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		<title>By: Jim Speiser</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/ambassadors-for-atheism.html#comment-43819</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Speiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 03:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to Paul Fidalgo...thank you, thank you, a thousand thank yous.  I&#039;ve been saying for years that we need a stronger voice on the airwaves.  Well...see my comment to your excellent blogpost on Bloc Raisonneur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to Paul Fidalgo...thank you, thank you, a thousand thank yous.  I've been saying for years that we need a stronger voice on the airwaves.  Well...see my comment to your excellent blogpost on Bloc Raisonneur.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Speiser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Speiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abusedbypenguins (ew, how does THAT happen?) - A coworker of mine once recommended her friend as a cleaning lady.  The friend came over, we interviewed her for a while, she seemed OK, until she uttered the phrase, &quot;...and I&#039;m Christian, so you know I&#039;m honest.&quot; Needless to say, she didn&#039;t get the job. But I took it one step further and explained to her friend, my co-worker, exactly WHY she didn&#039;t get the job, and suggested she pass it on as a way for her friend to avoid messing up future interviews.  My co-worker, though also Christian, threw her head back and gasped, &quot;Ugh!  That idiot!&quot; Hopefully someone learned a lesson, or at least was given pause for reflection on their bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abusedbypenguins (ew, how does THAT happen?) - A coworker of mine once recommended her friend as a cleaning lady.  The friend came over, we interviewed her for a while, she seemed OK, until she uttered the phrase, "...and I'm Christian, so you know I'm honest." Needless to say, she didn't get the job. But I took it one step further and explained to her friend, my co-worker, exactly WHY she didn't get the job, and suggested she pass it on as a way for her friend to avoid messing up future interviews.  My co-worker, though also Christian, threw her head back and gasped, "Ugh!  That idiot!" Hopefully someone learned a lesson, or at least was given pause for reflection on their bigotry.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/ambassadors-for-atheism.html#comment-43789</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;SPOILER ALERT!&lt;/b&gt;
Yeah, &lt;i&gt;His Dark Materials&lt;/i&gt; was described by my friend Jack as &quot;Reverse-&lt;i&gt;Narnia&lt;/i&gt;:  it starts with a girl in a wardrobe, and at the end, they kill God.&quot;  My understanding is that it&#039;s a condemnation of organized religion, as it tends to turn people into mindless obedience machines.

To Polly and nfpendleton, my heart goes out to each of you.  I was raised mainly by my father, who casually subscribes to Tenrikyo, which meshes pretty well with my own utilitarian ethics.  My mother, on the other hand, is rather extremely religious, and our relationship has suffered for it in the past.  I think I have the good fortune to be more important to her than her religion, though; I hope that you are able to make some worthwhile peace with your families, as well.

Mikespeir, Ebonmuse has a Must-Read post called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/04/firebrands.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Firebrands&lt;/a&gt; which I think addresses the concern you raise about incorrigible prejudice.  Coupled with this post, I think the takeaway points are &quot;Live well&quot; and &quot;Fuck the haters.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>SPOILER ALERT!</b><br />
Yeah, <i>His Dark Materials</i> was described by my friend Jack as "Reverse-<i>Narnia</i>:  it starts with a girl in a wardrobe, and at the end, they kill God."  My understanding is that it's a condemnation of organized religion, as it tends to turn people into mindless obedience machines.</p>
<p>To Polly and nfpendleton, my heart goes out to each of you.  I was raised mainly by my father, who casually subscribes to Tenrikyo, which meshes pretty well with my own utilitarian ethics.  My mother, on the other hand, is rather extremely religious, and our relationship has suffered for it in the past.  I think I have the good fortune to be more important to her than her religion, though; I hope that you are able to make some worthwhile peace with your families, as well.</p>
<p>Mikespeir, Ebonmuse has a Must-Read post called <a href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/04/firebrands.html" rel="nofollow">Firebrands</a> which I think addresses the concern you raise about incorrigible prejudice.  Coupled with this post, I think the takeaway points are "Live well" and "Fuck the haters."</p>
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		<title>By: InTheImageOfDNA</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/ambassadors-for-atheism.html#comment-43787</link>
		<dc:creator>InTheImageOfDNA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ebon, thanks for telling why.  I had no idea that Facebook did that.  Shows how much I know about such matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ebon, thanks for telling why.  I had no idea that Facebook did that.  Shows how much I know about such matters.</p>
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		<title>By: abusedbypenguins</title>
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		<dc:creator>abusedbypenguins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many years ago while doing the best I could at the job I held at that time and in the normal course of business I took extra care of a woman customer after closing and she called me a good christian for helping her. I was insulted, thats the very last thing I want to be called. I strive to be a good person no matter the circumstances. Religion be dammed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many years ago while doing the best I could at the job I held at that time and in the normal course of business I took extra care of a woman customer after closing and she called me a good christian for helping her. I was insulted, thats the very last thing I want to be called. I strive to be a good person no matter the circumstances. Religion be dammed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>InTheImageOfDNA: I don&#039;t care for Facebook&#039;s policies about privacy and user control of information. I think they&#039;re far too intrusive, particularly their Beacon system, which collects information about what you do on third-party sites and links it to your Facebook account without asking for consent.

Regarding Philip Pullman&#039;s books: I agree, I could have been more clear about that. If I gave the wrong impression, I apologize. The series isn&#039;t a condemnation of atheism - far from it! It&#039;s actually a ringing allegory for secular humanism. I highly recommend it; the movie didn&#039;t do it justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>InTheImageOfDNA: I don't care for Facebook's policies about privacy and user control of information. I think they're far too intrusive, particularly their Beacon system, which collects information about what you do on third-party sites and links it to your Facebook account without asking for consent.</p>
<p>Regarding Philip Pullman's books: I agree, I could have been more clear about that. If I gave the wrong impression, I apologize. The series isn't a condemnation of atheism - far from it! It's actually a ringing allegory for secular humanism. I highly recommend it; the movie didn't do it justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave K Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave K Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I.

You have mis-read his post.
 
You managed to read the whole thing twice? I enjoyed the first book. Didn&#039;t mind the 2nd. But with maybe 4 chapters left in the third, where you&#039;d think a trilogy would have you firmly in it&#039;s grip, I put it down months ago and haven&#039;t finished it yet. Maybe sometime. My problem is I have 4 or 5 books on the go at anytime and just pick up the one that&#039;s interesting me the most at any given moment. Probably not the best approach, but hey.

Regards
Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I.</p>
<p>You have mis-read his post.</p>
<p>You managed to read the whole thing twice? I enjoyed the first book. Didn't mind the 2nd. But with maybe 4 chapters left in the third, where you'd think a trilogy would have you firmly in it's grip, I put it down months ago and haven't finished it yet. Maybe sometime. My problem is I have 4 or 5 books on the go at anytime and just pick up the one that's interesting me the most at any given moment. Probably not the best approach, but hey.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Dave</p>
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		<title>By: I.</title>
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		<dc:creator>I.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only one other  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/ambassadors-for-atheism.html#comment-43708&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;poster&lt;/a&gt; brought up &lt;b&gt;Phillip Pullman&lt;/b&gt;&#039;s book. I&#039;ve read the whole trilogy twice (though the first time was years ago, when they first came out), and I never saw that part in the way you explained it. - I see how you can make the analogy &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; you take that quote &lt;i&gt;alone&lt;/i&gt;, without the rest of the book for context. 

Maybe that&#039;s what you intended (to just use the quote on its own, independently of the rest of the book), but your post makes it sound like the whole trilogy is anti-atheist, which it certainly is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; - just &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=golden+compass+atheism&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;google Golden Compass atheism&lt;/a&gt;: I think that religious groups were making a bigger fuss about these books than about Harry Potter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only one other  <a href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/ambassadors-for-atheism.html#comment-43708" title="" rel="nofollow">poster</a> brought up <b>Phillip Pullman</b>'s book. I've read the whole trilogy twice (though the first time was years ago, when they first came out), and I never saw that part in the way you explained it. - I see how you can make the analogy <i>if</i> you take that quote <i>alone</i>, without the rest of the book for context. </p>
<p>Maybe that's what you intended (to just use the quote on its own, independently of the rest of the book), but your post makes it sound like the whole trilogy is anti-atheist, which it certainly is <b>not</b> - just <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=golden+compass+atheism&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a" title="" rel="nofollow">google Golden Compass atheism</a>: I think that religious groups were making a bigger fuss about these books than about Harry Potter.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Cannonball Jones&quot;&gt;True but then you get accused of being &#039;militant&#039; or &#039;pushing your beliefs on people&#039;, it&#039;s a no-win situation!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve not had any problems like that IRL, although I frequently run across such accusations on the internets.  Oddly enough, most of the accusations are from fellow atheists who overuse the &quot;shoving beliefs down people&#039;s throats&quot; phrase.  They don&#039;t want Xians &quot;shoving Xianity down my throat&quot;, so they return the favor.  But what they really mean is that they don&#039;t want Xians telling them about Xianity, and they&#039;re willing to return the favor, and furthermore, they often look down on atheists who aren&#039;t so bothered by evangelism.  I don&#039;t use the phrase in such cavalier fashion; I think &quot;shoving...&quot; requires either some sort of coercion or harassment.  The vast majority of evangelism falls far short of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="Cannonball Jones"><p>True but then you get accused of being 'militant' or 'pushing your beliefs on people', it's a no-win situation!</p></blockquote>
<p>I've not had any problems like that IRL, although I frequently run across such accusations on the internets.  Oddly enough, most of the accusations are from fellow atheists who overuse the "shoving beliefs down people's throats" phrase.  They don't want Xians "shoving Xianity down my throat", so they return the favor.  But what they really mean is that they don't want Xians telling them about Xianity, and they're willing to return the favor, and furthermore, they often look down on atheists who aren't so bothered by evangelism.  I don't use the phrase in such cavalier fashion; I think "shoving..." requires either some sort of coercion or harassment.  The vast majority of evangelism falls far short of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Speaking of which - Adam / Ebon - I&#039;ve tried to find you on Facebook and can&#039;t.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Heh! I tried to find Adam on facebook too. I can only assume he doesn&#039;t like to be super-poked! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Speaking of which - Adam / Ebon - I've tried to find you on Facebook and can't.</p></blockquote>
<p> Heh! I tried to find Adam on facebook too. I can only assume he doesn't like to be super-poked! :)</p>
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		<title>By: InTheImageOfDNA</title>
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		<dc:creator>InTheImageOfDNA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David K,

I feel the same way.  On places like Facebook where I need to list my &quot;religious views&quot; I type &quot;metaphysical naturalism&quot; a la Richard Carrier for it only captures the entirety of rejection of the supernatural.

Speaking of which - Adam / Ebon - I&#039;ve tried to find you on Facebook and can&#039;t.  Is there a reason you aren&#039;t on there?  I think it may be a good way to spread your message.  PZ, Dawkins, Harris, and others are on there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David K,</p>
<p>I feel the same way.  On places like Facebook where I need to list my "religious views" I type "metaphysical naturalism" a la Richard Carrier for it only captures the entirety of rejection of the supernatural.</p>
<p>Speaking of which - Adam / Ebon - I've tried to find you on Facebook and can't.  Is there a reason you aren't on there?  I think it may be a good way to spread your message.  PZ, Dawkins, Harris, and others are on there.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am now simply &#039;not superstitious&#039;. &lt;/blockquote&gt; Bingo! That&#039;s actually the response I&#039;ve used for years when asked my religion. It demotes the big faiths to the same intellectual level as not walking under ladders and crossing your fingers. Exactly where they belong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am now simply 'not superstitious'. </p></blockquote>
<p> Bingo! That's actually the response I've used for years when asked my religion. It demotes the big faiths to the same intellectual level as not walking under ladders and crossing your fingers. Exactly where they belong.</p>
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