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	<title>Comments on: Is Evangelicalism On the Wane?</title>
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	<description>NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION.</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/evangelicalism-on-the-wane.html#comment-37496</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW: the society I have in mid would actually be quite peaceful - as no one would be in a rush to start a fight with anyone else, as everyone would have access to heavy firepower.  As the old Latin proverb says, "Sic vis pacem, para bellum."

It's not a "violent dream" but rather the idea of peace through power taken to its logical conclusion: if everyone is a power, no one is - so eveyone gets along for the sake of preserving a fragile peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW: the society I have in mid would actually be quite peaceful - as no one would be in a rush to start a fight with anyone else, as everyone would have access to heavy firepower.  As the old Latin proverb says, "Sic vis pacem, para bellum."</p>
<p>It's not a "violent dream" but rather the idea of peace through power taken to its logical conclusion: if everyone is a power, no one is - so eveyone gets along for the sake of preserving a fragile peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/evangelicalism-on-the-wane.html#comment-37495</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMFG, I'm not an anarchist - I do realize that some goverment will always exist in some form or another: I just think we should only have enough of it to prevent anarchy, and go no further in empowering that institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMFG, I'm not an anarchist - I do realize that some goverment will always exist in some form or another: I just think we should only have enough of it to prevent anarchy, and go no further in empowering that institution.</p>
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		<title>By: OMGF</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/evangelicalism-on-the-wane.html#comment-37460</link>
		<dc:creator>OMGF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/open-thread-on-anarchism.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;There's a whole thread dedicated to debunking your brand of non-government: anarchism.&lt;/a&gt;  Perhaps you can peddle your violent dreams there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/03/open-thread-on-anarchism.html" rel="nofollow">There's a whole thread dedicated to debunking your brand of non-government: anarchism.</a>  Perhaps you can peddle your violent dreams there.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/evangelicalism-on-the-wane.html#comment-37459</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because you don't like the message doesn't mean you have to attack the messenger, OMFG.  If you have a problem with my concept of a functioning society, point it out and give your reasons as to why you think it's a "bad" idea - it's not that hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because you don't like the message doesn't mean you have to attack the messenger, OMFG.  If you have a problem with my concept of a functioning society, point it out and give your reasons as to why you think it's a "bad" idea - it's not that hard.</p>
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		<title>By: OMGF</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/evangelicalism-on-the-wane.html#comment-37445</link>
		<dc:creator>OMGF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we please not poke the troll?  It's hurting my eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we please not poke the troll?  It's hurting my eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/evangelicalism-on-the-wane.html#comment-37444</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ipetrich,

"It seems to me that the Animal Farm effect will happen yet again, as Samuel Skinner has pointed out -- what's to keep a new political class from emerging?"

The fact that every man, woman and child in this new social anti-order would be armed to the teeth: making it impractical for government to even try to enforce any more "laws" than are absolutely essential for its continued existence.  In essence, the political class will die because people would (for the most part) live as laws unto themselves - thus all but negating the need for a class of sheep-herders to keep the flock in line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ipetrich,</p>
<p>"It seems to me that the Animal Farm effect will happen yet again, as Samuel Skinner has pointed out -- what's to keep a new political class from emerging?"</p>
<p>The fact that every man, woman and child in this new social anti-order would be armed to the teeth: making it impractical for government to even try to enforce any more "laws" than are absolutely essential for its continued existence.  In essence, the political class will die because people would (for the most part) live as laws unto themselves - thus all but negating the need for a class of sheep-herders to keep the flock in line.</p>
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		<title>By: lpetrich</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/evangelicalism-on-the-wane.html#comment-37436</link>
		<dc:creator>lpetrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher, that is fatuous utopianism. Are you serious that that is even halfway feasible? And how do you propose to depose the political class? By starting an anarchist rebellion?

It seems to me that the Animal Farm effect will happen yet again, as Samuel Skinner has pointed out -- what's to keep a new political class from emerging?

Our Founding Fathers had wanted to get away from political parties and factionalism, and they did that by writing a Constitution which ignored political parties, and which specified that the Vice President shall be the second biggest vote-getter in a Presidential election. However, that great experiment failed; the politicians quickly divided up into parties, and that way of choosing the Vice President was soon changed because it put rivals into office next to each other.

Imagine keeping that system, however, with Prez-Veep combinations like FDR-Hoover, FDR-Landon, FDR-Willkie, FDR-Dewey, Truman-Dewey, Eisenhower-Stevenson, Kennedy-Nixon, Johnson-Goldwater, Nixon-Humphrey, Nixon-McGovern, Carter-Ford, Reagan-Carter, Reagan-Mondale, BushI-Dukakis, Clinton-BushI, Clinton-Dole, BushII-Gore, BushII-Kerry. Or even Obama-McCain or McCain-Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher, that is fatuous utopianism. Are you serious that that is even halfway feasible? And how do you propose to depose the political class? By starting an anarchist rebellion?</p>
<p>It seems to me that the Animal Farm effect will happen yet again, as Samuel Skinner has pointed out -- what's to keep a new political class from emerging?</p>
<p>Our Founding Fathers had wanted to get away from political parties and factionalism, and they did that by writing a Constitution which ignored political parties, and which specified that the Vice President shall be the second biggest vote-getter in a Presidential election. However, that great experiment failed; the politicians quickly divided up into parties, and that way of choosing the Vice President was soon changed because it put rivals into office next to each other.</p>
<p>Imagine keeping that system, however, with Prez-Veep combinations like FDR-Hoover, FDR-Landon, FDR-Willkie, FDR-Dewey, Truman-Dewey, Eisenhower-Stevenson, Kennedy-Nixon, Johnson-Goldwater, Nixon-Humphrey, Nixon-McGovern, Carter-Ford, Reagan-Carter, Reagan-Mondale, BushI-Dukakis, Clinton-BushI, Clinton-Dole, BushII-Gore, BushII-Kerry. Or even Obama-McCain or McCain-Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Polly</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/evangelicalism-on-the-wane.html#comment-37432</link>
		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What or who is left to vilify? Fat people?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Orders to persecute heavy people could be called "FATwa's"
Parents would worry about their children getting fat at school under the influnce of what they'd call the "chubby agenda."

PE would become mandatory.

Hitler would be recast on History Channel dramatizations using overweight actors.

Every news story involving criminal activity would list the weights of the heavy-set perpetrators and focus disproportionately on their activities.

High food prices would be blamed on them.

Endevours to widen theater and airplane seats would be viewed as the ICC "the International Corpulent Conspiracy."

Then we could label the fat-rights campaign, "Save the whales!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What or who is left to vilify? Fat people?</p></blockquote>
<p>Orders to persecute heavy people could be called "FATwa's"<br />
Parents would worry about their children getting fat at school under the influnce of what they'd call the "chubby agenda."</p>
<p>PE would become mandatory.</p>
<p>Hitler would be recast on History Channel dramatizations using overweight actors.</p>
<p>Every news story involving criminal activity would list the weights of the heavy-set perpetrators and focus disproportionately on their activities.</p>
<p>High food prices would be blamed on them.</p>
<p>Endevours to widen theater and airplane seats would be viewed as the ICC "the International Corpulent Conspiracy."</p>
<p>Then we could label the fat-rights campaign, "Save the whales!"</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/evangelicalism-on-the-wane.html#comment-37430</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samuel Skinner,

"For those who think "destoying the political class" would change anything, I urge you to look at actual revolutions. The result is, invaribly, to replace on set of elites with another."

But the political class wasn't destoryed in said revolutions - all they did was replace the existing political class with another one.  The only way it can be destroyed is by the community coming to the realization that government is only an idea: and as such only has power so long as people believe in it.

Once a whole population realizes this, there's no way for politicains to enforce their will over them: if they make "laws" that the people find counter-prodcutive or else absurd, they will simply act as if it didn't exist - thus demoting politicians to the level of over-glorified administrators, as they can only enforce "laws" that the people find to be in their best interests instead of making their will into "law."

Of course, our civilization is far from this point - we won't get here until sizable portion of the population thinks of themselves as sovreign entities and states as being agents that serve their will (not those of special interests).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samuel Skinner,</p>
<p>"For those who think "destoying the political class" would change anything, I urge you to look at actual revolutions. The result is, invaribly, to replace on set of elites with another."</p>
<p>But the political class wasn't destoryed in said revolutions - all they did was replace the existing political class with another one.  The only way it can be destroyed is by the community coming to the realization that government is only an idea: and as such only has power so long as people believe in it.</p>
<p>Once a whole population realizes this, there's no way for politicains to enforce their will over them: if they make "laws" that the people find counter-prodcutive or else absurd, they will simply act as if it didn't exist - thus demoting politicians to the level of over-glorified administrators, as they can only enforce "laws" that the people find to be in their best interests instead of making their will into "law."</p>
<p>Of course, our civilization is far from this point - we won't get here until sizable portion of the population thinks of themselves as sovreign entities and states as being agents that serve their will (not those of special interests).</p>
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		<title>By: LindaJoy</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/evangelicalism-on-the-wane.html#comment-37414</link>
		<dc:creator>LindaJoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone here and anyone else should read Jeff Sharlet's The Family before you make anymore conclusions about the power level of fundamentalism in this country. And, just so you know, Obama, Clinton and McCain all have paid or are paying court to this group. "the chaplain" is on to something when it comes to Obama. We are a long ways from being out of the woods on this. If you just want a taste of what the book is about, google the article by Jeff Sharlet in Harper's entitled "Jesus Plus Nothing". Then get back on here and comment about the influence of religion supposedly waning in American government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone here and anyone else should read Jeff Sharlet's The Family before you make anymore conclusions about the power level of fundamentalism in this country. And, just so you know, Obama, Clinton and McCain all have paid or are paying court to this group. "the chaplain" is on to something when it comes to Obama. We are a long ways from being out of the woods on this. If you just want a taste of what the book is about, google the article by Jeff Sharlet in Harper's entitled "Jesus Plus Nothing". Then get back on here and comment about the influence of religion supposedly waning in American government.</p>
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