<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: It Pays to Advertise</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html</link>
	<description>NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:14:52 -0800</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html#comment-48734</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=836#comment-48734</guid>
		<description>Hi. My first time here.

I agree with seathanaich above. Why invoke a loaded word that has the propensity to create so much confusion, yet you are, in essence, simply trying to allude to well known emotions, or a range of those emotions? Just be specific. 

I recall getting confused while reading the later chapters of Sam Harris&#039; book End of Faith, where he kept throwing that word - spiritual - around. I was confused because this guy is supposed to be one of the sharpest rationionalists around, yet he kept harping on about &#039;spiritual experiences&#039;. Afterwards, when I Googled &quot;sam harris spirituality&quot;, I found that several skeptics (including Randi) had noted that, for a rationalist, Sam Harris was confusing many people with his allusions to &#039;spirituality&#039;. It turns out, he reads alot stuff from people like Dean Radin and thinks mystical experiences can be rational..so yeah no wonder. Harris obviously has a &#039;woo&#039; fetish, for which he has been deservedly criticised by the rationalist community. 

http://www.sacw.net/free/Trading%20Faith%20for%20Spirituality_%20The%20Mystifications%20of%20Sam%20Harris.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmske/is_3_13/ai_n29381143/


Of course, YOU might mean something different when you say it, but to the ears of most people, spiritual equals supernatural - at least in everyday colloquial usage. So rather than start a war of semantics with theists about the meaning of &#039;spiritual&#039;, I think as atheists we&#039;d be better of without ever using that word. Words like comfort, empathy, ecstacy, euphoria, joy, peace, etc..better explain the range of sensations we experience which some of you here are preferring to call &#039;spititual&#039;. &#039;Spiritual&#039; sounds suspiciously New Agey, and will be construed as such by most people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. My first time here.</p>
<p>I agree with seathanaich above. Why invoke a loaded word that has the propensity to create so much confusion, yet you are, in essence, simply trying to allude to well known emotions, or a range of those emotions? Just be specific. </p>
<p>I recall getting confused while reading the later chapters of Sam Harris' book End of Faith, where he kept throwing that word - spiritual - around. I was confused because this guy is supposed to be one of the sharpest rationionalists around, yet he kept harping on about 'spiritual experiences'. Afterwards, when I Googled "sam harris spirituality", I found that several skeptics (including Randi) had noted that, for a rationalist, Sam Harris was confusing many people with his allusions to 'spirituality'. It turns out, he reads alot stuff from people like Dean Radin and thinks mystical experiences can be rational..so yeah no wonder. Harris obviously has a 'woo' fetish, for which he has been deservedly criticised by the rationalist community. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.sacw.net/free/Trading%20Faith%20for%20Spirituality_%20The%20Mystifications%20of%20Sam%20Harris.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sacw.net/free/Trading%20Faith%20for%20Spirituality_%20The%20Mystifications%20of%20Sam%20Harris.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmske/is_3_13/ai_n29381143/" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmske/is_3_13/ai_n29381143/</a></p>
<p>Of course, YOU might mean something different when you say it, but to the ears of most people, spiritual equals supernatural - at least in everyday colloquial usage. So rather than start a war of semantics with theists about the meaning of 'spiritual', I think as atheists we'd be better of without ever using that word. Words like comfort, empathy, ecstacy, euphoria, joy, peace, etc..better explain the range of sensations we experience which some of you here are preferring to call 'spititual'. 'Spiritual' sounds suspiciously New Agey, and will be construed as such by most people.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Thumpalumpacus</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html#comment-48727</link>
		<dc:creator>Thumpalumpacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=836#comment-48727</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I dismiss it [the concept of spirituality] as surely as I dismiss other bogus religious constructs like &quot;soul&quot; and &quot;mind&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The concept of mind is bogus?  Then why do you bother to use the word &quot;I&quot;?  If you&#039;ve no mind, where is your sense of self seated?  Your shinbone?

Please clarify this line of thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I dismiss it [the concept of spirituality] as surely as I dismiss other bogus religious constructs like "soul" and "mind".</p></blockquote>
<p>The concept of mind is bogus?  Then why do you bother to use the word "I"?  If you've no mind, where is your sense of self seated?  Your shinbone?</p>
<p>Please clarify this line of thought.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: seathanaich</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html#comment-48715</link>
		<dc:creator>seathanaich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=836#comment-48715</guid>
		<description>The term &quot;spirituality&quot; when used by atheists is like a hangover is to alcholics. It&#039;s a sign that they haven&#039;t fully escaped from the culturally context of their religion.

There is no such thing as &quot;spirituality&quot;. It&#039;s just another bogus concept made up by religions and the religious. &quot;Soul&quot; and &quot;mind&quot; are just religious terms for &quot;personality&quot; and &quot;brain&quot; that have been made obsolete by science, but remain in use for their artistic connotations, and because of societal familiarity with them.

The same is true of &quot;spiritualality&quot;. What does this term actually convey? It&#039;s meaningless. Humour, kindness, enjoyment of life, love, joy - these are all real, identifiable qualities which people have, or don&#039;t have. What does &quot;spirituality&quot; contribute to any of them? It&#039;s just a term coined by by a pre-scientific society, today used by the religious to pretend that they have access to some secret that non-believers of their god and faith can&#039;t gain access to. I dismiss it as surely as I dismiss other bogus religious constructs like &quot;soul&quot; and &quot;mind&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term "spirituality" when used by atheists is like a hangover is to alcholics. It's a sign that they haven't fully escaped from the culturally context of their religion.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as "spirituality". It's just another bogus concept made up by religions and the religious. "Soul" and "mind" are just religious terms for "personality" and "brain" that have been made obsolete by science, but remain in use for their artistic connotations, and because of societal familiarity with them.</p>
<p>The same is true of "spiritualality". What does this term actually convey? It's meaningless. Humour, kindness, enjoyment of life, love, joy - these are all real, identifiable qualities which people have, or don't have. What does "spirituality" contribute to any of them? It's just a term coined by by a pre-scientific society, today used by the religious to pretend that they have access to some secret that non-believers of their god and faith can't gain access to. I dismiss it as surely as I dismiss other bogus religious constructs like "soul" and "mind".</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ziddina</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html#comment-44255</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziddina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=836#comment-44255</guid>
		<description>Man! I always come into these sites AFTER all the fun conversations have cooled off...  Polly, in response to the woman whose sandwich you purchased (after all those Christian people forgot about Jesus&#039;[alleged] example of feeding the poor!), perhaps you could have said, &quot;Honey, don&#039;t pray for me!  Pray for all those hard-hearted fellow Christians of yours that refused to pay one thin dime for your food!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man! I always come into these sites AFTER all the fun conversations have cooled off...  Polly, in response to the woman whose sandwich you purchased (after all those Christian people forgot about Jesus'[alleged] example of feeding the poor!), perhaps you could have said, "Honey, don't pray for me!  Pray for all those hard-hearted fellow Christians of yours that refused to pay one thin dime for your food!!"</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alex Weaver</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html#comment-44058</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=836#comment-44058</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is interesting that the woman you spoke with was looking for spirituality in atheism. One can&#039;t seem to get away from that need.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Basic HUMAN needs that have been highjacked by specific creeds tend to work that way, yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is interesting that the woman you spoke with was looking for spirituality in atheism. One can't seem to get away from that need.</p></blockquote>
<p>Basic HUMAN needs that have been highjacked by specific creeds tend to work that way, yes.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Karla</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html#comment-44044</link>
		<dc:creator>Karla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=836#comment-44044</guid>
		<description>It is interesting that the woman you spoke with was looking for spirituality in atheism. One can&#039;t seem to get away from that need. 

Also I am working to answer your 10 questions to pastors. I will post my answers, as a pastor&#039;s wife, in the coming week on my blogspot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that the woman you spoke with was looking for spirituality in atheism. One can't seem to get away from that need. </p>
<p>Also I am working to answer your 10 questions to pastors. I will post my answers, as a pastor's wife, in the coming week on my blogspot.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Antoinette</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html#comment-42794</link>
		<dc:creator>Antoinette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=836#comment-42794</guid>
		<description>Hello, I find the phrasing in your blog extremely interesting and would love to corrispond with you about how you came to your belief in athieism. I have been studying a variety of philoshers and find that there hasn&#039;t been an original thought in a long time. Anytime you think your on to something, someone, somewhere has done an extensive study on the issue that usually leads to more questions. Like where do feelings evolve from. Like Love. Hate. Anyway, do you agree that it takes alot of faith to belive that a law of physics would have had to be broken in order for the universe to just have started on its own. An object at rest will remain at rest unless acted upon by an outside force. Out of nothing-nothing comes, This law has not been broken since that time. I have a great deal of respect for those who seek truth and don&#039;t say that we all can be right. There is either a God or there isn&#039;t. If there is no God, I am to be pittied above anyone else. However, if there is, what we believe or don&#039;t believe about his existence is pointless. Do you agree? Hope if you have time you would engage in a debate about these things</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I find the phrasing in your blog extremely interesting and would love to corrispond with you about how you came to your belief in athieism. I have been studying a variety of philoshers and find that there hasn't been an original thought in a long time. Anytime you think your on to something, someone, somewhere has done an extensive study on the issue that usually leads to more questions. Like where do feelings evolve from. Like Love. Hate. Anyway, do you agree that it takes alot of faith to belive that a law of physics would have had to be broken in order for the universe to just have started on its own. An object at rest will remain at rest unless acted upon by an outside force. Out of nothing-nothing comes, This law has not been broken since that time. I have a great deal of respect for those who seek truth and don't say that we all can be right. There is either a God or there isn't. If there is no God, I am to be pittied above anyone else. However, if there is, what we believe or don't believe about his existence is pointless. Do you agree? Hope if you have time you would engage in a debate about these things</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Polly</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html#comment-39059</link>
		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=836#comment-39059</guid>
		<description>Did anyone catch last night&#039;s episode of &quot;Family Guy&quot;? Brian, the dog, meets a woman when they discuss Richard Dawkins&#039;s &quot;The God Delusion.&quot; They actually show the book and both say that they&#039;re athests. I was only half paying attention to the TV up to that point, so I may not have the scene completely accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone catch last night's episode of "Family Guy"? Brian, the dog, meets a woman when they discuss Richard Dawkins's "The God Delusion." They actually show the book and both say that they're athests. I was only half paying attention to the TV up to that point, so I may not have the scene completely accurate.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html#comment-39023</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=836#comment-39023</guid>
		<description>Of course - Jesus came down from the cross and changed his identity many times through the centuries to justify his followers&#039; beliefs that he actually rose from the dead!  Now Adam Lee is Jesus&#039; secret identity!

*Look, up in the sky - it&#039;s a bird; it&#039;s a plane; it&#039;s...  Super Jesus!*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course - Jesus came down from the cross and changed his identity many times through the centuries to justify his followers' beliefs that he actually rose from the dead!  Now Adam Lee is Jesus' secret identity!</p>
<p>*Look, up in the sky - it's a bird; it's a plane; it's...  Super Jesus!*</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: heliobates</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html#comment-39011</link>
		<dc:creator>heliobates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=836#comment-39011</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you can&#039;t provide evidence that he isn&#039;t Jesus, then that proves that he is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, I admit that&#039;s the New Atheism&#039;s greatest failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you can't provide evidence that he isn't Jesus, then that proves that he is.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, I admit that's the New Atheism's greatest failure.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: OMGF</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html#comment-39009</link>
		<dc:creator>OMGF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=836#comment-39009</guid>
		<description>If you can&#039;t provide evidence that he isn&#039;t Jesus, then that proves that he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can't provide evidence that he isn't Jesus, then that proves that he is.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: heliobates</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/it-pays-to-advertise.html#comment-39008</link>
		<dc:creator>heliobates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=836#comment-39008</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He&#039;s secretly Jesus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re on to something. I mean, has &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt; ever seen the two of them in the same room together?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He's secretly Jesus.</p></blockquote>
<p>You're on to something. I mean, has <i>anyone</i> ever seen the two of them in the same room together?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
