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	<title>Comments on: Thank God for Pre-trib Rapture</title>
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		<title>By: goyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>goyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Roman Catholic theology teaches the "Amillinialist" position, that is, jesus has already returned spiritually. There is no rapture, or tribulation. We're in the kingdom of god now.
Yes, the Jehovah's Witnesses continually show cartoon pictures of the future paradise on earth in their elementary-like  materials. They have a famous cover of one that shows a lion with a lamb and an infant together. That will be when carnivores become vegetarians.
The 144,000 in heaven has already filled up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Roman Catholic theology teaches the "Amillinialist" position, that is, jesus has already returned spiritually. There is no rapture, or tribulation. We're in the kingdom of god now.<br />
Yes, the Jehovah's Witnesses continually show cartoon pictures of the future paradise on earth in their elementary-like  materials. They have a famous cover of one that shows a lion with a lamb and an infant together. That will be when carnivores become vegetarians.<br />
The 144,000 in heaven has already filled up.</p>
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		<title>By: Metro</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/06/thank-god-for-pre-trib-rapture.html#comment-36444</link>
		<dc:creator>Metro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I favour the bumper sticker that reads "In the event of rapture, this car will be unoccupied. It will then plow into a school bus, killing all aboard."

The reason pre-tribulation is top of the heap is that it reinforces the believers' sense of their own specialness and worthiness to be among the elect. They'll get to sit on clouds sipping cool drinks while watching the wrongbelievers suffer. Which is why the &lt;a href="http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/283-%e2%80%93-heaven-is-an-amusement-park-that-never-closes/" rel="nofollow"&gt;map of heaven&lt;/a&gt; includes a window into Hell. I mean, it's no fun having a good time unless someone else is suffering horribly and you get to watch, right?

Can I get an A-men?

One of the advantages to growing up Catholic is that we weren't actually taught that we were special. We were as dammned as anyone else and we'd best remember it. "Rapture?" Nice thought. The good, the bad, and the ugly were all going to go through Tribulation together. Sort of "(God will) kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out." If you were really lucky, God might see fit to tip the scales in your favour, but you didn't get a pass just for going to church, nor even for confession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I favour the bumper sticker that reads "In the event of rapture, this car will be unoccupied. It will then plow into a school bus, killing all aboard."</p>
<p>The reason pre-tribulation is top of the heap is that it reinforces the believers' sense of their own specialness and worthiness to be among the elect. They'll get to sit on clouds sipping cool drinks while watching the wrongbelievers suffer. Which is why the <a href="http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/283-%e2%80%93-heaven-is-an-amusement-park-that-never-closes/" rel="nofollow">map of heaven</a> includes a window into Hell. I mean, it's no fun having a good time unless someone else is suffering horribly and you get to watch, right?</p>
<p>Can I get an A-men?</p>
<p>One of the advantages to growing up Catholic is that we weren't actually taught that we were special. We were as dammned as anyone else and we'd best remember it. "Rapture?" Nice thought. The good, the bad, and the ugly were all going to go through Tribulation together. Sort of "(God will) kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out." If you were really lucky, God might see fit to tip the scales in your favour, but you didn't get a pass just for going to church, nor even for confession.</p>
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		<title>By: TheNerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheNerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sucks to be #144,001.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sucks to be #144,001.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The verse is Revelation 14:3. It adds that the 144,000 are exclusively made up of male virgins, those who "are not defiled with women".

As I recall, Jehovah's Witnesses get around this problem by saying that only 144,000 people get to go to heaven, while everyone else gets eternal life on Earth, which is treated as sort of an overflow box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The verse is Revelation 14:3. It adds that the 144,000 are exclusively made up of male virgins, those who "are not defiled with women".</p>
<p>As I recall, Jehovah's Witnesses get around this problem by saying that only 144,000 people get to go to heaven, while everyone else gets eternal life on Earth, which is treated as sort of an overflow box.</p>
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		<title>By: lpetrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>lpetrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Book of Revelation can be very confusing, but the number is not 180,000 but 144,000. Each of the 12 tribes of Israel will contribute 12,000 male virgins, who will become the first to make it into Heaven during the Revelation &lt;i&gt;grand guignol&lt;/i&gt;.

There's a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/144000_%28number%29" rel="nofollow"&gt;Wikipedia article&lt;/a&gt; about the number 144,000 that discusses various beliefs, like the Jehovah's-Witness belief that only 144,000 people of either sex will make it into Heaven, and differences of opinion among other Xians as to whether that number is literal or symbolic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Book of Revelation can be very confusing, but the number is not 180,000 but 144,000. Each of the 12 tribes of Israel will contribute 12,000 male virgins, who will become the first to make it into Heaven during the Revelation <i>grand guignol</i>.</p>
<p>There's a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/144000_%28number%29" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia article</a> about the number 144,000 that discusses various beliefs, like the Jehovah's-Witness belief that only 144,000 people of either sex will make it into Heaven, and differences of opinion among other Xians as to whether that number is literal or symbolic.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrystien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrystien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the main reason why the pre-trib view is so popular compared to the others is because it's more attractive to believers than the other possibilities.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the mid/post-tribs suggest that believers are to be tortured during the tribulation along with the non-believers?  If so, than pre-trib would be the best option.  It locks in with the concept of a "happy ending for the good guys" that's so widespread in so many big religions today.

Also, I can clearly understand why so many prominent religious figures bring up the "end times" so frequently.  I mean, if you think about it, the Tribulation basically acts as a sort of "Silent Time Bomb of Doom."  Without End Times fear, most of the liberal believers would only fear about their eternal fate until they were close to death.  I can testify to this:  when I was still a Christian (albeit a Christian who was questioning his beliefs) I thought that I wouldn't have to worry too much about going to Hell for the time being, since I'm still young, and probably have a full life ahead of me, assuming I don't die in anything tragic or sudden, which I assume isn't particularly likely, all things considered, and I was very reluctant to become the Christian literalist my mother was, since I despised a lot of the concepts of fundamentalist Christianity, and hated watching shows such as the 700 Club and Pastor Hagee.  But the concept of "End of Days" and "Tribulation" creates urgency, and many of the Christians who preach these ideas always say its "IT'S THIS GENERATION" or "WE'RE IN THE END DAYS!"  Despite the fact that I was becoming more of an atheist as time went on, hearing people like John Hagee and Jack Van Impe bringing it up so frequently was frightening, even though I knew these guys were nut jobs, especially after I watched a YouTube video that showed Van Impe incorporating UFO's into his End Times ranting, saying that they were demonic beings sent by Satan (topped with imagery of stereotypical grays so prominent in alien culture – it’s ironic how he stoops so low that he starts digging out of the pseudoscience barrel.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main reason why the pre-trib view is so popular compared to the others is because it's more attractive to believers than the other possibilities.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the mid/post-tribs suggest that believers are to be tortured during the tribulation along with the non-believers?  If so, than pre-trib would be the best option.  It locks in with the concept of a "happy ending for the good guys" that's so widespread in so many big religions today.</p>
<p>Also, I can clearly understand why so many prominent religious figures bring up the "end times" so frequently.  I mean, if you think about it, the Tribulation basically acts as a sort of "Silent Time Bomb of Doom."  Without End Times fear, most of the liberal believers would only fear about their eternal fate until they were close to death.  I can testify to this:  when I was still a Christian (albeit a Christian who was questioning his beliefs) I thought that I wouldn't have to worry too much about going to Hell for the time being, since I'm still young, and probably have a full life ahead of me, assuming I don't die in anything tragic or sudden, which I assume isn't particularly likely, all things considered, and I was very reluctant to become the Christian literalist my mother was, since I despised a lot of the concepts of fundamentalist Christianity, and hated watching shows such as the 700 Club and Pastor Hagee.  But the concept of "End of Days" and "Tribulation" creates urgency, and many of the Christians who preach these ideas always say its "IT'S THIS GENERATION" or "WE'RE IN THE END DAYS!"  Despite the fact that I was becoming more of an atheist as time went on, hearing people like John Hagee and Jack Van Impe bringing it up so frequently was frightening, even though I knew these guys were nut jobs, especially after I watched a YouTube video that showed Van Impe incorporating UFO's into his End Times ranting, saying that they were demonic beings sent by Satan (topped with imagery of stereotypical grays so prominent in alien culture – it’s ironic how he stoops so low that he starts digging out of the pseudoscience barrel.)</p>
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		<title>By: Thropmorton Clackenhammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thropmorton Clackenhammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn't it say somewhere in Revelations that only 180,000 actually get into heavan?     And doesn't that 180,000 include all the people who have ever been born - those old bones mouldering away in graves are included in the count.  I remember saying this to a good ole catholic boy - he just about crapped his drawers and went running off to his priest....he was quite concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn't it say somewhere in Revelations that only 180,000 actually get into heavan?     And doesn't that 180,000 include all the people who have ever been born - those old bones mouldering away in graves are included in the count.  I remember saying this to a good ole catholic boy - he just about crapped his drawers and went running off to his priest....he was quite concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that link seems to be a little flakey.  If it doesn't work for you, &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Everyone-thinks-asshole-Bumper-Sticker/dp/B000668KJ6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=automotive&#38;qid=1213287716&#38;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow"&gt; try this one&lt;/a&gt; instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that link seems to be a little flakey.  If it doesn't work for you, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Everyone-thinks-asshole-Bumper-Sticker/dp/B000668KJ6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=automotive&amp;qid=1213287716&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow"> try this one</a> instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me, I know it's a bit off topic, but since the subject of bumper stickers came up, I can't resist pointing out &lt;a href="http://www.ruighaver.net/bumperstickers/stickers/asshole.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt; one of my favorites.&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me, I know it's a bit off topic, but since the subject of bumper stickers came up, I can't resist pointing out <a href="http://www.ruighaver.net/bumperstickers/stickers/asshole.htm" rel="nofollow"> one of my favorites.</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Vegan Atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vegan Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be completely accurate, it's been 1,975 years since the last rapture - maybe 1,981, if you take into account the corrected date of Jesus' supposed birth.

...I think my day just jumped the shark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be completely accurate, it's been 1,975 years since the last rapture - maybe 1,981, if you take into account the corrected date of Jesus' supposed birth.</p>
<p>...I think my day just jumped the shark.</p>
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