Comments on: Noises in the Night http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/noises-in-the-night.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:51:06 +0000 By: Christopher http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/noises-in-the-night.html#comment-37368 Christopher Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:57:22 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=781#comment-37368 Spelling: "violence" Spelling: "violence"

]]> By: Christopher http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/noises-in-the-night.html#comment-37367 Christopher Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:53:51 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=781#comment-37367 Alex Weaver, "And how does Jeffrey Dahmer fit into that scheme, Christopher?" He was a product of the sexual repression of the social order - in his time homosexuality was very tabboo, inspiring the homosexuals to take their sex lives underground: in this case, his repression was so deep that he could only express his sexuality in terms of voilence. Had the social order not repressed him, I doubt he would have turned into a serial rapist/killer - so, in a sense, the society he lived in created him (or at least played a huge role in it). "...don't answer that." If you didn't want an answer you shouldn't have raised the question... Alex Weaver,

"And how does Jeffrey Dahmer fit into that scheme, Christopher?"

He was a product of the sexual repression of the social order - in his time homosexuality was very tabboo, inspiring the homosexuals to take their sex lives underground: in this case, his repression was so deep that he could only express his sexuality in terms of voilence.

Had the social order not repressed him, I doubt he would have turned into a serial rapist/killer - so, in a sense, the society he lived in created him (or at least played a huge role in it).

"...don't answer that."

If you didn't want an answer you shouldn't have raised the question...

]]> By: Alex Weaver http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/noises-in-the-night.html#comment-37365 Alex Weaver Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:20:21 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=781#comment-37365 (Sorry if this double-posts) And how does Jeffrey Dahmer fit into that scheme, Christopher? ...don't answer that. (Sorry if this double-posts)

And how does Jeffrey Dahmer fit into that scheme, Christopher?

...don't answer that.

]]> By: Christopher http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/noises-in-the-night.html#comment-37359 Christopher Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:51:15 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=781#comment-37359 This is the type of absurdity that results when society gets involved in people's sex lives - anyone who deviates from their expectations is criminalized and demonized in the public eye. Of course, the trusting public - conditioned for obedience to authority - just buys whatever the people on TV, sit in oversized theaters (that's exactly what the legislative house is - an over-glorified colosseum) or those who wear badges tell them. I say that there's only one true monster in this world - and its name is social order. This is the type of absurdity that results when society gets involved in people's sex lives - anyone who deviates from their expectations is criminalized and demonized in the public eye. Of course, the trusting public - conditioned for obedience to authority - just buys whatever the people on TV, sit in oversized theaters (that's exactly what the legislative house is - an over-glorified colosseum) or those who wear badges tell them.

I say that there's only one true monster in this world - and its name is social order.

]]> By: Valhar2000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/noises-in-the-night.html#comment-37351 Valhar2000 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:20:32 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=781#comment-37351 Or the sex offenders list: people who were arrested for having sex in high school will rape your children!!!! THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!!!! Or the sex offenders list: people who were arrested for having sex in high school will rape your children!!!! THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!!!!

]]> By: Alex Weaver http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/noises-in-the-night.html#comment-37349 Alex Weaver Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:54:38 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=781#comment-37349 We have similar stories today. Ostensibly well-meaning relatives who try to scare you out of driving assertively by doing their best to convince you that every third person on the road is an armed psychopath waiting for the slightest provocation come to mind... We have similar stories today. Ostensibly well-meaning relatives who try to scare you out of driving assertively by doing their best to convince you that every third person on the road is an armed psychopath waiting for the slightest provocation come to mind...

]]> By: velkyn http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/noises-in-the-night.html#comment-37334 velkyn Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:16:18 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=781#comment-37334 Greta has it right. I found myself in that position. My parents lied to me (inadvertantly or not) and that started the questioning. If I couldn't trust them to be correct about something small, why believe unquestioningly about something big? IMO, religion must depend on fear and hate. It really is a primitive thing and is all about the "other" not being as "good" as us. Greta has it right. I found myself in that position. My parents lied to me (inadvertantly or not) and that started the questioning. If I couldn't trust them to be correct about something small, why believe unquestioningly about something big?

IMO, religion must depend on fear and hate. It really is a primitive thing and is all about the "other" not being as "good" as us.

]]> By: silentsanta http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/noises-in-the-night.html#comment-37329 silentsanta Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:35:39 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=781#comment-37329 Great post. I just had a thought after reading: "More than enough brave thinkers have gone before us to make it abundantly clear that there are no supernatural dangers lurking in the dark, no monsters hiding in the bushes." Aren't the real dangers almost all entirely human ones? And one of the greatest of these is the danger of your kinsman or neighbour, earnest but bound up in superstition and ready to spill blood over *his* fear of a nonexistent bogeyman? We have no need of monsters when we are already so adept at acting with pitiless inhumanity. Great post.

I just had a thought after reading:
"More than enough brave thinkers have gone before us to make it abundantly clear that there are no supernatural dangers lurking in the dark, no monsters hiding in the bushes."
Aren't the real dangers almost all entirely human ones? And one of the greatest of these is the danger of your kinsman or neighbour, earnest but bound up in superstition and ready to spill blood over *his* fear of a nonexistent bogeyman?
We have no need of monsters when we are already so adept at acting with pitiless inhumanity.

]]> By: bestonnet http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/noises-in-the-night.html#comment-37328 bestonnet Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:45:46 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=781#comment-37328 More than that, they learn that parents and teachers lie. Period, and not just about drugs. More than that, they learn that parents and teachers lie. Period, and not just about drugs.

]]> By: Greta Christina http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/07/noises-in-the-night.html#comment-37327 Greta Christina Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:51:53 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=781#comment-37327 IMO, trying to teach children caution by using false fears isn't only unethical, In any sort of modern information- era society, it's almost certainly bound to backfire. Think of what happens when parents and teachers lie to kids about the dangers of drugs. Once the kids find out they've been lied to, what do they learn? That parents and teachers lie to them about drugs. And they then disregard anything they've been taught about the dangers of drugs... even the stuff that is actually true. IMO, trying to teach children caution by using false fears isn't only unethical, In any sort of modern information- era society, it's almost certainly bound to backfire.

Think of what happens when parents and teachers lie to kids about the dangers of drugs. Once the kids find out they've been lied to, what do they learn? That parents and teachers lie to them about drugs. And they then disregard anything they've been taught about the dangers of drugs... even the stuff that is actually true.

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