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	<description>NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION.</description>
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		<title>By: Joffan</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/book-update-12.html#comment-38022</link>
		<dc:creator>Joffan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;m trying to find some more possibles on the back of this good discussion - plus random extras for creative stimulus... &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Daylight Atheism - Dreams are for darkness
Daylight Atheism - Turning from dreams to action
Daylight Atheism - Clear-eyed and conscious in reality
Daylight Atheism - Down-to-Earth concepts of purpose and meaning
Daylight Atheism - Good and godless
Daylight Atheism - A ten-step program to quit talking to the ceiling&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I couldn&#039;t resist turning up the &quot;nasty&quot; dial on Lynet&#039;s train of thought there...;-)
Any more for any more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I'm trying to find some more possibles on the back of this good discussion - plus random extras for creative stimulus...<br />
<blockquote><i>Daylight Atheism - Dreams are for darkness<br />
Daylight Atheism - Turning from dreams to action<br />
Daylight Atheism - Clear-eyed and conscious in reality<br />
Daylight Atheism - Down-to-Earth concepts of purpose and meaning<br />
Daylight Atheism - Good and godless<br />
Daylight Atheism - A ten-step program to quit talking to the ceiling</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I couldn't resist turning up the "nasty" dial on Lynet's train of thought there...;-)<br />
Any more for any more?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/book-update-12.html#comment-38020</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nighttime is for Dreaming. Daytime is for Action.&quot; - I find this phrase to be a statement towards people who are already atheists. The book, however, follows the main idea of the &quot;Ebon Musings&quot; site through its first half, so I don&#039;t think that fits. 

&quot;Unapologetic&quot; - I like it, but I don&#039;t think it quite fits the mesh either. It may be a bit too boastful of a phrase to slap on the front cover.

As for the &quot;Ghost in the Machine&quot; essay, I think it&#039;s fine outside of the book. And yes, that essay was one of my favorites too. (Inspired me to read a lot about neuroscience and consciousness.) Obviously, if you wanted to pay it homage, you could give it passing reference if touching on the notion of a soul in the book. But arguing about the soul on secular grounds isn&#039;t as important as arguing religion in the first place, which is the premise of the book. 

What you could do is put in some of the possible ramifications of shedding theism into your chapter &quot;Life Without Superstition.&quot; For example, no souls, the meaning of free will, our view of the universe, down-to-Earth notions of purpose and meaning, etc. Here you could list some ideas that could be inspected more openly with the absence of superstitious religious belief - like abortion, euthanasia, death penalty, marriage (not just the same-sex kind), or anything else that could get a new light shined on it with newfound atheism. You wouldn&#039;t have to make any argumentation on these topics; you are promoting freethought and individual thinking after all, and those topics don&#039;t all have answers determined fully by atheism. But you could give the reader a feeling of how, when the dominoes of religion fall down, you get to start all over again on the field of thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Nighttime is for Dreaming. Daytime is for Action." - I find this phrase to be a statement towards people who are already atheists. The book, however, follows the main idea of the "Ebon Musings" site through its first half, so I don't think that fits. </p>
<p>"Unapologetic" - I like it, but I don't think it quite fits the mesh either. It may be a bit too boastful of a phrase to slap on the front cover.</p>
<p>As for the "Ghost in the Machine" essay, I think it's fine outside of the book. And yes, that essay was one of my favorites too. (Inspired me to read a lot about neuroscience and consciousness.) Obviously, if you wanted to pay it homage, you could give it passing reference if touching on the notion of a soul in the book. But arguing about the soul on secular grounds isn't as important as arguing religion in the first place, which is the premise of the book. </p>
<p>What you could do is put in some of the possible ramifications of shedding theism into your chapter "Life Without Superstition." For example, no souls, the meaning of free will, our view of the universe, down-to-Earth notions of purpose and meaning, etc. Here you could list some ideas that could be inspected more openly with the absence of superstitious religious belief - like abortion, euthanasia, death penalty, marriage (not just the same-sex kind), or anything else that could get a new light shined on it with newfound atheism. You wouldn't have to make any argumentation on these topics; you are promoting freethought and individual thinking after all, and those topics don't all have answers determined fully by atheism. But you could give the reader a feeling of how, when the dominoes of religion fall down, you get to start all over again on the field of thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynet</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/book-update-12.html#comment-38004</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Joffan in thinking that the title might need something extra.  I&#039;m also with him in thinking that your blog subtitle is along the right lines (but not perfect).  &#039;Daylight Atheism&#039; is a phrase imbued with all sorts of meaning for us regulars here, not least the way it springboards off &#039;Ebon Musings&#039;.  For outsiders you could definitely make it more meaningful with a subtitle, though.

Actually, the best part of that slogan is the first half.  &lt;i&gt;Nighttime is for Dreaming&lt;/i&gt; -- okay, it&#039;d be stronger if you switched that around -- &lt;i&gt;Dreams are for Nighttime&lt;/i&gt;.

Now &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; is a snappy phrase.  Slightly nasty, actually.  The sort of thing to make the casual religious observer swallow nervously before becoming steamed up to the point of not realising that you&#039;re still saying dreams have a place in our lives.  Atheists would get that last bit within the first few pages of the book, though.

Your publisher, if and when you get one, may have opinions on this.  I&#039;ve got no idea what they would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm with Joffan in thinking that the title might need something extra.  I'm also with him in thinking that your blog subtitle is along the right lines (but not perfect).  'Daylight Atheism' is a phrase imbued with all sorts of meaning for us regulars here, not least the way it springboards off 'Ebon Musings'.  For outsiders you could definitely make it more meaningful with a subtitle, though.</p>
<p>Actually, the best part of that slogan is the first half.  <i>Nighttime is for Dreaming</i> -- okay, it'd be stronger if you switched that around -- <i>Dreams are for Nighttime</i>.</p>
<p>Now <i>that</i> is a snappy phrase.  Slightly nasty, actually.  The sort of thing to make the casual religious observer swallow nervously before becoming steamed up to the point of not realising that you're still saying dreams have a place in our lives.  Atheists would get that last bit within the first few pages of the book, though.</p>
<p>Your publisher, if and when you get one, may have opinions on this.  I've got no idea what they would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Felipe</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/book-update-12.html#comment-37981</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Felipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
The reason I chose &quot;Fossil Fuels&quot; as the first chapter is that I felt it provides a natural lead-in to the rest of the book. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry, I think I failed to make myself clear. I ment to say that I disagree with the first argument (scriptural immorality), not the first chapter.

The ghost in the machine seems to long as an appendix,specially if you are going to expand it. Its better as a sequel I think</description>
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The reason I chose "Fossil Fuels" as the first chapter is that I felt it provides a natural lead-in to the rest of the book.
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<p>Sorry, I think I failed to make myself clear. I ment to say that I disagree with the first argument (scriptural immorality), not the first chapter.</p>
<p>The ghost in the machine seems to long as an appendix,specially if you are going to expand it. Its better as a sequel I think</p>
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		<title>By: Joffan</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/book-update-12.html#comment-37953</link>
		<dc:creator>Joffan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course there&#039;s also and always the subtitle for the blog:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Daylight Atheism - Nighttime is for dreaming. Daylight is for action.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
But I think it does need something... the regulars here know the phrase &quot;Daylight Atheism&quot; and are comfortable with it, but it might be a little obscure and uninviting to a passing book browser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course there's also and always the subtitle for the blog:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Daylight Atheism - Nighttime is for dreaming. Daylight is for action.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>But I think it does need something... the regulars here know the phrase "Daylight Atheism" and are comfortable with it, but it might be a little obscure and uninviting to a passing book browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/book-update-12.html#comment-37949</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the option I&#039;m leaning towards at this point. Of course, I may well change my mind if I come across a subtitle I like enough to use.

I am surprised by the support for Ghost in the Machine. It is one of my favorites as well, but I hadn&#039;t thought it fit well enough into the theme of this book. Perhaps I could include it as an appendix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the option I'm leaning towards at this point. Of course, I may well change my mind if I come across a subtitle I like enough to use.</p>
<p>I am surprised by the support for Ghost in the Machine. It is one of my favorites as well, but I hadn't thought it fit well enough into the theme of this book. Perhaps I could include it as an appendix.</p>
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		<title>By: Joffan</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/book-update-12.html#comment-37948</link>
		<dc:creator>Joffan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s another option, of course, Nathan, as Ebonmuse mentioned earlier. Consider it added to the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's another option, of course, Nathan, as Ebonmuse mentioned earlier. Consider it added to the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/book-update-12.html#comment-37946</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 06:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is a subtitle even necessary? I think Daylight Atheism is self-explantory and fits the tone of your writing perfectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is a subtitle even necessary? I think Daylight Atheism is self-explantory and fits the tone of your writing perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Joffan</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/book-update-12.html#comment-37939</link>
		<dc:creator>Joffan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Lynet&#039;s suggestion for a subtitle (&lt;i&gt;An unapologetic&lt;/i&gt;), but in pursuit of creativity, I&#039;ll offer a few more:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Daylight Atheism - Celebrating the dawn of reason&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Daylight Atheism - Morality without gods&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Daylight Atheism - The end of pretence&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Daylight Atheism - How to discard the supernatural&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Daylight Atheism - Goodbye, god&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Daylight Atheism - Time for the human race to grow up and put away childish fancies&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Fashions change on subtitles... I&#039;ll have to go research what the current preference is (oh my, browsing in bookshops, what a chore - &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Lynet's suggestion for a subtitle (<i>An unapologetic</i>), but in pursuit of creativity, I'll offer a few more:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Daylight Atheism - Celebrating the dawn of reason</i><br />
<i>Daylight Atheism - Morality without gods</i><br />
<i>Daylight Atheism - The end of pretence</i><br />
<i>Daylight Atheism - How to discard the supernatural</i><br />
<i>Daylight Atheism - Goodbye, god</i><br />
<i>Daylight Atheism - Time for the human race to grow up and put away childish fancies</i>
</p></blockquote>
<p>Fashions change on subtitles... I'll have to go research what the current preference is (oh my, browsing in bookshops, what a chore - <i>not</i>).</p>
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		<title>By: heliobates</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/book-update-12.html#comment-37937</link>
		<dc:creator>heliobates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll chime in with my admiration for &lt;i&gt;AGITM&lt;/i&gt;. 

Aside from the fact that it&#039;s well-argued, I think it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; killer argument for atheism. Sure, The Problem of Evil has been vexatious for a couple thousand years but without dualism no supernatural presupposition can even make it out of the gate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll chime in with my admiration for <i>AGITM</i>. </p>
<p>Aside from the fact that it's well-argued, I think it's <i>the</i> killer argument for atheism. Sure, The Problem of Evil has been vexatious for a couple thousand years but without dualism no supernatural presupposition can even make it out of the gate.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/book-update-12.html#comment-37936</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just chiming in to agree with Juan. &lt;i&gt;A Ghost in the Machine&lt;/i&gt; is my all-time favorite of your essays, and I&#039;m sad to see it not included. Not only is it a thorough and well-constructed argument, but it&#039;s absolutely fascinating. You better have a sequel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just chiming in to agree with Juan. <i>A Ghost in the Machine</i> is my all-time favorite of your essays, and I'm sad to see it not included. Not only is it a thorough and well-constructed argument, but it's absolutely fascinating. You better have a sequel!</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/book-update-12.html#comment-37917</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Juan,

The reason I chose &quot;Fossil Fuels&quot; as the first chapter is that I felt it provides a natural lead-in to the rest of the book. I believe it answers the question, &quot;Why are you writing this book?&quot; in a way that the others don&#039;t. It establishes the importance of discussing the topics that the later chapters will discuss. I did attempt to cast the net more broadly than just Christianity, however.

I did agonize over including &quot;A Ghost in the Machine,&quot; but ultimately decided against it. While I think it&#039;s possibly my best argument, the others are more fundamental to the debate and affect a wider variety of religions. I wanted to have an equal number of chapters criticizing theism as I did arguing for the positive aspects of atheism, so that one ultimately had to go. But never fear: I&#039;ll just have to include it in the sequel. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Juan,</p>
<p>The reason I chose "Fossil Fuels" as the first chapter is that I felt it provides a natural lead-in to the rest of the book. I believe it answers the question, "Why are you writing this book?" in a way that the others don't. It establishes the importance of discussing the topics that the later chapters will discuss. I did attempt to cast the net more broadly than just Christianity, however.</p>
<p>I did agonize over including "A Ghost in the Machine," but ultimately decided against it. While I think it's possibly my best argument, the others are more fundamental to the debate and affect a wider variety of religions. I wanted to have an equal number of chapters criticizing theism as I did arguing for the positive aspects of atheism, so that one ultimately had to go. But never fear: I'll just have to include it in the sequel. :)</p>
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