Comments on: Heaven at the Price of Hell http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:07:34 +0000 By: KShep http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30959 KShep Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:22:00 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30959 Robert, goyo---- You guys are wasting your time. Dutch has been alluding to some kind of "special" insight on other threads for a few weeks now and apparently has no intention of revealing it here. He just keeps saying things like "you wouldn't believe me if I told you" and moving on. Robert, goyo----

You guys are wasting your time. Dutch has been alluding to some kind of "special" insight on other threads for a few weeks now and apparently has no intention of revealing it here. He just keeps saying things like "you wouldn't believe me if I told you" and moving on.

]]> By: Robert Madewell http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30958 Robert Madewell Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:38:16 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30958 Hey Dutch, You allude to this special knowlege. Why not share it? I am a freethinker and I promise that I will keep an open mind. Of course, if it's absurd, I'll tell you. But, I will research it too. Hey goyo, I too am an ex-fundie. Also an ex-praiseleader. My father is still a pastor of a baptist-like church. Hey Dutch, You allude to this special knowlege. Why not share it? I am a freethinker and I promise that I will keep an open mind. Of course, if it's absurd, I'll tell you. But, I will research it too.

Hey goyo, I too am an ex-fundie. Also an ex-praiseleader. My father is still a pastor of a baptist-like church.

]]> By: goyo http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30951 goyo Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:28:17 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30951 Dutch: Read elsewhere, what? I am an ex-fundamentalist, ex-pentacostal, sunday school teaching, cult-specialist. I have read and studied the bible for many years. I know all the pre, mid, post positions there are. I know you think you have a special insight into the scriptures that nobody else has; as I've said before, been there, done that. Let's just stick with the bible. I've asked this before: Why is your life no different than mine, when it comes to answered prayer? What purpose is this whole christian thing if it makes absolutely no difference in our lives. You receive a happy feeling, and see strange things in your dreams. I simply don't. There are no miracles, and you're right, if I saw someone walking on a lake, I would have to think that there is something else going on. (Chris Angel has already done that) Sorry, but that's the way it is. Besides, even jesus had to prove that he had risen to thomas. Of course, he hasn't appeared to me to convince me. Has he appeared to you? I mean, physically? Really appeared and talked to you. Not in a dream, but in person? Has he appeared to you? Dutch: Read elsewhere, what? I am an ex-fundamentalist, ex-pentacostal, sunday school teaching, cult-specialist. I have read and studied the bible for many years. I know all the pre, mid, post positions there are. I know you think you have a special insight into the scriptures that nobody else has; as I've said before, been there, done that.
Let's just stick with the bible.
I've asked this before: Why is your life no different than mine, when it comes to answered prayer? What purpose is this whole christian thing if it makes absolutely no difference in our lives. You receive a happy feeling, and see strange things in your dreams. I simply don't.
There are no miracles, and you're right, if I saw someone walking on a lake, I would have to think that there is something else going on. (Chris Angel has already done that) Sorry, but that's the way it is.
Besides, even jesus had to prove that he had risen to thomas. Of course, he hasn't appeared to me to convince me.
Has he appeared to you? I mean, physically? Really appeared and talked to you. Not in a dream, but in person?
Has he appeared to you?

]]> By: Dutch http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30947 Dutch Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:58:49 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30947 Goyo, Javaman, You wouldn't believe me if I told you. If I told you I saw a guy walking on Lake Michigan, you'd say it was some kind o trick. You are a "freethinker," that like most, is married to your opinion. Open your "freethinking mind," and read elsewhere. from Stuart Hameroff"s website, "I am not by nature confrontational, but am happy to debate scientists and philosophers who oppose our theory. Atheism does not hold the scientific high ground. Secular spirituality based on quantum biology and the physics of spacetime geometry is a viable and important idea." At this conference, put on by "beyondbelief.org," Mr. Hameroff pissed-off both theists and atheists. As I said in an earlier post, will one day scientists ask that big question of "The Big Bang," why? Later, Dutch Goyo, Javaman,

You wouldn't believe me if I told you. If I told you I saw a guy walking on Lake Michigan, you'd say it was some kind o trick. You are a "freethinker," that like most, is married to your opinion. Open your "freethinking mind," and read elsewhere.

from Stuart Hameroff"s website,
"I am not by nature confrontational, but am happy to debate scientists and philosophers who oppose our theory. Atheism does not hold the scientific high ground. Secular spirituality based on quantum biology and the physics of spacetime geometry is a viable and important idea."

At this conference, put on by "beyondbelief.org," Mr. Hameroff pissed-off both theists and atheists.

As I said in an earlier post, will one day scientists ask that big question of "The Big Bang," why?

Later, Dutch

]]> By: Christopher http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30940 Christopher Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:53:43 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30940 Javaman, That's what he was refering to: Hell is other people BECAUSE we are unable to connect with other people (See "No Exit" for a good example of this failure). Javaman,

That's what he was refering to: Hell is other people BECAUSE we are unable to connect with other people (See "No Exit" for a good example of this failure).

]]> By: Efrique http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30934 Efrique Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:43:17 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30934 If "my" future soul in Heaven does not care about what is central to me now, then it is decidedly "not-me". That is, they are essentially saying that I should spend my life doing ridiculous things so what's effectively an invisible parasite that's somehow in me can go to some kind of brain-dead heaven. Why would I want that, exactly? If "my" future soul in Heaven does not care about what is central to me now, then it is decidedly "not-me". That is, they are essentially saying that I should spend my life doing ridiculous things so what's effectively an invisible parasite that's somehow in me can go to some kind of brain-dead heaven.

Why would I want that, exactly?

]]> By: javaman http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30927 javaman Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:43:37 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30927 Satre also said ,hell is other people Satre also said ,hell is other people

]]> By: javaman http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30926 javaman Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:40:29 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30926 Dutch-stand and deliver you have our full attention, I mean this in a nice way. Dutch-stand and deliver you have our full attention, I mean this in a nice way.

]]> By: goyo http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30924 goyo Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:23:38 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30924 My friend Dutch: You know everything that you are sharing with us on the various threads is all predicated that the bible is true, and that it is "the" book of knowledge. You do know that we don't believe the bible is true, nor any other religious book. Why do you insist on backing up your claims with the bible? Is there anything that you can share with us that doesn't come from the bible? You say that what you know and have been shown is mind-blowing. What is it? How can you prove it? What is going to happen? Come on, give us something that you can prove. My friend Dutch: You know everything that you are sharing with us on the various threads is all predicated that the bible is true, and that it is "the" book of knowledge. You do know that we don't believe the bible is true, nor any other religious book. Why do you insist on backing up your claims with the bible?
Is there anything that you can share with us that doesn't come from the bible?
You say that what you know and have been shown is mind-blowing. What is it?
How can you prove it? What is going to happen?
Come on, give us something that you can prove.

]]> By: Joffan http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30916 Joffan Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:29:38 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/heaven-at-the-price-of-hell.html#comment-30916 Greta, expert theological wrangling on the Heavenly stand-ins! Of course such an Almighty policy could never be revealed because <i>then</i> the bliss of the saved might be clouded by doubts that the loved ones who finally "made it" to heaven were fakes... even if they weren't. Greta, expert theological wrangling on the Heavenly stand-ins!

Of course such an Almighty policy could never be revealed because then the bliss of the saved might be clouded by doubts that the loved ones who finally "made it" to heaven were fakes... even if they weren't.

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