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	<title>Comments on: Book Review: The Portable Atheist</title>
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		<title>By: 8thwonder</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/the-portable-atheist.html#comment-30781</link>
		<dc:creator>8thwonder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an issue for Atheists that this and the other books and blogs (by and for Atheists seem to ignore: ATHEISTS (however defined) ARE THE MOST ABUSED, MOST MALIGNED AND LEAST POLITICALLY ACCEPTABLE MINORITY GROUP IN AMERICA!

A very informal survey of my friends and acquaintances indicated that most of them would prefer to live next-door t a registered sex-offender, child molester or islamo- terrorist than an avowed atheist.

As ATHEISTS, we are socially and politically ostracized. We have no protection under any federal or local anti-discrimination laws, no right to tax-exemptions, no recognizable identity or symbol of unity. 

We exist as a bunch of splinter groups, with different motives, agendas and targets.
We rant, rave, argue, debate, discuss, beg, plead and cajole to be heard in a society which views us little better than rats or termites, seeking to destroy their social and religious cultures.

Until we settle our own differences, unify under an identifiable banner, speak authoritatively with a strong and purposeful voice, and replace our rancor with reason, we will get nothing except scorn and go nowhere outside our own small circles.

ATHEISTS ARISE! WE HAVE OUR FERRDOM TO GAIN, AND NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an issue for Atheists that this and the other books and blogs (by and for Atheists seem to ignore: ATHEISTS (however defined) ARE THE MOST ABUSED, MOST MALIGNED AND LEAST POLITICALLY ACCEPTABLE MINORITY GROUP IN AMERICA!</p>
<p>A very informal survey of my friends and acquaintances indicated that most of them would prefer to live next-door t a registered sex-offender, child molester or islamo- terrorist than an avowed atheist.</p>
<p>As ATHEISTS, we are socially and politically ostracized. We have no protection under any federal or local anti-discrimination laws, no right to tax-exemptions, no recognizable identity or symbol of unity. </p>
<p>We exist as a bunch of splinter groups, with different motives, agendas and targets.<br />
We rant, rave, argue, debate, discuss, beg, plead and cajole to be heard in a society which views us little better than rats or termites, seeking to destroy their social and religious cultures.</p>
<p>Until we settle our own differences, unify under an identifiable banner, speak authoritatively with a strong and purposeful voice, and replace our rancor with reason, we will get nothing except scorn and go nowhere outside our own small circles.</p>
<p>ATHEISTS ARISE! WE HAVE OUR FERRDOM TO GAIN, AND NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE!</p>
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		<title>By: bbk</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/the-portable-atheist.html#comment-30468</link>
		<dc:creator>bbk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't feel qualified to have even prompted this sidebar discussion.  But, when I read Aristotle he sounded so derivative of Plato that I quickly knew I wouldn't be interested in delving into his stuff too deeply.  If I had to venture a guess, I'd say Aristotle is a good indicator that Platonic views were popular among the upper class.  What I've always wondered is what part of society would have been more inclined towards the atomist view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't feel qualified to have even prompted this sidebar discussion.  But, when I read Aristotle he sounded so derivative of Plato that I quickly knew I wouldn't be interested in delving into his stuff too deeply.  If I had to venture a guess, I'd say Aristotle is a good indicator that Platonic views were popular among the upper class.  What I've always wondered is what part of society would have been more inclined towards the atomist view.</p>
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		<title>By: DamienSansBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/the-portable-atheist.html#comment-30456</link>
		<dc:creator>DamienSansBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my everlasting shame, I'm not very boned up on Macedonian pedagogical politics.  Was Aristotle selected for Alexander on his own merits, or on Plato's fame?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my everlasting shame, I'm not very boned up on Macedonian pedagogical politics.  Was Aristotle selected for Alexander on his own merits, or on Plato's fame?</p>
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		<title>By: Lynet</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/the-portable-atheist.html#comment-30391</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but Aristophanes was deliberately trying to make a ridiculous picture so as to make people laugh.  I wouldn't call opinions expressed in Greek comedy necessarily representative of broader opinion.  Given that Aristotle's status as one of Plato's best pupils must have been instrumental in getting him a position tutoring the young Alexander the Great, I'd say Plato must have become pretty highly regarded by some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but Aristophanes was deliberately trying to make a ridiculous picture so as to make people laugh.  I wouldn't call opinions expressed in Greek comedy necessarily representative of broader opinion.  Given that Aristotle's status as one of Plato's best pupils must have been instrumental in getting him a position tutoring the young Alexander the Great, I'd say Plato must have become pretty highly regarded by some.</p>
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		<title>By: DamienSansBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/the-portable-atheist.html#comment-30368</link>
		<dc:creator>DamienSansBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uck.  I'm glad I missed that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Lucretius makes Plato sound like a rambling fool.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To be fair, that's probably not a very difficult task.  Even his contemporaries didn't think much of Socrates/Plato's intellectual prowess.  (See Aristophanes' "Clouds", etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uck.  I'm glad I missed that.</p>
<blockquote><p>Lucretius makes Plato sound like a rambling fool.</p></blockquote>
<p>To be fair, that's probably not a very difficult task.  Even his contemporaries didn't think much of Socrates/Plato's intellectual prowess.  (See Aristophanes' "Clouds", etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/the-portable-atheist.html#comment-30359</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries, Linda - I don't ban people for debating, or for disagreeing with me. I banned theistscientist because he left the same comment in about half a dozen threads calling all atheists mass murderers, and when I deleted all but one of those for spamming, he then went back and started posting raving, obscene comments and threats in as many threads as he could. Suffice to say, that sort of thing will get you banned. Not much else will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, Linda - I don't ban people for debating, or for disagreeing with me. I banned theistscientist because he left the same comment in about half a dozen threads calling all atheists mass murderers, and when I deleted all but one of those for spamming, he then went back and started posting raving, obscene comments and threats in as many threads as he could. Suffice to say, that sort of thing will get you banned. Not much else will.</p>
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		<title>By: bbk</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/the-portable-atheist.html#comment-30347</link>
		<dc:creator>bbk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's definitely not very portable.  My only thought is that the name was chosen as some sort of reverse psychology humor.

I wouldn't say it's an introductory compendium or even an armamentarium.  It's more of an atheist pride piece, and it does a good job.  The book is laid out more or less chronologically and it picks and chooses lesser known writers, lesser known pieces by well known writers, and unique perspectives from people who were influenced by atheistic thought.  Reading it from front to back gave me an enriched sense of the broad history and intellectual tradition of atheism.

Many of the selections were from authors that I've studied from grade school through college whose atheist writing was neatly avoided by the instructors.  The classic example is Emma Goldman, who I've come across in a lit course, labour history course, even in a public speaking class.  There would always be a focus on her anarchism, as irrelevant as that is to us today, but never a mention of her atheism.  Same is true about Joseph Conrad, George Elliot and Mark Twain in high school.  As for Conrad, I own a collection of his "complete works" but it did not include the commentary he wrote regarding The Shadow Line, which was included here.  Even though it wasn't some blockbuster refutation of god, I was thrilled to read him declaring his atheism,  

Yet another great piece was the one by Lucretius.  Lucretius makes Plato sound like a rambling fool.  It's a wonder to me why some of the best philosophy departments in the US only mention Socrates in their introductory courses as if that's the holy grave of ancient philosophy.  Maybe Lucretius is too "modern" for an ancient philosophy course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's definitely not very portable.  My only thought is that the name was chosen as some sort of reverse psychology humor.</p>
<p>I wouldn't say it's an introductory compendium or even an armamentarium.  It's more of an atheist pride piece, and it does a good job.  The book is laid out more or less chronologically and it picks and chooses lesser known writers, lesser known pieces by well known writers, and unique perspectives from people who were influenced by atheistic thought.  Reading it from front to back gave me an enriched sense of the broad history and intellectual tradition of atheism.</p>
<p>Many of the selections were from authors that I've studied from grade school through college whose atheist writing was neatly avoided by the instructors.  The classic example is Emma Goldman, who I've come across in a lit course, labour history course, even in a public speaking class.  There would always be a focus on her anarchism, as irrelevant as that is to us today, but never a mention of her atheism.  Same is true about Joseph Conrad, George Elliot and Mark Twain in high school.  As for Conrad, I own a collection of his "complete works" but it did not include the commentary he wrote regarding The Shadow Line, which was included here.  Even though it wasn't some blockbuster refutation of god, I was thrilled to read him declaring his atheism,  </p>
<p>Yet another great piece was the one by Lucretius.  Lucretius makes Plato sound like a rambling fool.  It's a wonder to me why some of the best philosophy departments in the US only mention Socrates in their introductory courses as if that's the holy grave of ancient philosophy.  Maybe Lucretius is too "modern" for an ancient philosophy course.</p>
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		<title>By: LindaJoy</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/the-portable-atheist.html#comment-30346</link>
		<dc:creator>LindaJoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ebonmuse- thanks- I guess I never scrolled down far enough to see that comment policy link. I managed to be banned as a troll from Talk to Action by Frederick Clarkson by getting into theological conversations that didn't seem to be bothering the other posters, but sure bothered Fred. I'm sure it is a fine line to walk in managing a site, but he was really nasty about it. Thanks for all you do....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ebonmuse- thanks- I guess I never scrolled down far enough to see that comment policy link. I managed to be banned as a troll from Talk to Action by Frederick Clarkson by getting into theological conversations that didn't seem to be bothering the other posters, but sure bothered Fred. I'm sure it is a fine line to walk in managing a site, but he was really nasty about it. Thanks for all you do....</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/01/the-portable-atheist.html#comment-30332</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, please consult the &lt;a href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/comment-policy-2" rel="nofollow"&gt;comment policy&lt;/a&gt; which is linked to from each post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, please consult the <a href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/comment-policy-2" rel="nofollow">comment policy</a> which is linked to from each post.</p>
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		<title>By: LindaJoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>LindaJoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ebonmuse- just a quick question in reference to the banning of theistscientist- do you have guidelines posted on this site? Thanks-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ebonmuse- just a quick question in reference to the banning of theistscientist- do you have guidelines posted on this site? Thanks-</p>
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