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	<title>Comments on: The Contributions of Freethinkers: Verdi</title>
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	<description>NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION.</description>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/the-contributions-of-freethinkers-i.html#comment-35966</link>
		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 11:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ah, I interpreted that as sarcasm. My apologies.&quot;

I mean, it&#039;s not like &lt;i&gt;I&#039;ve&lt;/i&gt; ever made that mistake! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Ah, I interpreted that as sarcasm. My apologies."</p>
<p>I mean, it's not like <i>I've</i> ever made that mistake! ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Alex, FCD</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/the-contributions-of-freethinkers-i.html#comment-35964</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 00:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Note the &quot;right&quot; that begins my previous post. I was, in fact, agreeing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ah, I interpreted that as sarcasm.  My apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Note the "right" that begins my previous post. I was, in fact, agreeing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, I interpreted that as sarcasm.  My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/the-contributions-of-freethinkers-i.html#comment-35953</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 19:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that amazing story! I have always enjoyed Verdi&#039;s work, but never knew that he was a freethinker. I am sure the next time that I hear a work of his there will be an even bigger smile on my face. Thanks this information and I look forward to more from this series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that amazing story! I have always enjoyed Verdi's work, but never knew that he was a freethinker. I am sure the next time that I hear a work of his there will be an even bigger smile on my face. Thanks this information and I look forward to more from this series.</p>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/the-contributions-of-freethinkers-i.html#comment-35952</link>
		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 18:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hey in english they are Joseph and Josephine Green. How cool is that.&quot;

I don&#039;t know.  Seems too pedestrian.  Kinda like Beethoven means &quot;beet garden&quot; in Dutch.  Loses a little something.  Beet Garden&#039;s Ninth?  Nah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Hey in english they are Joseph and Josephine Green. How cool is that."</p>
<p>I don't know.  Seems too pedestrian.  Kinda like Beethoven means "beet garden" in Dutch.  Loses a little something.  Beet Garden's Ninth?  Nah!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Madewell</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/the-contributions-of-freethinkers-i.html#comment-35951</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Madewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 17:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giuseppina&#039;s comment about wanting to beat her husband for his indifference to religion, reminds me of my wife and myself. I&#039;m sure my wife would like to beat me for being so steady in my own unbelief. Sometimes, I am very irreligious and that can&#039;t be good on a relationship with a theist. I do try to be understanding, but I am who I am. Maybe, she&#039;ll come around, or not. Either way, I still have some giving to do.

Hey in english they are Joseph and Josephine Green. How cool is that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giuseppina's comment about wanting to beat her husband for his indifference to religion, reminds me of my wife and myself. I'm sure my wife would like to beat me for being so steady in my own unbelief. Sometimes, I am very irreligious and that can't be good on a relationship with a theist. I do try to be understanding, but I am who I am. Maybe, she'll come around, or not. Either way, I still have some giving to do.</p>
<p>Hey in english they are Joseph and Josephine Green. How cool is that.</p>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/the-contributions-of-freethinkers-i.html#comment-35948</link>
		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 11:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FCD:

&quot;Or were you agreeing with me? Are we communicating at all?&quot;

Note the &quot;right&quot; that begins my previous post.  I was, in fact, agreeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FCD:</p>
<p>"Or were you agreeing with me? Are we communicating at all?"</p>
<p>Note the "right" that begins my previous post.  I was, in fact, agreeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex, FCD</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/the-contributions-of-freethinkers-i.html#comment-35942</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 02:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Beethoven also wrote The Creatures of Prometheus ballet. I seriously doubt he believed in the Greek gods.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well, exactly.  My point was that two masses is a suspiciously small number compared to, say, Mozart, who was working on his eighteenth when he died.  Or were you agreeing with me?  Are we communicating at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Beethoven also wrote The Creatures of Prometheus ballet. I seriously doubt he believed in the Greek gods.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, exactly.  My point was that two masses is a suspiciously small number compared to, say, Mozart, who was working on his eighteenth when he died.  Or were you agreeing with me?  Are we communicating at all?</p>
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		<title>By: the chaplain</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/the-contributions-of-freethinkers-i.html#comment-35940</link>
		<dc:creator>the chaplain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 01:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great kickoff to what looks like it will be a promising series. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great kickoff to what looks like it will be a promising series. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/the-contributions-of-freethinkers-i.html#comment-35939</link>
		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 23:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wikipedia reports two masses and an oratorio called Christ on the Mount of Olives, about which Ludwig commented that he would rather have used the words of Homer, Klopstock or Schiller.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right.  Beethoven also wrote &lt;i&gt;The Creatures of Prometheus&lt;/i&gt; ballet.  I seriously doubt he believed in the Greek gods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wikipedia reports two masses and an oratorio called Christ on the Mount of Olives, about which Ludwig commented that he would rather have used the words of Homer, Klopstock or Schiller.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right.  Beethoven also wrote <i>The Creatures of Prometheus</i> ballet.  I seriously doubt he believed in the Greek gods.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex, FCD</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/the-contributions-of-freethinkers-i.html#comment-35938</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve also heard that Beethoven was a rather secular guy, though I don&#039;t know how much stock to put in that.  He certainly didn&#039;t compose much explicitly religious music.  Wikipedia reports two masses and an oratorio called &lt;i&gt;Christ on the Mount of Olives&lt;/i&gt;, about which Ludwig commented that he would rather have used the words of Homer, Klopstock or Schiller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've also heard that Beethoven was a rather secular guy, though I don't know how much stock to put in that.  He certainly didn't compose much explicitly religious music.  Wikipedia reports two masses and an oratorio called <i>Christ on the Mount of Olives</i>, about which Ludwig commented that he would rather have used the words of Homer, Klopstock or Schiller.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Baerg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Baerg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also note that many creative thinkers who were not atheists were nevertheless not orthodox believers in the religion of their country. Eg: Newton did not believe in the Trinity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also note that many creative thinkers who were not atheists were nevertheless not orthodox believers in the religion of their country. Eg: Newton did not believe in the Trinity.</p>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/the-contributions-of-freethinkers-i.html#comment-35933</link>
		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(Most famous classical composers, including Mozart, Brahms, Dvorak and Berlioz, wrote their own interpretations of the Requiem; it was a popular topic in the days when most artistic work was underwritten either by wealthy nobility or by the church.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll point out that Brahms was also quite the freethinker.  (Dan Barker wrote this:  http://ffrf.org/fttoday/2002/may02/barker.php )  Although it may expose me as something of a Philistine in the minds of some, I&#039;m a lot crazier about Brahms than I am about Verdi.  (I admit I&#039;m not as familiar with Verdi&#039;s work.)  I still remember the first time I heard his &lt;i&gt;Alto Rhapsody&lt;/i&gt;.  It was quite literally a spiritual experience.  Sadly, it was being sung my Marian Anderson.  I say &quot;sadly&quot; because I&#039;ve never heard a rendition of it since that I felt could begin to compare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(Most famous classical composers, including Mozart, Brahms, Dvorak and Berlioz, wrote their own interpretations of the Requiem; it was a popular topic in the days when most artistic work was underwritten either by wealthy nobility or by the church.)</p></blockquote>
<p>I'll point out that Brahms was also quite the freethinker.  (Dan Barker wrote this:  <a href="http://ffrf.org/fttoday/2002/may02/barker.php" rel="nofollow">http://ffrf.org/fttoday/2002/may02/barker.php</a> )  Although it may expose me as something of a Philistine in the minds of some, I'm a lot crazier about Brahms than I am about Verdi.  (I admit I'm not as familiar with Verdi's work.)  I still remember the first time I heard his <i>Alto Rhapsody</i>.  It was quite literally a spiritual experience.  Sadly, it was being sung my Marian Anderson.  I say "sadly" because I've never heard a rendition of it since that I felt could begin to compare.</p>
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