Comments on: Little-Known Bible Verses XI: Polygamy http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:51:04 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Juan Felipe http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html#comment-40483 Juan Felipe Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:51:56 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=822#comment-40483 Great post Adam, a translation has been published here: http://www.elhorror.net/colab64.htm Great post Adam, a translation has been published here:

http://www.elhorror.net/colab64.htm

]]> By: heliobates http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html#comment-38967 heliobates Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:04:39 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=822#comment-38967 Ya lost me, coach. Perhaps you could point to the archaeological and historical (extra-textual) evidence for Moses, the Exodus and, well the accuracy of anything pre-6th century BCE. I read six or seven of those pages and couldn't find any of it. This does not bode well. Ya lost me, coach.

Perhaps you could point to the archaeological and historical (extra-textual) evidence for Moses, the Exodus and, well the accuracy of anything pre-6th century BCE. I read six or seven of those pages and couldn't find any of it.

This does not bode well.

]]> By: OMGF http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html#comment-38966 OMGF Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:42:50 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=822#comment-38966 I fail to see how your link is on topic. I also fail to see what's interesting about it. Is it the part where people are claiming that the Bible is evidence for the Bible? Is it the part where people are claiming that the Bible is true until you prove it is false? Is it the part where one person claims that the stories came directly from Noah since he lived 300 years after the flood, so therefore they are true? Maybe it's the part where someone tried to upbraid another by stating that bitumen wasn't used before 900 BCE and that that somehow supports the Bible being written before then because it says they used bitumen? I fail to see how your link is on topic. I also fail to see what's interesting about it. Is it the part where people are claiming that the Bible is evidence for the Bible? Is it the part where people are claiming that the Bible is true until you prove it is false? Is it the part where one person claims that the stories came directly from Noah since he lived 300 years after the flood, so therefore they are true? Maybe it's the part where someone tried to upbraid another by stating that bitumen wasn't used before 900 BCE and that that somehow supports the Bible being written before then because it says they used bitumen?

]]> By: Adam http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html#comment-38955 Adam Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:28:32 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=822#comment-38955 heliobates, It's on topic Here...interesting debate http://forum.bib-arch.info/index.php?topic=89.15 Page 2,3,4,5,6 are good heliobates,

It's on topic Here...interesting debate http://forum.bib-arch.info/index.php?topic=89.15

Page 2,3,4,5,6 are good

]]> By: heliobates http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html#comment-38950 heliobates Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:27:41 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=822#comment-38950 <blockquote>I believe these guys....</blockquote> So? What do they have to say about this argument?

I believe these guys....

So? What do they have to say about this argument?

]]> By: Christopher http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html#comment-38947 Christopher Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:19:41 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=822#comment-38947 Looks to me like those BAR fellas are among the few remaining archeologists that still have a shovel in one hand and a Bible in the other - this brand of "archeology" whent out of style decads ago when legitimate scholars took over the digs from religious fundamentalists seeking validation for their beliefs. Looks to me like those BAR fellas are among the few remaining archeologists that still have a shovel in one hand and a Bible in the other - this brand of "archeology" whent out of style decads ago when legitimate scholars took over the digs from religious fundamentalists seeking validation for their beliefs.

]]> By: Leum http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html#comment-38940 Leum Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:34:38 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=822#comment-38940 Um, Adam, do you want us to read the entire Biblical Archaeology Review, or is there a particular article you want us to read? If you want to say that BAR is a reputable organization that agrees with your take on the Bible's historicity, fine, but BAR's "About Us" section makes no mention of its position on historicity, so I'm not sure what ground you'd have for making that claim. Um, Adam, do you want us to read the entire Biblical Archaeology Review, or is there a particular article you want us to read? If you want to say that BAR is a reputable organization that agrees with your take on the Bible's historicity, fine, but BAR's "About Us" section makes no mention of its position on historicity, so I'm not sure what ground you'd have for making that claim.

]]> By: Adam http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html#comment-38938 Adam Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:14:53 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=822#comment-38938 heliobates, <blockquote> This was after Yahweh stopped being one of the seventy children of Asherah, brother to Baal. And therefore it's also after Yahweh was worshiped with Asherah as his consort. By the Southern Hebrew tribes. What you really refer to is the re-visioning of the Bronze Age Israeli ethnic group into an Iron Age monotheistic nation-state, right? Yanno, several centuries after the Exodus (which didn't happen) and the conquest of Canaan (which also didn't happen) when Yahweh became ascendant in the Hebrew pantheon. I mean, there's no evidence: zero, zip, nada, that Moses ever existed, </blockquote> I believe these guys.... http://www.bib-arch.org/ Adam heliobates,

This was after Yahweh stopped being one of the seventy children of Asherah, brother to Baal. And therefore it's also after Yahweh was worshiped with Asherah as his consort. By the Southern Hebrew tribes.

What you really refer to is the re-visioning of the Bronze Age Israeli ethnic group into an Iron Age monotheistic nation-state, right? Yanno, several centuries after the Exodus (which didn't happen) and the conquest of Canaan (which also didn't happen) when Yahweh became ascendant in the Hebrew pantheon.

I mean, there's no evidence: zero, zip, nada, that Moses ever existed,

I believe these guys....
http://www.bib-arch.org/

Adam

]]> By: Leum http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html#comment-38929 Leum Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:08:13 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=822#comment-38929 <blockquote>perhaps it will only take a couple generations of "illegitimate" children to mature and reproduce to make society see how unnecissary this vestige of patriarchy is...</blockquote> Is there really still that strong of a stigma against children born out of wedlock? Prejudice against single mothers, yes, but I haven't noticed criticism of "illegitimate" children. Also, marriage does more than grant "legitimacy" to children. It grants couples a whole host of legal rights that are very difficult to secure otherwise, but you're probably opposed to that sort of thing as well.

perhaps it will only take a couple generations of "illegitimate" children to mature and reproduce to make society see how unnecissary this vestige of patriarchy is...

Is there really still that strong of a stigma against children born out of wedlock? Prejudice against single mothers, yes, but I haven't noticed criticism of "illegitimate" children.

Also, marriage does more than grant "legitimacy" to children. It grants couples a whole host of legal rights that are very difficult to secure otherwise, but you're probably opposed to that sort of thing as well.

]]> By: Christopher http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html#comment-38928 Christopher Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:30:39 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=822#comment-38928 Adam, <blockquote>If you do not believe there is free will then I guess I can not engage in this converstaion with you any more.</blockquote> Translate: I'm taking my ball and going home. Adam,

If you do not believe there is free will then I guess I can not engage in this converstaion with you any more.

Translate: I'm taking my ball and going home.

]]> By: Christopher http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html#comment-38927 Christopher Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:28:14 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=822#comment-38927 heliobates, <blockquote>In the short run, yes. It's too deeply ingrained in all of our legal institutions. I'm more familiar with Canadian laws, and the real reason I support gay/lesbian marriage vs. the "why bother" stance is that SCC rulings have confirmed that cohabitive relationships are not on equal footing with state-licensed marriage.</blockquote> Personally, I'm all for uprooting 90% of our legal system and just throwing it away - so such consequenses I would view as being a positive as it would make people less reliant on government to spell their lives out for them through "law." <blockquote>In the long run: all costs are variable ;o) But it's going to take generations of work to deprecate this antiquated institution</blockquote> Well, many people thought that institutions like slavery would be there for ages to come too - perhaps it will only take a couple generations of "illegitimate" children to mature and reproduce to make society see how unnecissary this vestige of patriarchy is... heliobates,

In the short run, yes. It's too deeply ingrained in all of our legal institutions. I'm more familiar with Canadian laws, and the real reason I support gay/lesbian marriage vs. the "why bother" stance is that SCC rulings have confirmed that cohabitive relationships are not on equal footing with state-licensed marriage.

Personally, I'm all for uprooting 90% of our legal system and just throwing it away - so such consequenses I would view as being a positive as it would make people less reliant on government to spell their lives out for them through "law."

In the long run: all costs are variable ;o) But it's going to take generations of work to deprecate this antiquated institution

Well, many people thought that institutions like slavery would be there for ages to come too - perhaps it will only take a couple generations of "illegitimate" children to mature and reproduce to make society see how unnecissary this vestige of patriarchy is...

]]> By: Brad http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/polygamy.html#comment-38920 Brad Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:46:46 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=822#comment-38920 To make the crayon allegory more fitting, we would have to imagine that the teachers give and take crayons throughout the grades, and only after periods of time do they introduce the best, most useful crayons, after which point many many children have finished drawing and can no longer use them. Some of these crayons also serve no purpose in making good pictures, and others still only do damage to the attempted images made from them. The crayon allegory also only serves to prove Ebonmuse's point: by declining to hand us an absolute morality, and by instead holding a list of changing morals and laws for us, God would be upholding moral relativism. To make the crayon allegory more fitting, we would have to imagine that the teachers give and take crayons throughout the grades, and only after periods of time do they introduce the best, most useful crayons, after which point many many children have finished drawing and can no longer use them. Some of these crayons also serve no purpose in making good pictures, and others still only do damage to the attempted images made from them.

The crayon allegory also only serves to prove Ebonmuse's point: by declining to hand us an absolute morality, and by instead holding a list of changing morals and laws for us, God would be upholding moral relativism.

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