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		<title>By: lpetrich</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/06/abrogation.html#comment-38959</link>
		<dc:creator>lpetrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL at Alan&#039;s way of putting it. That&#039;s great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL at Alan's way of putting it. That's great!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/06/abrogation.html#comment-38941</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God (called Allah in later versions) is apparently the divine version of a shoddy programmer.  &lt;i&gt;OK, we are having problems with Eden 1.0 in a limited environment, maybe it will run better if we expand its horizons...whoa, now it is totally out of control, reduce the objects to 7 pairs of the stable ones and a single pair of the betas, wipe and reboot the system, Noah, then reintroduce the objects...Wow, serious coding errors, is the Babel patch ready?...OK, not bad now, but we need to migrate it to the new Moses environment with stricter rules...OK, its shot, save the data and try running it under Jesus..What do you mean, I have to upgrade to Quran?  You go ahead, we will stick with our current OS&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God (called Allah in later versions) is apparently the divine version of a shoddy programmer.  <i>OK, we are having problems with Eden 1.0 in a limited environment, maybe it will run better if we expand its horizons...whoa, now it is totally out of control, reduce the objects to 7 pairs of the stable ones and a single pair of the betas, wipe and reboot the system, Noah, then reintroduce the objects...Wow, serious coding errors, is the Babel patch ready?...OK, not bad now, but we need to migrate it to the new Moses environment with stricter rules...OK, its shot, save the data and try running it under Jesus..What do you mean, I have to upgrade to Quran?  You go ahead, we will stick with our current OS</i></p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/06/abrogation.html#comment-36697</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>InTheImageOfDNA: Yes, I&#039;m aware of that person. He&#039;s actually been posting comments to this site, along the lines of, &quot;Who cares about Islam? Let&#039;s talk about why you atheists need to believe in Jesus Christ or else you&#039;ll burn in hell.&quot; Needless to say, he&#039;s not getting through moderation until he has something relevant to contribute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>InTheImageOfDNA: Yes, I'm aware of that person. He's actually been posting comments to this site, along the lines of, "Who cares about Islam? Let's talk about why you atheists need to believe in Jesus Christ or else you'll burn in hell." Needless to say, he's not getting through moderation until he has something relevant to contribute.</p>
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		<title>By: yunshui</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/06/abrogation.html#comment-36696</link>
		<dc:creator>yunshui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>InTheImageOfDNA: 

I &lt;i&gt;love&lt;/i&gt; Christian Cross Talk! Especially the diagrammatic representations of how atheism will destroy the world. Someone there could make a fortune designing business presentations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>InTheImageOfDNA: </p>
<p>I <i>love</i> Christian Cross Talk! Especially the diagrammatic representations of how atheism will destroy the world. Someone there could make a fortune designing business presentations.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/06/abrogation.html#comment-36695</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the point of debating ad nauseam, the various tenets of the world religions and superstitions, when they all have in common the same preposterous &quot; invisible friend&quot; premise without which they all fall apart. If you first drink the basic kool aid, everything else follows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the point of debating ad nauseam, the various tenets of the world religions and superstitions, when they all have in common the same preposterous " invisible friend" premise without which they all fall apart. If you first drink the basic kool aid, everything else follows.</p>
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		<title>By: LindaJoy</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/06/abrogation.html#comment-36693</link>
		<dc:creator>LindaJoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take a copy of Yunshui&#039;s version of the Bible too. It&#039;s like one big giant stand up comedy routine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll take a copy of Yunshui's version of the Bible too. It's like one big giant stand up comedy routine!</p>
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		<title>By: InTheImageOfDNA</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/06/abrogation.html#comment-36692</link>
		<dc:creator>InTheImageOfDNA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ebon, were you aware of this http://christiancrosstalk.blogspot.com/2008/06/daylights-creed.html ?

Be warned, the guy is a kook of the first degree.  He has talked about mourning the fact that he can&#039;t shoot up an abortion clinic, carrying a gun to defend himself from &quot;evil doing skeptics&quot; etc before.  He&#039;s bipolar and unstable and a self-proclaimed fundamentalist.  I only keep up on his stuff because its like watching a train wreck.  He does have his lucid moments from time to time though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ebon, were you aware of this <a href="http://christiancrosstalk.blogspot.com/2008/06/daylights-creed.html" rel="nofollow">http://christiancrosstalk.blogspot.com/2008/06/daylights-creed.html</a> ?</p>
<p>Be warned, the guy is a kook of the first degree.  He has talked about mourning the fact that he can't shoot up an abortion clinic, carrying a gun to defend himself from "evil doing skeptics" etc before.  He's bipolar and unstable and a self-proclaimed fundamentalist.  I only keep up on his stuff because its like watching a train wreck.  He does have his lucid moments from time to time though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this post and can&#039;t wait for the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this post and can't wait for the book.</p>
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		<title>By: yunshui</title>
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		<dc:creator>yunshui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A simple solution - God keeps changing his mind. 

Look at the evidence. To begin with, he sits down with Abraham, and says, &quot;Right Abes, here&#039;s the deal: you get all your kids, and their kids, and so on, yada yada yada, to worship me - &lt;i&gt;just&lt;/i&gt; me - and in exchange I&#039;ll make sure you have &lt;i&gt;loads&lt;/i&gt; of offspring, right, just... you won&#039;t even be able to count &#039;em all, trust me. Shake on it? Oh, by the way, you have to cut the ends of their dicks off too. Yeah, did I not mention that? Yeah, that&#039;s part of the deal too, &#039;kay?&quot;

Only problem is, he can&#039;t keep track of all Abraham&#039;s wayward descendants, running all over the place, worshipping false gods and all, so he figures, &quot;screw this,&quot; reneges on the contract and packs them all off to Babylon. Big change of plan there. But there still seem to be some good &#039;uns amongst the exiles, so he lets them go home. Change of plan, again. Now he&#039;s thinking, &quot;Mmm, all this sacrificing is stinking up the joint a bit - maybe that was a bad idea. I know - we can do a one-off sacrifice special, atone for all time! Yeah, that would be great! Hey, Jesus! Jesus! I&#039;ve got a job for you, son...&quot; Another change of plan.

So Jesus dies, and comes back to life, and apparently that means everything&#039;s hunky dory again. Except now, all the non-Jews are getting in on the act as well. &lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; was never part of the original plan! Well, the more the merrier, thinks God. Hey wait, those Arab tribes don&#039;t seem to have much of a clue, though. &quot;Yo, Mohammed! Yeah, you! I&#039;ve got a message for you. No hang on, I&#039;ve changed my mind... Ah sod it, tell &#039;em everything, they can pick the bits they like.&quot; But that didn&#039;t go down well at all.

Personally, I reckon we&#039;re about due a new Messiah. Michael Trevasser (well, if I was called Wayne Bent I&#039;d be on the phone to Deed Poll too...) was a bit of a non-starter, although he did have a suitable beard. Any takers for the position?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A simple solution - God keeps changing his mind. </p>
<p>Look at the evidence. To begin with, he sits down with Abraham, and says, "Right Abes, here's the deal: you get all your kids, and their kids, and so on, yada yada yada, to worship me - <i>just</i> me - and in exchange I'll make sure you have <i>loads</i> of offspring, right, just... you won't even be able to count 'em all, trust me. Shake on it? Oh, by the way, you have to cut the ends of their dicks off too. Yeah, did I not mention that? Yeah, that's part of the deal too, 'kay?"</p>
<p>Only problem is, he can't keep track of all Abraham's wayward descendants, running all over the place, worshipping false gods and all, so he figures, "screw this," reneges on the contract and packs them all off to Babylon. Big change of plan there. But there still seem to be some good 'uns amongst the exiles, so he lets them go home. Change of plan, again. Now he's thinking, "Mmm, all this sacrificing is stinking up the joint a bit - maybe that was a bad idea. I know - we can do a one-off sacrifice special, atone for all time! Yeah, that would be great! Hey, Jesus! Jesus! I've got a job for you, son..." Another change of plan.</p>
<p>So Jesus dies, and comes back to life, and apparently that means everything's hunky dory again. Except now, all the non-Jews are getting in on the act as well. <i>That</i> was never part of the original plan! Well, the more the merrier, thinks God. Hey wait, those Arab tribes don't seem to have much of a clue, though. "Yo, Mohammed! Yeah, you! I've got a message for you. No hang on, I've changed my mind... Ah sod it, tell 'em everything, they can pick the bits they like." But that didn't go down well at all.</p>
<p>Personally, I reckon we're about due a new Messiah. Michael Trevasser (well, if I was called Wayne Bent I'd be on the phone to Deed Poll too...) was a bit of a non-starter, although he did have a suitable beard. Any takers for the position?</p>
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		<title>By: LindaJoy</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/06/abrogation.html#comment-36688</link>
		<dc:creator>LindaJoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eshu- Thomas Jefferson called the concept of the Trinity &quot;unintelligible&quot; and John Adams agreed with him and became a Unitarian. They wrote often of this concept and had a bit of fun deriding it. I love the word &quot;unintelligible&quot;.

Once on a newspaper blog I asked why &quot;God&quot; didn&#039;t just hang Jesus in the Garden of Eden and get it all over at once. You wouldn&#039;t believe the variety and the incomprhensible responses I got to explain that. When questions like that are offered, there is not limit to the human imagination to come up with new theological explanations. When minds are entrenched in irrationalism, there&#039;s just not much you can do about it. I&#039;d like to think at least one of the people that read my question really started to think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eshu- Thomas Jefferson called the concept of the Trinity "unintelligible" and John Adams agreed with him and became a Unitarian. They wrote often of this concept and had a bit of fun deriding it. I love the word "unintelligible".</p>
<p>Once on a newspaper blog I asked why "God" didn't just hang Jesus in the Garden of Eden and get it all over at once. You wouldn't believe the variety and the incomprhensible responses I got to explain that. When questions like that are offered, there is not limit to the human imagination to come up with new theological explanations. When minds are entrenched in irrationalism, there's just not much you can do about it. I'd like to think at least one of the people that read my question really started to think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eshu</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/06/abrogation.html#comment-36685</link>
		<dc:creator>Eshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 06:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The only solution I can think of for theists to use is that God wants to see how much logical inconsistancies the mind can take- a &quot;stress test&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Interesting idea. I think some religious believers almost take pride in how illogical their beliefs are and therefore how strong their faith must be. Isn&#039;t the Catholic Trinity one of those?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The only solution I can think of for theists to use is that God wants to see how much logical inconsistancies the mind can take- a "stress test".</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting idea. I think some religious believers almost take pride in how illogical their beliefs are and therefore how strong their faith must be. Isn't the Catholic Trinity one of those?</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only solution I can think of for theists to use is that God wants to see how much logical inconsistancies the mind can take- a &quot;stress test&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only solution I can think of for theists to use is that God wants to see how much logical inconsistancies the mind can take- a "stress test".</p>
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