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	<title>Comments on: Movie Review: The Golden Compass</title>
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		<title>By: RollingStone</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/the-golden-compass.html#comment-31807</link>
		<dc:creator>RollingStone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're missing the point, Ken. Force has nothing to do with it. No one here is saying that Christians should be forced to see the movie. If they don't want to see it, they don't have to see it. We're not calling these people bigots. The bigots are the people who take it farther than that and try to impose their own opinions on everyone else. The bigots are those who insist that, since they don't want to see the movie (or, to be more precise, be exposed to its ideas), no one else should either. This is the promotion of censorship. While the First Amendment fortunately prohibits these people from  banning books and movies on a national scale, I have no doubt that they would if they could. In school libraries, they've already started. 

Here's a quote that I like from Atheist Alliance International (AAI) about the controversey over the film: "During the release of movies such as 'The Passion of the Christ' and 'Jesus Camp', AAI did not promote censorship in any form. AAI, in fact, encouraged its members to experience these films and discuss them freely in order to discover their own truths. AAI is only asking for the same consideration and respect from the religious community."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're missing the point, Ken. Force has nothing to do with it. No one here is saying that Christians should be forced to see the movie. If they don't want to see it, they don't have to see it. We're not calling these people bigots. The bigots are the people who take it farther than that and try to impose their own opinions on everyone else. The bigots are those who insist that, since they don't want to see the movie (or, to be more precise, be exposed to its ideas), no one else should either. This is the promotion of censorship. While the First Amendment fortunately prohibits these people from  banning books and movies on a national scale, I have no doubt that they would if they could. In school libraries, they've already started. </p>
<p>Here's a quote that I like from Atheist Alliance International (AAI) about the controversey over the film: "During the release of movies such as 'The Passion of the Christ' and 'Jesus Camp', AAI did not promote censorship in any form. AAI, in fact, encouraged its members to experience these films and discuss them freely in order to discover their own truths. AAI is only asking for the same consideration and respect from the religious community."</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Kimball</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/the-golden-compass.html#comment-29746</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Kimball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hardly think a Christian not wanting to fund someone who clearly wants to undermine the teaching of their children as a bigot.  Poor choice of words and quite ignorant of reality.  Freedom means if you don't like something you don't have to go whether it be Narnia or Compass.  Calling someone a bigot that is simply exercising this right means the guilty dog is barking....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hardly think a Christian not wanting to fund someone who clearly wants to undermine the teaching of their children as a bigot.  Poor choice of words and quite ignorant of reality.  Freedom means if you don't like something you don't have to go whether it be Narnia or Compass.  Calling someone a bigot that is simply exercising this right means the guilty dog is barking....</p>
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		<title>By: Nicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never read the books and after seeing the movie I have no real desire to read them.

The movie, to be honest, bored me to tears. 

Unfortunately the movie was paced in such a manner that I felt no real emotional connection to any of the characters, and the plot was very much lacking in any real depth, or so it seemed to me.

What I find sad is that the movie is not being judged fairly. People are too concerned with the drama surrounding the ideas in the books to address the movie directly. Either fans are loving it because they loved the books, or critics of the book are hating it simply because they feel attacked by the book. No one seems able to address the film on it's own merit.

I suppose this is the problem when one takes a popular book series and makes it into a movie, people are unable to divorce one from the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never read the books and after seeing the movie I have no real desire to read them.</p>
<p>The movie, to be honest, bored me to tears. </p>
<p>Unfortunately the movie was paced in such a manner that I felt no real emotional connection to any of the characters, and the plot was very much lacking in any real depth, or so it seemed to me.</p>
<p>What I find sad is that the movie is not being judged fairly. People are too concerned with the drama surrounding the ideas in the books to address the movie directly. Either fans are loving it because they loved the books, or critics of the book are hating it simply because they feel attacked by the book. No one seems able to address the film on it's own merit.</p>
<p>I suppose this is the problem when one takes a popular book series and makes it into a movie, people are unable to divorce one from the other.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/the-golden-compass.html#comment-29365</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Also predictably, these changes had no effect on the self-appointed guardians of dogma, who only need to catch the merest whiff of dissent to thunder about 'disrespect' and demand that the offender be censored and punished to make them feel better."

Wait, the changes they made did not affect the depictions of the Magisterial leaders in the film?  Or the changes had no effect on the behavior of the religious loonies in real life?  I'm not sure which group you're referring to, which says it all to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Also predictably, these changes had no effect on the self-appointed guardians of dogma, who only need to catch the merest whiff of dissent to thunder about 'disrespect' and demand that the offender be censored and punished to make them feel better."</p>
<p>Wait, the changes they made did not affect the depictions of the Magisterial leaders in the film?  Or the changes had no effect on the behavior of the religious loonies in real life?  I'm not sure which group you're referring to, which says it all to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Rhapsody</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/the-golden-compass.html#comment-29310</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn Rhapsody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The constant chain-emails going around calling for a boycott of this movie are getting progressively more frustrating. One of my Catholic best friends told me not to see it because it's "about a group of kids who go out and kill God". I suggested to him that he should change religion and worship these new, all-powerful kids who, in novelised form, took down an all-powerful deity without even referencing his name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The constant chain-emails going around calling for a boycott of this movie are getting progressively more frustrating. One of my Catholic best friends told me not to see it because it's "about a group of kids who go out and kill God". I suggested to him that he should change religion and worship these new, all-powerful kids who, in novelised form, took down an all-powerful deity without even referencing his name.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/the-golden-compass.html#comment-29309</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pullman's Trilogy is not explicitly anti-Catholic. In his novels The Church is based in Geneva and is clearly a worst-of-both-worlds Catholic/Calvinist hybrid. The books are explicitly anti-Christian, though I would say they are more Gnostic than atheist. It's not so much that there isn't a God, it's more that God is not really the almighty being he has hoodwinked us into believing he is.

For the Gnostics, Cathars, and followers of Marcion, the deceptive Demiurge of the Jewish texts was overthrown by the authority and revealation of Jesus Christ. There is no mention of a Christ-like figure in Pullman's trilogy, though there must have been one since The Church seems to be distinct from Judaism.

But overall the the books are a Nietzschean repudiation of the Christian tradition. The Church suppresses all the pleasures and freedoms which are part of natural human thriving. 

Does the film use the term "intercision" to refer to the seperation of human from daimon as the book does? "Intercision" is meant to sound like "circumcision", and according to the witches of the north intercision was simply a high-tech and effective procedure that finally acheived the goal of de-souling that had been previously attemped by various genital modifications of both males and females.

This is the reason we secularists must work for the complete elimination of all the Middle-Eastern monotheistic faiths. If they want to surgically rape babies, we have to deconvert as many Jewish, Christian, and Muslim crazies until we have such a majority that we can force them to stop these sexual assaults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pullman's Trilogy is not explicitly anti-Catholic. In his novels The Church is based in Geneva and is clearly a worst-of-both-worlds Catholic/Calvinist hybrid. The books are explicitly anti-Christian, though I would say they are more Gnostic than atheist. It's not so much that there isn't a God, it's more that God is not really the almighty being he has hoodwinked us into believing he is.</p>
<p>For the Gnostics, Cathars, and followers of Marcion, the deceptive Demiurge of the Jewish texts was overthrown by the authority and revealation of Jesus Christ. There is no mention of a Christ-like figure in Pullman's trilogy, though there must have been one since The Church seems to be distinct from Judaism.</p>
<p>But overall the the books are a Nietzschean repudiation of the Christian tradition. The Church suppresses all the pleasures and freedoms which are part of natural human thriving. </p>
<p>Does the film use the term "intercision" to refer to the seperation of human from daimon as the book does? "Intercision" is meant to sound like "circumcision", and according to the witches of the north intercision was simply a high-tech and effective procedure that finally acheived the goal of de-souling that had been previously attemped by various genital modifications of both males and females.</p>
<p>This is the reason we secularists must work for the complete elimination of all the Middle-Eastern monotheistic faiths. If they want to surgically rape babies, we have to deconvert as many Jewish, Christian, and Muslim crazies until we have such a majority that we can force them to stop these sexual assaults.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynet</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/the-golden-compass.html#comment-29308</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, James is doing my shameless self-promotion for me! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, James is doing my shameless self-promotion for me! :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Christoph</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2007/12/the-golden-compass.html#comment-29306</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really enjoyed your review and wondered whether you would address the issues surrounding the boycott of this film.  I loved the books and dreaded what they would do to the film.  However, I was pleasantly surprised.  Even with the free thought point of view watered down, the film still managed to be surprisingly entertaining.  Both Dakota Blue Richards and Nicole Kidman were quite marvellous in their roles, and the effects were visually stunning.  

If you had any doubts about what a phony fascist that Bill Donohue is, one need only examine his reasons for the boycott.  Initially, he bemoaned the horrid atheist agenda that the film would impart.  Then when he discovered that the film had pretty much been defanged, he switched tactics and claimed the boycott was to prevent children and young adults who might feel compelled to read the books by watching the film.  Heaven forbid, that this media hog abandon a chance for him to be in the media spotlight (much like the odious Donald Wildmon).  

Unfortunately, I don't think it will ultimately help this film, since we have so many unquestioning indoctrinated people in the US, who vilify things because their religious leaders tell them to rather than because they have any personal knowledge or have done any research for themselves.  This scandal does not seem to have taken root overseas where the film is enjoying larger success and people are apparently more confident in their beliefs.  Donohue and his minions act as though they were protecting a thin-skinned human rather than a god who could suffer no ill effects from such trivial things as humans, or books, or films.  The irony never ceases to amaze me in how so many of the devout (at least in the US) take offense and cry foul over anything that depicts them as authoritarian tyrants who seek to control  everyone (including people outside of their flocks) through intimidation and suppression of opposing viewpoints, and then proceed to conduct themselves in exactly the way that they claim they are unfairly depicted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really enjoyed your review and wondered whether you would address the issues surrounding the boycott of this film.  I loved the books and dreaded what they would do to the film.  However, I was pleasantly surprised.  Even with the free thought point of view watered down, the film still managed to be surprisingly entertaining.  Both Dakota Blue Richards and Nicole Kidman were quite marvellous in their roles, and the effects were visually stunning.  </p>
<p>If you had any doubts about what a phony fascist that Bill Donohue is, one need only examine his reasons for the boycott.  Initially, he bemoaned the horrid atheist agenda that the film would impart.  Then when he discovered that the film had pretty much been defanged, he switched tactics and claimed the boycott was to prevent children and young adults who might feel compelled to read the books by watching the film.  Heaven forbid, that this media hog abandon a chance for him to be in the media spotlight (much like the odious Donald Wildmon).  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I don't think it will ultimately help this film, since we have so many unquestioning indoctrinated people in the US, who vilify things because their religious leaders tell them to rather than because they have any personal knowledge or have done any research for themselves.  This scandal does not seem to have taken root overseas where the film is enjoying larger success and people are apparently more confident in their beliefs.  Donohue and his minions act as though they were protecting a thin-skinned human rather than a god who could suffer no ill effects from such trivial things as humans, or books, or films.  The irony never ceases to amaze me in how so many of the devout (at least in the US) take offense and cry foul over anything that depicts them as authoritarian tyrants who seek to control  everyone (including people outside of their flocks) through intimidation and suppression of opposing viewpoints, and then proceed to conduct themselves in exactly the way that they claim they are unfairly depicted.</p>
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		<title>By: John Pageless</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Pageless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Plonkee, Ebonmuse, and Antigone! Thanks for answering my question... I didn't think it would be, but thought that I'd rather ask then assume. Although there is something to be said about the cowardice involved by avoiding "offensive material", I'm personally just looking for a good fantasy novel to read and thought this might fit the bill. Hence the question. :-)

Namaste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Plonkee, Ebonmuse, and Antigone! Thanks for answering my question... I didn't think it would be, but thought that I'd rather ask then assume. Although there is something to be said about the cowardice involved by avoiding "offensive material", I'm personally just looking for a good fantasy novel to read and thought this might fit the bill. Hence the question. :-)</p>
<p>Namaste.</p>
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		<title>By: James Bradbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Bradbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great review, I agree overall, but think that it's near impossible to fit a book into a film completely enough to satisfy ardent fans of the books, they'd need to split the 3 books into 5 films or something. I thought they got all the essentials in there and ended up with an entertaining (although fast paced) film. One point though, it's set (initially) in Oxford, not London.

Lynet has already written about the &lt;a href="http://elliptica.blogspot.com/2007/11/religious-and-anti-religious-themes-in.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; religious and anti-religious themes in the books&lt;/a&gt; a month ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great review, I agree overall, but think that it's near impossible to fit a book into a film completely enough to satisfy ardent fans of the books, they'd need to split the 3 books into 5 films or something. I thought they got all the essentials in there and ended up with an entertaining (although fast paced) film. One point though, it's set (initially) in Oxford, not London.</p>
<p>Lynet has already written about the <a href="http://elliptica.blogspot.com/2007/11/religious-and-anti-religious-themes-in.html" rel="nofollow"> religious and anti-religious themes in the books</a> a month ago.</p>
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