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		<title>By: DWH</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/04/on-one-world-government.html#comment-35370</link>
		<dc:creator>DWH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 11:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just my 2 euro cents worth</description>
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		<title>By: DWH</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/04/on-one-world-government.html#comment-35369</link>
		<dc:creator>DWH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 11:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some form of unification is inevitiable, you only have to look at Europe several hundred years ago, with its myriad or kingdoms and city states. Over time, via a variety of methods, conquest, common culture or language, royal marriage, etc, these merged to form the modern day nation state. even within the borders of most of the western nation states there are 'other' nations as borders do not always match up with how populations are dispersed on the ground.

The best example of the next progression of this norm in international relations and cooperation is the EU, while not perfect, it is easy to see how in a few decades, this might replace the nation states of Europe and form a superstate. this isnt going to happen overnight but it is going to happen, the historical precident has been set. And it is only a matter of time ( albeit a long time) that this process expands to include other nations.

It might well happen that we do not end up with one government, some cultural/ religious issues might very well see there being two or three dominant governments, with a scattering of isolationist or unimportant states on the periphery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some form of unification is inevitiable, you only have to look at Europe several hundred years ago, with its myriad or kingdoms and city states. Over time, via a variety of methods, conquest, common culture or language, royal marriage, etc, these merged to form the modern day nation state. even within the borders of most of the western nation states there are 'other' nations as borders do not always match up with how populations are dispersed on the ground.</p>
<p>The best example of the next progression of this norm in international relations and cooperation is the EU, while not perfect, it is easy to see how in a few decades, this might replace the nation states of Europe and form a superstate. this isnt going to happen overnight but it is going to happen, the historical precident has been set. And it is only a matter of time ( albeit a long time) that this process expands to include other nations.</p>
<p>It might well happen that we do not end up with one government, some cultural/ religious issues might very well see there being two or three dominant governments, with a scattering of isolationist or unimportant states on the periphery.</p>
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		<title>By: bbk</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/04/on-one-world-government.html#comment-34559</link>
		<dc:creator>bbk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, stop it with these crazy strawman arguments.  Especially in America, we use this aversion of Satanic Rule and the Apocalypse not for avoiding any sort of meaningful progress in the world.  Look at the Christian Right's vilification of the U.N. while America ignores international inspection teams and goes to war based on fabricated stories of WMD's, then turns around and tortures people.  At the same time, lack of world-wide cooperation in a common set of trade laws has at its roots the unwillingness to establish a common set of rules that respect labor standards and the environment.  Instead, we have a hodge-podge set of treaties such as NAFTA, which at the same time limit preferential treatment to just a few nations and take advantage of other nations who, standing alone, can be leveraged much more easily.  

But lesser known to those outside of the engineering fields, American politicians also use the same irrational sentiments to avoid creating &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; meaningful international cooperation on technological standards.  For fuck's sake, this is the same country who can't even switch from standard to metric, that's how isolationist we are.  That's why every SD card manufactured in a different country has is made to its own set of standards, and then every camera or cell phone becomes a bigger pain in the ass to design and more expensive to build.  And the problems only multiply as you look at technology as a whole.  This is what our protectionists rackets are doing for us while Americans make hypothetical assumptions about why things are so much better just the way they are now.  I just wonder what an American laying in a hospital in France will say 10 years from now when the doctors can't access his medical records because of - you guessed it - an incompatible file format made to an unknown specification.  Oh, everyone will say stuff like "computers suck" and move on with their lives, I guess, and keep on going with their knee-jerk reactions to associate governments with tyranny and chaos with freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, stop it with these crazy strawman arguments.  Especially in America, we use this aversion of Satanic Rule and the Apocalypse not for avoiding any sort of meaningful progress in the world.  Look at the Christian Right's vilification of the U.N. while America ignores international inspection teams and goes to war based on fabricated stories of WMD's, then turns around and tortures people.  At the same time, lack of world-wide cooperation in a common set of trade laws has at its roots the unwillingness to establish a common set of rules that respect labor standards and the environment.  Instead, we have a hodge-podge set of treaties such as NAFTA, which at the same time limit preferential treatment to just a few nations and take advantage of other nations who, standing alone, can be leveraged much more easily.  </p>
<p>But lesser known to those outside of the engineering fields, American politicians also use the same irrational sentiments to avoid creating <i>any</i> meaningful international cooperation on technological standards.  For fuck's sake, this is the same country who can't even switch from standard to metric, that's how isolationist we are.  That's why every SD card manufactured in a different country has is made to its own set of standards, and then every camera or cell phone becomes a bigger pain in the ass to design and more expensive to build.  And the problems only multiply as you look at technology as a whole.  This is what our protectionists rackets are doing for us while Americans make hypothetical assumptions about why things are so much better just the way they are now.  I just wonder what an American laying in a hospital in France will say 10 years from now when the doctors can't access his medical records because of - you guessed it - an incompatible file format made to an unknown specification.  Oh, everyone will say stuff like "computers suck" and move on with their lives, I guess, and keep on going with their knee-jerk reactions to associate governments with tyranny and chaos with freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Secular Dignity</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/04/on-one-world-government.html#comment-34535</link>
		<dc:creator>Secular Dignity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goyo said: &lt;blockquote&gt;The centralization of power is a scary thought indeed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
From what I have seen here in the USA, lots of religious people LOVE centralization of power. They only hate it when somebody else does it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goyo said:<br />
<blockquote>The centralization of power is a scary thought indeed.</p></blockquote>
<p>From what I have seen here in the USA, lots of religious people LOVE centralization of power. They only hate it when somebody else does it.</p>
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		<title>By: Thumpalumpacus</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/04/on-one-world-government.html#comment-34481</link>
		<dc:creator>Thumpalumpacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goyo -- 

I haven't forgotten, and I sure hope it can happen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goyo -- </p>
<p>I haven't forgotten, and I sure hope it can happen!</p>
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		<title>By: goyo</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/04/on-one-world-government.html#comment-34452</link>
		<dc:creator>goyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Thumpalumpacus. The centralization of power is a scary thought indeed. 
It's a great thought experiment, as I also agree that a one-world govt. could accomplish so many good things. 
Wouldn't that be the ideal situation for the advancement of science and the reduction of religious influence? Again, it depends on who is in power.

Thump: Don't forget to shoot me a comment on a thread when you're ready to come to Texas this summer, then I'll get you my email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Thumpalumpacus. The centralization of power is a scary thought indeed.<br />
It's a great thought experiment, as I also agree that a one-world govt. could accomplish so many good things.<br />
Wouldn't that be the ideal situation for the advancement of science and the reduction of religious influence? Again, it depends on who is in power.</p>
<p>Thump: Don't forget to shoot me a comment on a thread when you're ready to come to Texas this summer, then I'll get you my email.</p>
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		<title>By: Thumpalumpacus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thumpalumpacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This point still carries the day: the marriage of OWG and modern technology is terrifying in its possibilities.  Even if when this government is set up it is democratic, the implicit assumption seems to be prevalent that it will always remain so, and as our current experience in America shows, this is not necessarily so.  Indeed, OWG might make more tempting the idea of a coup (legal or illegal), simply because the reins of power are already gathered up and conveniently kept in one place.  If "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely", then the last aim we should adopt is the centralization of all governmental power in the world, be that government benign or malignant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This point still carries the day: the marriage of OWG and modern technology is terrifying in its possibilities.  Even if when this government is set up it is democratic, the implicit assumption seems to be prevalent that it will always remain so, and as our current experience in America shows, this is not necessarily so.  Indeed, OWG might make more tempting the idea of a coup (legal or illegal), simply because the reins of power are already gathered up and conveniently kept in one place.  If "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely", then the last aim we should adopt is the centralization of all governmental power in the world, be that government benign or malignant.</p>
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		<title>By: Valhar2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valhar2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I want a one-world-government, but that does not mean that I consider the UN or the EU ideal, or that I would not mind being outvoted by the current inhabitants of Saudi Arabia. It is fallacious to imply this.

The reason I want a one-world-government is so that it can implement useful policies that span the entire world. While the UN has done this on occasion, it has always been as a small sideline to its main job, political grandstanding by its members. Same for the EU. So I don't support them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I want a one-world-government, but that does not mean that I consider the UN or the EU ideal, or that I would not mind being outvoted by the current inhabitants of Saudi Arabia. It is fallacious to imply this.</p>
<p>The reason I want a one-world-government is so that it can implement useful policies that span the entire world. While the UN has done this on occasion, it has always been as a small sideline to its main job, political grandstanding by its members. Same for the EU. So I don't support them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ziggy</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/04/on-one-world-government.html#comment-34378</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antigone-
&lt;blockquote&gt;Just as a side note, I always laugh when physicists say that social sciences are "soft" sciences, or easy. I'd like to see a physicist try to do an experiement where there were no independent variables.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is pretty much the opposite of what "soft science" means.  Soft means that it's more complicated, harder to predict, and not obviously entirely deterministic.  In a sense, soft sciences are &lt;i&gt;harder&lt;/i&gt; than the hard sciences; this is what provides the wiggle room that makes them soft. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antigone-</p>
<blockquote><p>Just as a side note, I always laugh when physicists say that social sciences are "soft" sciences, or easy. I'd like to see a physicist try to do an experiement where there were no independent variables.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is pretty much the opposite of what "soft science" means.  Soft means that it's more complicated, harder to predict, and not obviously entirely deterministic.  In a sense, soft sciences are <i>harder</i> than the hard sciences; this is what provides the wiggle room that makes them soft. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: nfpendleton</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/04/on-one-world-government.html#comment-34286</link>
		<dc:creator>nfpendleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A number of governments (US at the top) and almost every international corporation has it in their best interest to keep certain parts of this globe permenantly in Third World status.  We'll only intervene in the African chaos when it gets too expensive to pay an Asian middle class to do our manufacturing for us.  Any company that says it wants these nations to be lifted to a level of direct competition is lying to you, and since this seems to be a prerequisite for a GloboGuv(TM), I think we're quite a ways off.  Thankfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of governments (US at the top) and almost every international corporation has it in their best interest to keep certain parts of this globe permenantly in Third World status.  We'll only intervene in the African chaos when it gets too expensive to pay an Asian middle class to do our manufacturing for us.  Any company that says it wants these nations to be lifted to a level of direct competition is lying to you, and since this seems to be a prerequisite for a GloboGuv(TM), I think we're quite a ways off.  Thankfully.</p>
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