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		<title>By: Adele</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/uncharitable-interpretation.html#comment-39737</link>
		<dc:creator>Adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel as if I really should mention... the New Ten Commandments on EbonMusings hit so close to my heart when I was still wavering on the issue of religion that I feel as if they were nearly as pivotal to my conversion to atheism as The God Delusion.  I would just like to thank you SO MUCH for those - they brought together neatly EVERYTHING I had been feeling and thinking and tied it up in a little package with a beautiful bow.  Thank you, thank you, thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel as if I really should mention... the New Ten Commandments on EbonMusings hit so close to my heart when I was still wavering on the issue of religion that I feel as if they were nearly as pivotal to my conversion to atheism as The God Delusion.  I would just like to thank you SO MUCH for those - they brought together neatly EVERYTHING I had been feeling and thinking and tied it up in a little package with a beautiful bow.  Thank you, thank you, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/uncharitable-interpretation.html#comment-38785</link>
		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virginia,

I visited your site but somebody scribbled all over it. ;)  (How&#039;s that for linguistic chauvinism!)

What you said above hit home with me:  &#039;...my Christian friend simply &quot;brainstorm&quot; all kinds of interpretation in a attempt to steer away from the sticky part....&#039;  I remember so well doing that myself as a Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginia,</p>
<p>I visited your site but somebody scribbled all over it. ;)  (How's that for linguistic chauvinism!)</p>
<p>What you said above hit home with me:  '...my Christian friend simply "brainstorm" all kinds of interpretation in a attempt to steer away from the sticky part....'  I remember so well doing that myself as a Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Swanson</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/uncharitable-interpretation.html#comment-38713</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Swanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people like this try to take all these quotes literally, except when they don&#039;t, because they take the Bible literally, except when they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people like this try to take all these quotes literally, except when they don't, because they take the Bible literally, except when they don't.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Newport</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/uncharitable-interpretation.html#comment-38685</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Newport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said.</p>
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		<title>By: virginia</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/uncharitable-interpretation.html#comment-38664</link>
		<dc:creator>virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erika, apart from the tendency of uncharitable interpretation, there&#039;s also another twist, the tendency to throw out numerous interpretation to dilute the most plausible interpretation. My experience is on a post regarding local Christian leaders leaning towards the establishments, and there are years of observations and facts to substantiate -- my Christian friend simply &quot;brainstorm&quot; all kinds of interpretation in a attempt to steer away from the sticky part -- and when I insist she start with facts, she said I am &quot;obsessed with facts&quot; and that the PERSONS (I mentioned in my post) cannot be undestood without considering the &quot;intentions&quot; -- my post never pointed at the PERSONS, and that&#039;s how she tried to dilute my points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika, apart from the tendency of uncharitable interpretation, there's also another twist, the tendency to throw out numerous interpretation to dilute the most plausible interpretation. My experience is on a post regarding local Christian leaders leaning towards the establishments, and there are years of observations and facts to substantiate -- my Christian friend simply "brainstorm" all kinds of interpretation in a attempt to steer away from the sticky part -- and when I insist she start with facts, she said I am "obsessed with facts" and that the PERSONS (I mentioned in my post) cannot be undestood without considering the "intentions" -- my post never pointed at the PERSONS, and that's how she tried to dilute my points.</p>
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		<title>By: silentsanta</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/uncharitable-interpretation.html#comment-38662</link>
		<dc:creator>silentsanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do recall this article from Dalrymple.  At the time,  I felt it was a terrible shame, as I have enjoyed a number of his other writings, and I felt his stance here was both pretentious and childish.  It hasn&#039;t improved with a second viewing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do recall this article from Dalrymple.  At the time,  I felt it was a terrible shame, as I have enjoyed a number of his other writings, and I felt his stance here was both pretentious and childish.  It hasn't improved with a second viewing.</p>
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		<title>By: virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend calls this &quot;the art of missing the point&quot; -- so often Christians chooses to miss ANY valid points from whoever opposes their faith, and dig on extremely trivial ones (or they trivialize your importint points).

In that critique of God Delusion, again a similar trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend calls this "the art of missing the point" -- so often Christians chooses to miss ANY valid points from whoever opposes their faith, and dig on extremely trivial ones (or they trivialize your importint points).</p>
<p>In that critique of God Delusion, again a similar trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/uncharitable-interpretation.html#comment-38658</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quote was from a user with the handle Oliver_York on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/tag/religion/forum/ref=cm_cd_pg_oldest?_encoding=UTF8&amp;cdForum=Fx417AUXOWKSRN&amp;cdPage=1&amp;cdSort=newest&amp;cdThread=Tx2JHSQVZKST6ZZ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this discussion&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quote was from a user with the handle Oliver_York on <a href="http://www.amazon.com/tag/religion/forum/ref=cm_cd_pg_oldest?_encoding=UTF8&amp;cdForum=Fx417AUXOWKSRN&amp;cdPage=1&amp;cdSort=newest&amp;cdThread=Tx2JHSQVZKST6ZZ" rel="nofollow">this discussion</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: terrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>terrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erika that quote is absolutely fantastic. Do you have an attribution? Reminds me of another favorite, &quot;If a thing is true, why would you need &#039;faith&#039;&quot;?  If a thing is not true, no amount of &#039;faith&#039; will make it true.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika that quote is absolutely fantastic. Do you have an attribution? Reminds me of another favorite, "If a thing is true, why would you need 'faith'"?  If a thing is not true, no amount of 'faith' will make it true."</p>
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		<title>By: Greta Christina</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/uncharitable-interpretation.html#comment-38651</link>
		<dc:creator>Greta Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup.

I&#039;m sure every atheist blogger has run into this: Christian or other theistic commenters who act as if they&#039;re merely trying to understand and/or to debate, but who are really only interested in playing &quot;Gotcha.&quot; Nitpicking with minor, offhand points you make while ignoring the main point; putting the worst possible interpretation on what you&#039;ve written, and then arguing with that.

It&#039;s almost as if they&#039;re being deliberately obnoxious and obtuse. And sometimes I think they are. But more often, I think it&#039;s unconscious: they can&#039;t allow themselves to take the larger ideas seriously and debate them seriously, since that might put chinks in the armor of their faith. So they play &quot;Gotcha!&quot; -- and think they&#039;ve successfully debated you and defended their faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup.</p>
<p>I'm sure every atheist blogger has run into this: Christian or other theistic commenters who act as if they're merely trying to understand and/or to debate, but who are really only interested in playing "Gotcha." Nitpicking with minor, offhand points you make while ignoring the main point; putting the worst possible interpretation on what you've written, and then arguing with that.</p>
<p>It's almost as if they're being deliberately obnoxious and obtuse. And sometimes I think they are. But more often, I think it's unconscious: they can't allow themselves to take the larger ideas seriously and debate them seriously, since that might put chinks in the armor of their faith. So they play "Gotcha!" -- and think they've successfully debated you and defended their faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/09/uncharitable-interpretation.html#comment-38650</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tendency for uncharitable interpretation hit me close to home recently.  I &lt;a href=&quot;http://kitty-tape.livejournal.com/295146.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted a quote&lt;/a&gt; that I found inspiring in my personal journal.  &lt;blockquote&gt;If religion was true then the more we studied it the more its truth should shine out, instead the experience of many people is that the more they study it the less sense it makes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  I did not mean for this to turn into a debate.  I just thought it was a neat statement and wanted to preserve it for myself and share it.  However, I got responses like the following which makes the tired assumption that scientific reasoning is the only form that atheists will accept &lt;blockquote&gt;If religion could be proven or disproven simply by thinking about it, what would the point of faith be?  Religion is not science, it should not be treated as such, from both sides of the issue mind you. If you seek religion from the same frame of mind you seek the answers to math problems, no it won&#039;t be very appealing, but then it never claimed to be that way.&lt;/blockquote&gt; and this one, which interprets the statement in a way it that is clearly over analyzing it &lt;blockquote&gt;The first part of that statement is incoherent. It is like saying &quot;If philosophy were true...&quot;. Religion, like philosophy, (and neuro-chemical patterns!) is not the sort of thing that can be true or false. That can only particular said of particular religious or philosophical statements.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  Statements about my atheism are held to a much higher standard of precision than, for example, statements about politics where my friends have opinions that largely overlap with mine.  It is annoying to be held to a different standard just because they hold a different set of beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tendency for uncharitable interpretation hit me close to home recently.  I <a href="http://kitty-tape.livejournal.com/295146.html" rel="nofollow">posted a quote</a> that I found inspiring in my personal journal.<br />
<blockquote>If religion was true then the more we studied it the more its truth should shine out, instead the experience of many people is that the more they study it the less sense it makes.</p></blockquote>
<p>  I did not mean for this to turn into a debate.  I just thought it was a neat statement and wanted to preserve it for myself and share it.  However, I got responses like the following which makes the tired assumption that scientific reasoning is the only form that atheists will accept<br />
<blockquote>If religion could be proven or disproven simply by thinking about it, what would the point of faith be?  Religion is not science, it should not be treated as such, from both sides of the issue mind you. If you seek religion from the same frame of mind you seek the answers to math problems, no it won't be very appealing, but then it never claimed to be that way.</p></blockquote>
<p> and this one, which interprets the statement in a way it that is clearly over analyzing it<br />
<blockquote>The first part of that statement is incoherent. It is like saying "If philosophy were true...". Religion, like philosophy, (and neuro-chemical patterns!) is not the sort of thing that can be true or false. That can only particular said of particular religious or philosophical statements.</p></blockquote>
<p>  Statements about my atheism are held to a much higher standard of precision than, for example, statements about politics where my friends have opinions that largely overlap with mine.  It is annoying to be held to a different standard just because they hold a different set of beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: the chaplain</title>
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		<dc:creator>the chaplain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all their prattle about how morally superior their brand of theism is to all other religions and philosophies and, especially, atheism, several prominent Christian apologists habitually obfuscate, lie, misdirect and otherwise speak and behave in morally questionable ways. I agree with you - I&#039;ll take atheists and humanists over these wretchedly poor ambassadors of faith any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all their prattle about how morally superior their brand of theism is to all other religions and philosophies and, especially, atheism, several prominent Christian apologists habitually obfuscate, lie, misdirect and otherwise speak and behave in morally questionable ways. I agree with you - I'll take atheists and humanists over these wretchedly poor ambassadors of faith any day.</p>
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