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	<title>Comments on: Season of Division: The Episcopal Church Splits Up</title>
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	<description>NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION.</description>
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		<title>By: OMGF</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/season-of-division.html#comment-29241</link>
		<dc:creator>OMGF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Recently the Wisconsin branch (or whatever you call it) decided not to bless gay marriages because there was a general fear that the church would split - which I guess is not unfounded considering the Anglicans. But the thing I don't understand is why they would care if all the bigots left.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Because it is more important to stick together than to do what is right.  This is the argument that I make most often against "moderate" theists.  More often than not, they tend to side with the more extreme elements simply because it's better to be on god's team than do what is right.  In this case, they can't denounce bigotry, because it would alienate some people on the team.  Disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Recently the Wisconsin branch (or whatever you call it) decided not to bless gay marriages because there was a general fear that the church would split - which I guess is not unfounded considering the Anglicans. But the thing I don't understand is why they would care if all the bigots left.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because it is more important to stick together than to do what is right.  This is the argument that I make most often against "moderate" theists.  More often than not, they tend to side with the more extreme elements simply because it's better to be on god's team than do what is right.  In this case, they can't denounce bigotry, because it would alienate some people on the team.  Disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/season-of-division.html#comment-29230</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something similar happened recently in the Netherlands. Three protestant churches decided it was time to stop squabbling and form a single church: the PKN (Protestantse Kerk in Nederland). However, numerous members had no desire whatever to stop squabbling, so formed splinter groups, and instead of the number of churches decreasing from 3 to 1, it increased from 3 to 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something similar happened recently in the Netherlands. Three protestant churches decided it was time to stop squabbling and form a single church: the PKN (Protestantse Kerk in Nederland). However, numerous members had no desire whatever to stop squabbling, so formed splinter groups, and instead of the number of churches decreasing from 3 to 1, it increased from 3 to 5.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/season-of-division.html#comment-29213</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS-0Az7dgRY"&gt;Splitters!!&lt;/a&gt;

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS-0Az7dgRY">Splitters!!</a></p>
<p>:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/season-of-division.html#comment-29200</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &lt;i&gt;figurative&lt;/i&gt; full-scale civil war. (I hope.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <i>figurative</i> full-scale civil war. (I hope.)</p>
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		<title>By: DamienSansBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/season-of-division.html#comment-29198</link>
		<dc:creator>DamienSansBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;there may eventually be a full-scale civil war between liberal and conservative factions of Anglicanism. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I certainly hope not.  I'd prefer not to have another Thirty Years' War, especially now that the participants can arm themselves with assault rifles instead of muskets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>there may eventually be a full-scale civil war between liberal and conservative factions of Anglicanism. </p></blockquote>
<p>I certainly hope not.  I'd prefer not to have another Thirty Years' War, especially now that the participants can arm themselves with assault rifles instead of muskets.</p>
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		<title>By: javaman</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/season-of-division.html#comment-29194</link>
		<dc:creator>javaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>our evil atheism plan is working..........excellent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our evil atheism plan is working..........excellent!</p>
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		<title>By: Spanish Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/season-of-division.html#comment-29185</link>
		<dc:creator>Spanish Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn't it be nice if the logical culmination of this splintering was to keep dividing the congregations until they got to the point where every single congregant was actually his own church?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn't it be nice if the logical culmination of this splintering was to keep dividing the congregations until they got to the point where every single congregant was actually his own church?</p>
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		<title>By: Thumpalumpacus</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/season-of-division.html#comment-29182</link>
		<dc:creator>Thumpalumpacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just cannot help a small -- okay, medium-sized -- upwelling of schadenfreud on reading this.  First, I am always happy when I see a denomination split asunder; the principle of mass, and its obverse mean that this is neccessarily weakening.  Additionally, I'm granted a ringside seat to an argument consisting of:

"I'm stupider that thou."
"No, I am!"

and so forth, which can be entertaining when the participants have creativity.  And finally, I am given hope that perhaps these worldly changes to "eternal truth" will cause one or more believers to question their faith.  And that is certainly a valid reason for pleasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just cannot help a small -- okay, medium-sized -- upwelling of schadenfreud on reading this.  First, I am always happy when I see a denomination split asunder; the principle of mass, and its obverse mean that this is neccessarily weakening.  Additionally, I'm granted a ringside seat to an argument consisting of:</p>
<p>"I'm stupider that thou."<br />
"No, I am!"</p>
<p>and so forth, which can be entertaining when the participants have creativity.  And finally, I am given hope that perhaps these worldly changes to "eternal truth" will cause one or more believers to question their faith.  And that is certainly a valid reason for pleasure.</p>
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		<title>By: Entomologista</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/season-of-division.html#comment-29181</link>
		<dc:creator>Entomologista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A similar debate has been going on in the Methodist Church, at least in Wisconsin. My dad is pretty involved in church politics, and he's a liberal sort of guy. Recently the Wisconsin branch (or whatever you call it) decided not to bless gay marriages because there was a general fear that the church would split - which I guess is not unfounded considering the Anglicans. But the thing I don't understand is why they would care if all the bigots left. A lot of bigots left my dad's church just because there is a lesbian couple that attends regularly. I'm not sure why we should all tip-toe around the feelings of bigots. We should be marginalizing these assholes, not pretending like they've got a valid opinion. But I suppose church politics wouldn't make any sense to an atheist anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar debate has been going on in the Methodist Church, at least in Wisconsin. My dad is pretty involved in church politics, and he's a liberal sort of guy. Recently the Wisconsin branch (or whatever you call it) decided not to bless gay marriages because there was a general fear that the church would split - which I guess is not unfounded considering the Anglicans. But the thing I don't understand is why they would care if all the bigots left. A lot of bigots left my dad's church just because there is a lesbian couple that attends regularly. I'm not sure why we should all tip-toe around the feelings of bigots. We should be marginalizing these assholes, not pretending like they've got a valid opinion. But I suppose church politics wouldn't make any sense to an atheist anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: NoAstronomer</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/season-of-division.html#comment-29180</link>
		<dc:creator>NoAstronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Episodes like this, including the row over women priests in the catholic church, remind me of listening to my kids squabble about who sits where in the back seat of the car.  Only this is funnier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Episodes like this, including the row over women priests in the catholic church, remind me of listening to my kids squabble about who sits where in the back seat of the car.  Only this is funnier.</p>
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