaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your blog&#039;s stated goal seems like a good one, Ryan, but advertising in this fashion is appreciated by approximately no one.  I&#039;m surprised PZ hasn&#039;t said something to you about it in the several Pharyngula threads you&#039;ve posted essentially the same thing in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your blog's stated goal seems like a good one, Ryan, but advertising in this fashion is appreciated by approximately no one.  I'm surprised PZ hasn't said something to you about it in the several Pharyngula threads you've posted essentially the same thing in.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evangelists are about the most corrupt, money grubbing, hypocritical, lazy bastards you can find anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evangelists are about the most corrupt, money grubbing, hypocritical, lazy bastards you can find anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Thumpalumpacus</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/probing-the-prosperity-gospel.html#comment-28659</link>
		<dc:creator>Thumpalumpacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Randi&#039;s aging -- but excellent -- book &quot;Flim-Flam&quot; has one helluvan exposé on these jerks . . . how they use spotters with radios to point out ailing believers in need of &quot;healing&quot; which is most often temporary anyway, so that they could convince the bed-ridden or home-bound to donate even more.

And yes, they had their share of fancy toilets, too.  Isn&#039;t that pretty revealing?

Finally, I must comment on the delicious irony of one of these hucksters bearing the family name &quot;Dollar&quot;.  Oh, if only his mother had named him &quot;Freflo&quot; instead [sigh].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Randi's aging -- but excellent -- book "Flim-Flam" has one helluvan exposé on these jerks . . . how they use spotters with radios to point out ailing believers in need of "healing" which is most often temporary anyway, so that they could convince the bed-ridden or home-bound to donate even more.</p>
<p>And yes, they had their share of fancy toilets, too.  Isn't that pretty revealing?</p>
<p>Finally, I must comment on the delicious irony of one of these hucksters bearing the family name "Dollar".  Oh, if only his mother had named him "Freflo" instead [sigh].</p>
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		<title>By: lpetrich</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/11/probing-the-prosperity-gospel.html#comment-28658</link>
		<dc:creator>lpetrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of Jesus Christ&#039;s Temple temper tantrum (Matthew 21:12-13, Mark 11:15-17, Luke 19:45-46, John 2:13-16) and his various anti-wealth and anti-capitalist sayings.

&lt;i&gt;Sell everything you have and give the money to the poor, because a rich person can no more make it into Heaven than a camel or thick rope can go through the eye of a needle.&lt;/i&gt; (Matt 19:16-24)

&lt;i&gt;Accumulate heavenly treasures, not earthly ones, which are vulnerable.&lt;/i&gt; (Matt 6:19-21)

&lt;i&gt;Don&#039;t show any foresight, because God will always deliver, as he delivers food to birds and clothes to wildflowers.&lt;/i&gt; (Matt 6:25-34)

&lt;i&gt;You cannot serve both God and money.&lt;/i&gt; (Matt 6:24)

Elsewhere in the New Testament, we find that

&lt;i&gt;The love of money is the root of all evil.&lt;/i&gt; (1 Timothy 6:10)

and that Ananias and Sapphira were zapped when they tried to hang on to their money (Acts 5:1-11), which seems rather Stalinist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm reminded of Jesus Christ's Temple temper tantrum (Matthew 21:12-13, Mark 11:15-17, Luke 19:45-46, John 2:13-16) and his various anti-wealth and anti-capitalist sayings.</p>
<p><i>Sell everything you have and give the money to the poor, because a rich person can no more make it into Heaven than a camel or thick rope can go through the eye of a needle.</i> (Matt 19:16-24)</p>
<p><i>Accumulate heavenly treasures, not earthly ones, which are vulnerable.</i> (Matt 6:19-21)</p>
<p><i>Don't show any foresight, because God will always deliver, as he delivers food to birds and clothes to wildflowers.</i> (Matt 6:25-34)</p>
<p><i>You cannot serve both God and money.</i> (Matt 6:24)</p>
<p>Elsewhere in the New Testament, we find that</p>
<p><i>The love of money is the root of all evil.</i> (1 Timothy 6:10)</p>
<p>and that Ananias and Sapphira were zapped when they tried to hang on to their money (Acts 5:1-11), which seems rather Stalinist.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;what sane person would throw a large pecentage of cash at the sharp suited evangelicals that pitch god through a TV?&lt;/blockquote&gt;


The vulnerable person, the desperate person, the poor, the undereducated, the trusting, the gullible, the disenfranchised, the elderly - these are the victims of the televangelists and the prosperity gospel hucksters in the U.S. 

In short, the people that are being defrauded by these shameless individuals are those that Jesus called &quot;the least of these,&quot; the ones he told his followers to care for and protect especially in &quot;his name.&quot;

The fact that more Christians do not recognize this and lead the charge against these charlatans is only one of many major hypocrisies within Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>what sane person would throw a large pecentage of cash at the sharp suited evangelicals that pitch god through a TV?</p></blockquote>
<p>The vulnerable person, the desperate person, the poor, the undereducated, the trusting, the gullible, the disenfranchised, the elderly - these are the victims of the televangelists and the prosperity gospel hucksters in the U.S. </p>
<p>In short, the people that are being defrauded by these shameless individuals are those that Jesus called "the least of these," the ones he told his followers to care for and protect especially in "his name."</p>
<p>The fact that more Christians do not recognize this and lead the charge against these charlatans is only one of many major hypocrisies within Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: RiddleOfSteel</title>
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		<dc:creator>RiddleOfSteel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;It makes sense to me (as far as any religious practise does) that people would donate to their local church/mosque/synagogue but what sane person would throw a large pecentage of cash at the sharp suited evangelicals that pitch god through a TV?&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; 

It is indeed hard to believe that people are giving to these televangelists.  I can&#039;t figure it out.  But it seems there are an ever increasing number of prosperity preachers taking to the airwaves.  The UHF stations in my locale are littered with them most Sundays.  These preachers have a common language of keywords such as &quot;increase&quot;, &quot;anointing&quot;, and &quot;abundance&quot;.  Viewers are enjoined to &quot;sow a seed&quot; in order to receive the &quot;anointing&quot; (read cash back).  It is claimed that giving will result in &quot;increase&quot; and &quot;abundance&quot; for the giver (read cash back).

Ebonmuse mentioned Paula White, and this woman is a real piece of work - maybe the worst of the lot.  I watch occasionally for entertainment value, and one day she had on that shyster Donald Trump peddling a book.  Paula was trying to tie “The Donald’s” financial practices in with her prosperity gospel.  I hope Senator Grassley follows through and makes these people account for their activities.  I am impressed these days when any holder of public office takes on religion regardless of party.  Keep in mind that in my home state of Illinois, it was the Democrat controlled senate that just foisted on our public schools the mandatory so called Moment of Silence legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It makes sense to me (as far as any religious practise does) that people would donate to their local church/mosque/synagogue but what sane person would throw a large pecentage of cash at the sharp suited evangelicals that pitch god through a TV?</p></blockquote>
<p>It is indeed hard to believe that people are giving to these televangelists.  I can't figure it out.  But it seems there are an ever increasing number of prosperity preachers taking to the airwaves.  The UHF stations in my locale are littered with them most Sundays.  These preachers have a common language of keywords such as "increase", "anointing", and "abundance".  Viewers are enjoined to "sow a seed" in order to receive the "anointing" (read cash back).  It is claimed that giving will result in "increase" and "abundance" for the giver (read cash back).</p>
<p>Ebonmuse mentioned Paula White, and this woman is a real piece of work - maybe the worst of the lot.  I watch occasionally for entertainment value, and one day she had on that shyster Donald Trump peddling a book.  Paula was trying to tie “The Donald’s” financial practices in with her prosperity gospel.  I hope Senator Grassley follows through and makes these people account for their activities.  I am impressed these days when any holder of public office takes on religion regardless of party.  Keep in mind that in my home state of Illinois, it was the Democrat controlled senate that just foisted on our public schools the mandatory so called Moment of Silence legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Brit who occasionally visits the US for business I am constantly amazed by the sheer amount of televangelism on American TV. From a UK/European perspective it looks tacky, highly commercial and bears no resemblance to any religious broadcasting we would see over here. I guess the point I&#039;m making is that is that it is so obviously a con and the preachers so obviously self serving that I find it hard to understand why anyone would fall for it.It makes sense to me (as far as any religious practise does) that people would donate to their local church/mosque/synagogue but what sane person would throw a large pecentage of cash at the sharp suited evangelicals that pitch god through a TV?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Brit who occasionally visits the US for business I am constantly amazed by the sheer amount of televangelism on American TV. From a UK/European perspective it looks tacky, highly commercial and bears no resemblance to any religious broadcasting we would see over here. I guess the point I'm making is that is that it is so obviously a con and the preachers so obviously self serving that I find it hard to understand why anyone would fall for it.It makes sense to me (as far as any religious practise does) that people would donate to their local church/mosque/synagogue but what sane person would throw a large pecentage of cash at the sharp suited evangelicals that pitch god through a TV?</p>
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