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	<title>Comments on: Book Review: The Little Book of Atheist Spirituality</title>
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		<title>By: bbk</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/10/the-little-book-of-atheist-spirituality.html#comment-42693</link>
		<dc:creator>bbk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just reading the book now, looking for a positive portrayal of spirituality, but I can&#039;t help getting a sense of sophistry here.  There is just too much anecdote, argument towards authority, and otherwise unsubstantiated claims that string together much of Comte-Sponville&#039;s argument.  Maybe I&#039;m just not intelligent enough to figure out the deeper meaning of the author&#039;s point, but some of the sections seem entirely vapid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm just reading the book now, looking for a positive portrayal of spirituality, but I can't help getting a sense of sophistry here.  There is just too much anecdote, argument towards authority, and otherwise unsubstantiated claims that string together much of Comte-Sponville's argument.  Maybe I'm just not intelligent enough to figure out the deeper meaning of the author's point, but some of the sections seem entirely vapid.</p>
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		<title>By: Polly</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/10/the-little-book-of-atheist-spirituality.html#comment-42181</link>
		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw man, it screwed it up. It didn&#039;t look like that in the preview pane.

Oh well. Suffice it to say, I never need to use &lt;b&gt;title&lt;/b&gt;. 

Just &lt;b&gt;a href = http:\\blah\blah.htm&lt;/b&gt; in angled brackets, and then a label and then open another angle bracket with &lt;b&gt;/a&lt;/b&gt; and then close bracket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw man, it screwed it up. It didn't look like that in the preview pane.</p>
<p>Oh well. Suffice it to say, I never need to use <b>title</b>. </p>
<p>Just <b>a href = http:\\blah\blah.htm</b> in angled brackets, and then a label and then open another angle bracket with <b>/a</b> and then close bracket.</p>
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		<title>By: Polly</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/10/the-little-book-of-atheist-spirituality.html#comment-42180</link>
		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Matthew Wilder,&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, can someone explain to my why I need to include [title=&quot;&quot;] in my [a] tag in order for it not to cut out half my post and make the rest into a hyperlink?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re trying to do. But, if it&#039;s a hyperlink, then I use

some label&quot;

Ignore all the quotation marks&gt; I just needed to add something so that my example wouldn&#039;t get posted as a hyperlink to Blah.

HTH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Matthew Wilder,</b></p>
<blockquote><p>Also, can someone explain to my why I need to include [title=""] in my [a] tag in order for it not to cut out half my post and make the rest into a hyperlink?</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm not sure what you're trying to do. But, if it's a hyperlink, then I use</p>
<p>some label"</p>
<p>Ignore all the quotation marks&gt; I just needed to add something so that my example wouldn't get posted as a hyperlink to Blah.</p>
<p>HTH</p>
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		<title>By: OMGF</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/10/the-little-book-of-atheist-spirituality.html#comment-42167</link>
		<dc:creator>OMGF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What many of my fellow atheists fail to see is that the non-existence of god does not mean that the position is vacant for a human to fill.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Huh?  Is there any evidence that any atheist here or elsewhere thinks they can will a truck to stop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What many of my fellow atheists fail to see is that the non-existence of god does not mean that the position is vacant for a human to fill.</p></blockquote>
<p>Huh?  Is there any evidence that any atheist here or elsewhere thinks they can will a truck to stop?</p>
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		<title>By: ddjango</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/10/the-little-book-of-atheist-spirituality.html#comment-42142</link>
		<dc:creator>ddjango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an atheist. And I think that anyone who needs to say &quot;fuck god&quot; or &quot;fuck religion&quot; or &quot;fuck spirituality&quot; may be in a great deal of pain. Rage and rigidity only drive people away, as religion has driven me away.

&quot;Spiritual&quot;, like &quot;liberal&quot; or &quot;progressive&quot; or &quot;terrorism&quot;, has become another battered word with a thousand interpretations.

What many of my fellow atheists fail to see is that the non-existence of god does not mean that the position is vacant for a human to fill. If anyone doubts that, I suggest going down to the interstate, stepping in front of a speeding 18-wheeler, and will it to stop. Tell me how it works for you.

I loved Comte-Sponville&#039;s book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an atheist. And I think that anyone who needs to say "fuck god" or "fuck religion" or "fuck spirituality" may be in a great deal of pain. Rage and rigidity only drive people away, as religion has driven me away.</p>
<p>"Spiritual", like "liberal" or "progressive" or "terrorism", has become another battered word with a thousand interpretations.</p>
<p>What many of my fellow atheists fail to see is that the non-existence of god does not mean that the position is vacant for a human to fill. If anyone doubts that, I suggest going down to the interstate, stepping in front of a speeding 18-wheeler, and will it to stop. Tell me how it works for you.</p>
<p>I loved Comte-Sponville's book.</p>
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		<title>By: BJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the word &quot;spirituality&quot; is meaningful or useful outside the context of religious practices. Awe and wonder work just fine for me. Would I not have to buy into the idea of &quot;spirit&quot; to be spiritual? I can be gobsmacked and get an endorphin rush by contemplating the wonders of the universe but I don&#039;t think that makes me spiritual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't think the word "spirituality" is meaningful or useful outside the context of religious practices. Awe and wonder work just fine for me. Would I not have to buy into the idea of "spirit" to be spiritual? I can be gobsmacked and get an endorphin rush by contemplating the wonders of the universe but I don't think that makes me spiritual.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernFriedSkeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernFriedSkeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The feelings of awe and wonder, oneness with the universe, etc...Sagan often just referred to them as numinous feelings.  Numinous is often given as a synonym for spiritual, but can also refer to aesthetic sense and feelings of awe or wonder.  I don&#039;t think spiritual or numinous are words that should be conceded to the religious.  These feelings do exist.  I hope everyone here has at some point had that sense, whether gazing at the stars and considering the scale of the universe and one&#039;s own relative size by comparison, or wrapping one&#039;s mind for the first time around the concept of DNA and it&#039;s implications that all life on Earth share just a few molecules as their basis despite its apparent diversity.  Even watching a special about stars or or our sun and getting caught up in amazement both at the frightening power and mesmerizing beauty of those burning giants.  What better example of mysterium tremendum et fascinas can there be?  It is usually a term describing moments of religious experience but boils down to a sense of awe and wonder combined with a sense of fearsome power or overwhelming magnificence.  Many religious people consider these experiences as evidence for a divine presence.  I am not willing to concede that to them, but cannot deny that feelings like this are sometimes generated in the mind in the presence of psychological triggers.  When we have these experiences through secular stimuli, we should not deny the feelings, nor attempt to rename them, but should confront the argument for a divine presence with examples of the same experience without any appeal to the divine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The feelings of awe and wonder, oneness with the universe, etc...Sagan often just referred to them as numinous feelings.  Numinous is often given as a synonym for spiritual, but can also refer to aesthetic sense and feelings of awe or wonder.  I don't think spiritual or numinous are words that should be conceded to the religious.  These feelings do exist.  I hope everyone here has at some point had that sense, whether gazing at the stars and considering the scale of the universe and one's own relative size by comparison, or wrapping one's mind for the first time around the concept of DNA and it's implications that all life on Earth share just a few molecules as their basis despite its apparent diversity.  Even watching a special about stars or or our sun and getting caught up in amazement both at the frightening power and mesmerizing beauty of those burning giants.  What better example of mysterium tremendum et fascinas can there be?  It is usually a term describing moments of religious experience but boils down to a sense of awe and wonder combined with a sense of fearsome power or overwhelming magnificence.  Many religious people consider these experiences as evidence for a divine presence.  I am not willing to concede that to them, but cannot deny that feelings like this are sometimes generated in the mind in the presence of psychological triggers.  When we have these experiences through secular stimuli, we should not deny the feelings, nor attempt to rename them, but should confront the argument for a divine presence with examples of the same experience without any appeal to the divine.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t quite agree that spirituality is really that undesirable -- if in a way we can topple the monopoly of the word by theist / Christians, it is a kind of success -- that we atheist can experiece awe, joy, transcending experience, wonder etc. -- equal or exceed that of theist/Christians but minus the bigotry God part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't quite agree that spirituality is really that undesirable -- if in a way we can topple the monopoly of the word by theist / Christians, it is a kind of success -- that we atheist can experiece awe, joy, transcending experience, wonder etc. -- equal or exceed that of theist/Christians but minus the bigotry God part.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathew Wilder,

&lt;blockquote&gt;On wishing god existed: I agree with Mikhail Bakunin, &quot;The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.&quot; I can&#039;t remember where he wrote it, but Camus has similar sentiments, writing in effect, if there is a god, he has made a mess of things, and we humans must tear him from his throne.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Damn straight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mathew Wilder,</p>
<blockquote><p>On wishing god existed: I agree with Mikhail Bakunin, "The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth." I can't remember where he wrote it, but Camus has similar sentiments, writing in effect, if there is a god, he has made a mess of things, and we humans must tear him from his throne.</p></blockquote>
<p>Damn straight!</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On wishing god existed: I agree with Mikhail Bakunin, &quot;The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.&quot; I can&#039;t remember where he wrote it, but Camus has similar sentiments, writing in effect, if there is a god, he has made a mess of things, and we humans must tear him from his throne. 

I do not wish there to be a god (if that word, &#039;god&#039; even means anything, which I really don&#039;t think it does. Even believers have no idea what they mean when they say &#039;god&#039; or &#039;god exists&#039;). God claims all seem to entail belief in an aferlife, and it seems to me - and not &lt;a href=&quot;http://secweb.infidels.org/?kiosk=articles&amp;id=333&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;just to me&lt;/a&gt; - that any sort of other life, especially &quot;eternal life&quot; devalues this life. To quote Camus, (who was almost single-handedly responsible for my deconversion, because of his book &lt;i&gt;The Plague&lt;/i&gt;, which crystallized the Problem of Evil for me - which is why I reference him so frequently): &quot;If there is sin against life, it consists in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life.&quot;

On atheist sprituality: I don&#039;t like the word &#039;spirituality&#039; because it has too many overtones of religion and the supernatural. Can atheists (or perhaps one should say, naturalists or humanists, since there are certainly non-theistic supernatural beliefs) experience beauty, love, awe? Of course. I think we should use those words, though, and not &#039;spirituality&#039;, which is somewhat loaded. I also agree that it makes atheists seem like they wish for a church, or religion, or &quot;faith-community&quot; in which to belong.

Also, can someone explain to my why I need to include [title=&quot;&quot;] in my [a] tag in order for it not to cut out half my post and make the rest into a hyperlink?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On wishing god existed: I agree with Mikhail Bakunin, "The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth." I can't remember where he wrote it, but Camus has similar sentiments, writing in effect, if there is a god, he has made a mess of things, and we humans must tear him from his throne. </p>
<p>I do not wish there to be a god (if that word, 'god' even means anything, which I really don't think it does. Even believers have no idea what they mean when they say 'god' or 'god exists'). God claims all seem to entail belief in an aferlife, and it seems to me - and not <a href="http://secweb.infidels.org/?kiosk=articles&amp;id=333" title="" rel="nofollow">just to me</a> - that any sort of other life, especially "eternal life" devalues this life. To quote Camus, (who was almost single-handedly responsible for my deconversion, because of his book <i>The Plague</i>, which crystallized the Problem of Evil for me - which is why I reference him so frequently): "If there is sin against life, it consists in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life."</p>
<p>On atheist sprituality: I don't like the word 'spirituality' because it has too many overtones of religion and the supernatural. Can atheists (or perhaps one should say, naturalists or humanists, since there are certainly non-theistic supernatural beliefs) experience beauty, love, awe? Of course. I think we should use those words, though, and not 'spirituality', which is somewhat loaded. I also agree that it makes atheists seem like they wish for a church, or religion, or "faith-community" in which to belong.</p>
<p>Also, can someone explain to my why I need to include [title=""] in my [a] tag in order for it not to cut out half my post and make the rest into a hyperlink?</p>
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		<title>By: ChristineS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChristineS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...but the fact remains that these passages are likely to be quoted by religious apologists as &quot;evidence&quot; that even atheists endorse some of their claims. It would have been better if he had worded these passages in ways not as susceptible to misinterpretation.&lt;/i&gt;

While I found the rest of this post interesting, I don&#039;t know if I agree with this statement. I don&#039;t much like the idea of censoring oneself or even changing the way you express a belief on the grounds that someone might misinterpret it or misuse it. I understand the concern, and I think I&#039;ve read a few religious apologists who have referred to this book as a sign that atheists really want to believe, but I don&#039;t think that that threat is worth censoring oneself. We can&#039;t effectively argue if we&#039;re always afraid of how our words might be misconstrued.

Other than that, an intriguing review-- I might pick up this book next time I&#039;m at my local bookstore, if only to flip through it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>...but the fact remains that these passages are likely to be quoted by religious apologists as "evidence" that even atheists endorse some of their claims. It would have been better if he had worded these passages in ways not as susceptible to misinterpretation.</i></p>
<p>While I found the rest of this post interesting, I don't know if I agree with this statement. I don't much like the idea of censoring oneself or even changing the way you express a belief on the grounds that someone might misinterpret it or misuse it. I understand the concern, and I think I've read a few religious apologists who have referred to this book as a sign that atheists really want to believe, but I don't think that that threat is worth censoring oneself. We can't effectively argue if we're always afraid of how our words might be misconstrued.</p>
<p>Other than that, an intriguing review-- I might pick up this book next time I'm at my local bookstore, if only to flip through it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wonder whether it is a good idea to use the word &#039;spirituality&#039; at all. It is an extremely vague word without any generally agreed meaning. I&#039;ve seen it used to refer to aspects of a persons own religion; to religion in general; to belief in any supernatural beings &lt;i&gt;outside&lt;/i&gt; of organised religion; to belief in a sort of deist god; to ghosts; to any sort of positive emotion. I&#039;m pretty certain that many people who use it don&#039;t really have any idea what they mean. But I think it more often than not is used to imply a belief in some sort of supernatural being. 

If we want to refer to feelings of awe and wonder, then let&#039;s call them that - unless someone has a better word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wonder whether it is a good idea to use the word 'spirituality' at all. It is an extremely vague word without any generally agreed meaning. I've seen it used to refer to aspects of a persons own religion; to religion in general; to belief in any supernatural beings <i>outside</i> of organised religion; to belief in a sort of deist god; to ghosts; to any sort of positive emotion. I'm pretty certain that many people who use it don't really have any idea what they mean. But I think it more often than not is used to imply a belief in some sort of supernatural being. </p>
<p>If we want to refer to feelings of awe and wonder, then let's call them that - unless someone has a better word.</p>
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