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	<description>NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION.</description>
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		<title>By: bestonnet</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/words-that-burn.html#comment-37695</link>
		<dc:creator>bestonnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dictatorships that didn't have any outside have tended to last a long time only falling through contact with more advanced outsiders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dictatorships that didn't have any outside have tended to last a long time only falling through contact with more advanced outsiders.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Crowley</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/words-that-burn.html#comment-37693</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt censorship is entirely futile.  I'm sure there are dictators in power today who have only retained their power through ruthless suppression of opposing speech.  History may not be on their side, but I think they'll take what they can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt censorship is entirely futile.  I'm sure there are dictators in power today who have only retained their power through ruthless suppression of opposing speech.  History may not be on their side, but I think they'll take what they can get.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Currion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Currion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're over-estimating the power of words based on a bias towards successful writings in your own history. Obviously the failed pamphleteers and orators of history don't echo down the ages, because they lost - and history is written by the winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're over-estimating the power of words based on a bias towards successful writings in your own history. Obviously the failed pamphleteers and orators of history don't echo down the ages, because they lost - and history is written by the winners.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien R. S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien R. S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;in this world we've only ever had summer freedoms and sunshine democracies. We've never had one that survived when the going got rough.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, I don't know.  Athens got conquered by Sparta, with oligarchy installed, but bounced back to democracy within a year, lasting until the more permanent conquest by Macedon.  The USA and Confederacy both had elections in the middle of civil war, the USA and UK maintained elections in WWII.  Iceland's Althing has run a long time, through famines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>in this world we've only ever had summer freedoms and sunshine democracies. We've never had one that survived when the going got rough.</i></p>
<p>Well, I don't know.  Athens got conquered by Sparta, with oligarchy installed, but bounced back to democracy within a year, lasting until the more permanent conquest by Macedon.  The USA and Confederacy both had elections in the middle of civil war, the USA and UK maintained elections in WWII.  Iceland's Althing has run a long time, through famines.</p>
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		<title>By: David D.G.</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/words-that-burn.html#comment-37548</link>
		<dc:creator>David D.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stellar post, Ebonmuse!  That was truly moving.


~David D.G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stellar post, Ebonmuse!  That was truly moving.</p>
<p>~David D.G.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Pendent</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/words-that-burn.html#comment-37546</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Pendent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ingersoll's Revenge</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/words-that-burn.html#comment-37523</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingersoll's Revenge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The paradox of massive censorship is that there is often an underground element that emerges to wriggle from the tyrant's grasp.  The more the heavy hand of that censorship comes down upon a people, the more the people fight back with alternate means of expression.  Ebon himself is an exercise in that fringe element; the Internet blogger is a reaction to the constraints of the mainstream media.  

In fact, the Internet alone allows for the mass dissemination of information unlike anything that Tom Paine or Frederick Douglass could have imagined.  Any effort by countries such as China to censor this platform is an exercise in futility, as I would imagine that it's impossible to silence a worldwide, multimedia network.

This is why I never understood the concept of censorship: in the short-term it works like a dream, but it always fails in the long-term, especially once ideas spread.  History has proven this time and again.  The only true way to achieve absolute subjugation of a populace, as Ebon mentioned, is to control their thoughts (Orwell and "thoughtcrime" comes to mind), though even in today's world this proves exceedingly difficult.

Good post, and a necessary one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paradox of massive censorship is that there is often an underground element that emerges to wriggle from the tyrant's grasp.  The more the heavy hand of that censorship comes down upon a people, the more the people fight back with alternate means of expression.  Ebon himself is an exercise in that fringe element; the Internet blogger is a reaction to the constraints of the mainstream media.  </p>
<p>In fact, the Internet alone allows for the mass dissemination of information unlike anything that Tom Paine or Frederick Douglass could have imagined.  Any effort by countries such as China to censor this platform is an exercise in futility, as I would imagine that it's impossible to silence a worldwide, multimedia network.</p>
<p>This is why I never understood the concept of censorship: in the short-term it works like a dream, but it always fails in the long-term, especially once ideas spread.  History has proven this time and again.  The only true way to achieve absolute subjugation of a populace, as Ebon mentioned, is to control their thoughts (Orwell and "thoughtcrime" comes to mind), though even in today's world this proves exceedingly difficult.</p>
<p>Good post, and a necessary one.</p>
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		<title>By: bbk</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, I'm not sure what to think about China.  It's a country plagued with so many astounding problems.  Their resources are such that everyone could have meat, or everyone could have roads, but very few could ever have both.  To paraphrase Washington a little bit... in this world we've only ever had summer freedoms and sunshine democracies.  We've never had one that survived when the going got rough.

America has survived as a democracy because it quickly produced a wealthy and powerful upper class whose interests have always been to let no one person attain absolute power.  Even when the democracy was as corrupt as it was during the slave trade, or as corrupt as it is now because of oilmen, it always stayed a democracy because there was plenty of money to be made out of it.

We like to wag our finger at other countries who are coping with natural resource problems that are simply mind boggling when we've never dealt with anything similar ourselves.  If we used American standards for when it's okay to invade other countries in order to secure a resource for reasons of national security (i.e. to steal it), then China should have invaded every country on earth by now.  If we used American standards for how much freedom we're willing to give up when a couple terrorists fly a plane into some buildings, then what we really should be asking is why Americans have become so weak and pathetic since the days of Washington instead of why the Chinese don't have a real democracy yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, I'm not sure what to think about China.  It's a country plagued with so many astounding problems.  Their resources are such that everyone could have meat, or everyone could have roads, but very few could ever have both.  To paraphrase Washington a little bit... in this world we've only ever had summer freedoms and sunshine democracies.  We've never had one that survived when the going got rough.</p>
<p>America has survived as a democracy because it quickly produced a wealthy and powerful upper class whose interests have always been to let no one person attain absolute power.  Even when the democracy was as corrupt as it was during the slave trade, or as corrupt as it is now because of oilmen, it always stayed a democracy because there was plenty of money to be made out of it.</p>
<p>We like to wag our finger at other countries who are coping with natural resource problems that are simply mind boggling when we've never dealt with anything similar ourselves.  If we used American standards for when it's okay to invade other countries in order to secure a resource for reasons of national security (i.e. to steal it), then China should have invaded every country on earth by now.  If we used American standards for how much freedom we're willing to give up when a couple terrorists fly a plane into some buildings, then what we really should be asking is why Americans have become so weak and pathetic since the days of Washington instead of why the Chinese don't have a real democracy yet.</p>
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		<title>By: KShep</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/words-that-burn.html#comment-37521</link>
		<dc:creator>KShep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One remarkable fact about human history is that every tyranny, every dictatorship, every autocracy - without exception - censors speech which criticizes its rulers or otherwise upsets its preconceptions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Resisting......urge....to bash......Dubya.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One remarkable fact about human history is that every tyranny, every dictatorship, every autocracy - without exception - censors speech which criticizes its rulers or otherwise upsets its preconceptions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Resisting......urge....to bash......Dubya.......</p>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/08/words-that-burn.html#comment-37520</link>
		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, Ebon!  Sometimes you can be positively sublime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, Ebon!  Sometimes you can be positively sublime.</p>
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