Comments on: The Good Book? http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:13:10 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: MisterDomino http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33512 MisterDomino Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:19:32 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33512 <blockquote>One wonders how the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Christians in Iraq fits into God's grand plan.</blockquote> They're not real Christians. DUH.

One wonders how the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Christians in Iraq fits into God's grand plan.

They're not real Christians. DUH.

]]> By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33504 Ebonmuse Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:01:09 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33504 <blockquote>Rosenberg says Sada told him moving stories about what God is doing in Iraq today. </blockquote> One wonders how the ongoing <a href="http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=28805b73-fd9d-467b-98da-3d0772322a0f&k=9195" rel="nofollow">ethnic cleansing of Christians in Iraq</a> fits into God's grand plan. It has already progressed to the point where many Christian leaders fear the Christian community in the country will be entirely eradicated.

Rosenberg says Sada told him moving stories about what God is doing in Iraq today.

One wonders how the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Christians in Iraq fits into God's grand plan. It has already progressed to the point where many Christian leaders fear the Christian community in the country will be entirely eradicated.

]]> By: dutch http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33495 dutch Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:24:48 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33495 Yes, it is hard to comprehend, and maybe I fumbled the explanation, but maybe the explanation is too fantastic to believe. I'll leave it at that. If you believe the Bible carnally, that God is a violent, loving, and mischievious entity, then I couldn't blame you in your atheism. I know it ain't so. goyo, I use only the KJV with Strong's Hebrew and Greek dictionaries. I use "e-sword," free Bible software I downloaded. You said, "the islamic faith just as correct as the christian? Do they hear from the creator also?" Perhaps you will find the following interview with Iraqi general Sada interesting. Rosenberg says Sada told him moving stories about what God is doing in Iraq today. Sada said that "Some 5,000 Iraqis have publicly identified themselves as new followers of Christ since Iraq was liberated, and that an estimated 8 out of 10 Iraqi believers say they converted because Jesus appeared to them in dreams or visions Yes, it is hard to comprehend, and maybe I fumbled the explanation, but maybe the explanation is too fantastic to believe. I'll leave it at that.

If you believe the Bible carnally, that God is a violent, loving, and mischievious entity, then I couldn't blame you in your atheism. I know it ain't so.

goyo,
I use only the KJV with Strong's Hebrew and Greek dictionaries. I use "e-sword," free Bible software I downloaded.

You said, "the islamic faith just as correct as the christian? Do they hear from the creator also?" Perhaps you will find the following interview with Iraqi general Sada interesting.

Rosenberg says Sada told him moving stories about what God is doing in Iraq today. Sada said that "Some 5,000 Iraqis have publicly identified themselves as new followers of Christ since Iraq was liberated, and that an estimated 8 out of 10 Iraqi believers say they converted because Jesus appeared to them in dreams or visions

]]> By: goyo http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33485 goyo Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:50:58 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33485 <blockquote>Lyssad, you may trust The KJV, but more than that, you may trust The Word in you. No, this is not your thought or "voices" in your head, it is a direct, albeit misunderstood, communication between you and your Creator.</blockquote> <blockquote>Nice way to twist my words. If you read it, using your superior intellect, I never said I hear voices in my head. You wouldn't understand "The Word in you." </blockquote> So if it's not voices in your head, then how does god communicate with you? I know you are a big believer in dreams, but those always seem like pictures and "voices" in my head. Is it through "feelings"? That's pretty vague. Seriously, how does god communicate? And is it only with certain religions, or is the islamic faith just as correct as the christian? Do they hear from the creator also? And Dutch, if you're still trusting the KJV, then you must know about all the incorrect translations it has? For example, when it refers to the holy spirit as the holy ghost? The word in you...seriously, Dutch, your gnostic theology really gets tedious.

Lyssad, you may trust The KJV, but more than that, you may trust The Word in you. No, this is not your thought or "voices" in your head, it is a direct, albeit misunderstood, communication between you and your Creator.

Nice way to twist my words. If you read it, using your superior intellect, I never said I hear voices in my head. You wouldn't understand "The Word in you."

So if it's not voices in your head, then how does god communicate with you?
I know you are a big believer in dreams, but those always seem like pictures and "voices" in my head.
Is it through "feelings"? That's pretty vague.
Seriously, how does god communicate? And is it only with certain religions, or is the islamic faith just as correct as the christian? Do they hear from the creator also?
And Dutch, if you're still trusting the KJV, then you must know about all the incorrect translations it has? For example, when it refers to the holy spirit as the holy ghost?
The word in you...seriously, Dutch, your gnostic theology really gets tedious.

]]> By: Valhar2000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33481 Valhar2000 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:22:24 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33481 You don't get it, Ebon. It's <i>our</i> fault that we don't here THE WORD, becuase our hearts are closed (wonder how blood comes in and out of it all the time, then...). So, if Dutch is right, he is right, but if he is wrong, it is ourfalt that he is wrong, not becuase he actually is wrong. See? Understading Christianity is not that hard, if you put your mind to it. You don't get it, Ebon. It's our fault that we don't here THE WORD, becuase our hearts are closed (wonder how blood comes in and out of it all the time, then...).

So, if Dutch is right, he is right, but if he is wrong, it is ourfalt that he is wrong, not becuase he actually is wrong. See? Understading Christianity is not that hard, if you put your mind to it.

]]> By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33474 Ebonmuse Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:20:16 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33474 You're right: I don't understand that. Given the great deal of work you've evidently put into making it incomprehensible, I'm not surprised. You're right: I don't understand that. Given the great deal of work you've evidently put into making it incomprehensible, I'm not surprised.

]]> By: dutch http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33473 dutch Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:15:59 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33473 Ebonmuse, Nice way to twist my words. If you read it, using your superior intellect, I never said I hear voices in my head. You wouldn't understand "The Word in you." Ebonmuse,

Nice way to twist my words. If you read it, using your superior intellect, I never said I hear voices in my head. You wouldn't understand "The Word in you."

]]> By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33460 Ebonmuse Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:54:55 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33460 <blockquote>Lyssad, you may trust The KJV, but more than that, you may trust The Word in you. No, this is not your thought or "voices" in your head, it is a direct, albeit misunderstood, communication between you and your Creator.</blockquote> Dutch, I hope you're aware that not everyone hears the same voices in their heads as you do.

Lyssad, you may trust The KJV, but more than that, you may trust The Word in you. No, this is not your thought or "voices" in your head, it is a direct, albeit misunderstood, communication between you and your Creator.

Dutch, I hope you're aware that not everyone hears the same voices in their heads as you do.

]]> By: LyssaD http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33459 LyssaD Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:32:46 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33459 Dutchie, I haven't had a direct communication with God since I dropped acid as a teenager. And if happens now I'll be talking to a psychiatrist asap. Dutchie, I haven't had a direct communication with God since I dropped acid as a teenager. And if happens now I'll be talking to a psychiatrist asap.

]]> By: MisterDomino http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33443 MisterDomino Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:06:44 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33443 <blockquote>In another thread of this site, it was said that religion played no part in the first Thanksgiving; which is just wrong.</blockquote> You didn't say the first Thanksgiving; you said the Mayflower Compact. If that's the argument you're trying to make, the first Thanksgiving <i>wasn't</i> about the Christian religion; it was a native harvest festival. Check out this website if you want more: <a href="" rel="nofollow">http://www.new-life.net/thanks01.htm</a> Or, just grab one of the dozens of books or scholarly articles written on the subject; they all say pretty much the same thing as that website.

In another thread of this site, it was said that religion played no part in the first Thanksgiving; which is just wrong.

You didn't say the first Thanksgiving; you said the Mayflower Compact.

If that's the argument you're trying to make, the first Thanksgiving wasn't about the Christian religion; it was a native harvest festival.

Check out this website if you want more:

http://www.new-life.net/thanks01.htm

Or, just grab one of the dozens of books or scholarly articles written on the subject; they all say pretty much the same thing as that website.

]]> By: lpetrich http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33433 lpetrich Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:33:12 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33433 Dutch, that alleged communication is not what one would naturally expect from an omnimax entity that wishes to deliver a clearly-understood message. I'm far from being omnimax, and I think that I've done a MUCH better job of communicating what I want to say than that alleged god. Also, the Puritans almost certainly did not share much of Dutch's theology, so why make heroes out of them? Dutch, that alleged communication is not what one would naturally expect from an omnimax entity that wishes to deliver a clearly-understood message. I'm far from being omnimax, and I think that I've done a MUCH better job of communicating what I want to say than that alleged god.

Also, the Puritans almost certainly did not share much of Dutch's theology, so why make heroes out of them?

]]> By: Shawn Smith http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33430 Shawn Smith Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:22:59 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/the-good-book.html#comment-33430 My understanding is that Thomas Jefferson, like other (although not all of the) founders, did believe in a personal, interventionist god. He believed that the attributes of that god could be discovered through rational thinking. That doesn't sound like any Deist I've heard of. He thought of Christ as a good teacher, but human, not divine, which would make him like very few "Christians" today. He was certainly no atheist, as he knew of several atheists (mostly in France) and explicitly stated that he did not agree with their view. I like the term I've heard elsewhere: "theistic rationalist" as a good description of Jefferson's views. He was probably second only to James Madison in strongly advocating between a strict separation between religion and the powers of the national government. Of course, George Washington also believed in an interventionist god, and was convinced that the Revolution would not have succeeded if it hadn't been for that god intervening on the side of the colonists. There was at least one occasion where he should have, by all rights, been killed by musketfire, but wasn't touched. I'm sure he saw that occasion as further proof of that intervention. Unlike Jefferson, however, Washington didn't appear to have a problem with the national government providing support for religion, so long as no particular sect was supported exclusively. Adams and Hamilton appeared to share large parts of that view. My understanding is that Thomas Jefferson, like other (although not all of the) founders, did believe in a personal, interventionist god. He believed that the attributes of that god could be discovered through rational thinking. That doesn't sound like any Deist I've heard of. He thought of Christ as a good teacher, but human, not divine, which would make him like very few "Christians" today. He was certainly no atheist, as he knew of several atheists (mostly in France) and explicitly stated that he did not agree with their view. I like the term I've heard elsewhere: "theistic rationalist" as a good description of Jefferson's views. He was probably second only to James Madison in strongly advocating between a strict separation between religion and the powers of the national government.

Of course, George Washington also believed in an interventionist god, and was convinced that the Revolution would not have succeeded if it hadn't been for that god intervening on the side of the colonists. There was at least one occasion where he should have, by all rights, been killed by musketfire, but wasn't touched. I'm sure he saw that occasion as further proof of that intervention. Unlike Jefferson, however, Washington didn't appear to have a problem with the national government providing support for religion, so long as no particular sect was supported exclusively. Adams and Hamilton appeared to share large parts of that view.

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