Comments on: The Miracle of Fatima http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:09:52 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Damien Brennan http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html#comment-69246 Damien Brennan Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:20:51 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=942#comment-69246 The fact is that for those who believe, no explanation is necessary, for those who do not, none is possible. The Miracle of the sun. Ah yes it is amusing how you have twisted the truth to suit your atheistic agenda. The FACT is that 70,ooo people, more or less did witness this miracle. First of all, yes of course even an ignorant fool would know that if you stare at the sun for long enough, strange things happen to your eyes. However this is not what happened at Fatima. The people present were not expecting a miracle of the sun, they were expecting a miracle. Many of them were not believers and simply attended to mock the visionaries. The people were only told that there would be a miracle. Now when the miracle began, everyone at around about the same time watched the sun (which did not hurt blind their eyes as normal) spin, change color, and "dance" in circular movements around the sky" it then turned blood red, and plunged down toward them increasing in size. There were screams and many of the people fell to the ground covering their faces in fear. Now I don't care about sun dogs, or whatever, or no matter how long I stare at the bloody sun THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN! Especially not to 70,000 people at the SAME TIME!!! And this WAS the testimony of thousands. If you did your research you would find that the Catholic church who do scrupulous research before authentication, interviewed thousands of people who witnessed the miracle, not a dozen as you claim. This was an amazing phenomenon and not something explainable by science, and to say it was because people were staring at the sun is just ridiculous! 70,000 PEOPLE DUH!!! Yes they were all imagining it, no even better it was because they all were staring at the sun for a prolonged time for no reason at all! Yes Lucia said "look" but when they looked they "saw" they did not keep staring thinking "mmm I don't see nothing, but ill just keep staring till my eyes burn out and then well all see the sun dance" LOL LOL Give people some credit, even the most devout believer or extremist isn't that stupid. And as for the ground instantly drying, and the clothes of the masses gathered, you say this was chinese whispers or here-say. Is this because you can't think of any other explanation? Fact is thousands said that the ground "instantly dried up" yes "instantly" from wet mud to dry powder in an instant!!! And you have also spoke of Legend, and it was so long ago. It was 1917!!! the titanic sunk in 1912, but they have made a film about it and there are many factual testimonies, yet Fatima is just an urban legend? Hypocrites. No one asks you to believe but how dare you discredit the many witnesses who know what they saw. Some of these people are still alive. Atheists expect us to believe that In the beginning there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing, until nothing exploded, and created everything. Then, the nothing that became everything magically rearranged itself for no reason into self-replicating complex life forms, that became intelligent beings that believed in God.Yet they have the audacity to call believers fools. Yes there are some individual nut jobs in all faiths, but Fatima was no illusion. It is you who are deluded. The fact is that for those who believe, no explanation is necessary, for those who do not, none is possible. The Miracle of the sun. Ah yes it is amusing how you have twisted the truth to suit your atheistic agenda. The FACT is that 70,ooo people, more or less did witness this miracle. First of all, yes of course even an ignorant fool would know that if you stare at the sun for long enough, strange things happen to your eyes. However this is not what happened at Fatima. The people present were not expecting a miracle of the sun, they were expecting a miracle. Many of them were not believers and simply attended to mock the visionaries. The people were only told that there would be a miracle. Now when the miracle began, everyone at around about the same time watched the sun (which did not hurt blind their eyes as normal) spin, change color, and "dance" in circular movements around the sky" it then turned blood red, and plunged down toward them increasing in size. There were screams and many of the people fell to the ground covering their faces in fear. Now I don't care about sun dogs, or whatever, or no matter how long I stare at the bloody sun THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN! Especially not to 70,000 people at the SAME TIME!!! And this WAS the testimony of thousands. If you did your research you would find that the Catholic church who do scrupulous research before authentication, interviewed thousands of people who witnessed the miracle, not a dozen as you claim. This was an amazing phenomenon and not something explainable by science, and to say it was because people were staring at the sun is just ridiculous! 70,000 PEOPLE DUH!!! Yes they were all imagining it, no even better it was because they all were staring at the sun for a prolonged time for no reason at all! Yes Lucia said "look" but when they looked they "saw" they did not keep staring thinking "mmm I don't see nothing, but ill just keep staring till my eyes burn out and then well all see the sun dance" LOL LOL Give people some credit, even the most devout believer or extremist isn't that stupid. And as for the ground instantly drying, and the clothes of the masses gathered, you say this was chinese whispers or here-say. Is this because you can't think of any other explanation? Fact is thousands said that the ground "instantly dried up" yes "instantly" from wet mud to dry powder in an instant!!! And you have also spoke of Legend, and it was so long ago. It was 1917!!! the titanic sunk in 1912, but they have made a film about it and there are many factual testimonies, yet Fatima is just an urban legend? Hypocrites. No one asks you to believe but how dare you discredit the many witnesses who know what they saw. Some of these people are still alive.
Atheists expect us to believe that In the beginning there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing, until nothing exploded, and created everything. Then, the nothing that became everything magically rearranged itself for no reason into self-replicating complex life forms, that became intelligent beings that believed in God.Yet they have the audacity to call believers fools. Yes there are some individual nut jobs in all faiths, but Fatima was no illusion. It is you who are deluded.

]]> By: jerry http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html#comment-63585 jerry Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:42:19 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=942#comment-63585 I find it hard to believe that I'm the only one that has read Dave's post that understood that "Most, if not all of those people were good athiest, like yourself." referred to the newspaper reporters, not the assembled crowd. It is totally obvious from the context. This reflects either dishonesty or poor observational powers. I find it hard to believe that I'm the only one that has read Dave's post that understood that "Most, if not all of those people were good athiest, like yourself." referred to the newspaper reporters, not the assembled crowd. It is totally obvious from the context. This reflects either dishonesty or poor observational powers.

]]> By: Quester http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html#comment-54637 Quester Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:00:25 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=942#comment-54637 The Portuguese newspapers reported this spining sun at Fatima in October 1917. The London Times and New York Times and a hundred other newspapers that had reporters covering the event made no mention of it other than that it had rained in the morning and the sun came out at noon. Two weeks later a Spanish tabloid El Tiempo reported a dozen people had seen the "miracle of the sun". Others then came forth claiming to have witnessed the miracle. The Portuguese newspapers reported this spining sun at Fatima in October 1917. The London Times and New York Times and a hundred other newspapers that had reporters covering the event made no mention of it other than that it had rained in the morning and the sun came out at noon. Two weeks later a Spanish tabloid El Tiempo reported a dozen people had seen the "miracle of the sun". Others then came forth claiming to have witnessed the miracle.

]]> By: Modusoperandi http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html#comment-52624 Modusoperandi Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:19:02 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=942#comment-52624 Paraphrased from the MadTV skit (I think), Idiots Anonymous (or maybe Stupid Anonymous): Blind Guy: "I used to spend hours and hours staring at the sun and, if there's one thing you taught me; don't." Paraphrased from the MadTV skit (I think), Idiots Anonymous (or maybe Stupid Anonymous):
Blind Guy: "I used to spend hours and hours staring at the sun and, if there's one thing you taught me; don't."

]]> By: Thumpalumpacus http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html#comment-52612 Thumpalumpacus Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:11:25 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=942#comment-52612 Wow, that gives new meaning to the term "blind faith". Wow, that gives new meaning to the term "blind faith".

]]> By: 2-D Man http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html#comment-52606 2-D Man Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:17:28 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=942#comment-52606 <blockquote>What is sad is that this world has turned so far from God, that He cannot penetrate the hearts of those sinners. </blockquote> So much for omnipotence.

What is sad is that this world has turned so far from God, that He cannot penetrate the hearts of those sinners.

So much for omnipotence.

]]> By: Peter N http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html#comment-52580 Peter N Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:43:06 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=942#comment-52580 Deb, Ebon is right. I couldn't resist pointing out that you had created an experiment that actually disproved your experience of a miracle, but this is serious. You wrote "I no longer need sunglasses because the sun has no effect upon my eyes", which strongly suggests that <i>you have already damaged your eyes by looking directly at the sun</i>. You've had your miracle, now please don't do it any more, and please seek medical attention. If there is a god, surely He doesn't demand that you injure yourself as proof of your faith. Deb,

Ebon is right. I couldn't resist pointing out that you had created an experiment that actually disproved your experience of a miracle, but this is serious. You wrote "I no longer need sunglasses because the sun has no effect upon my eyes", which strongly suggests that you have already damaged your eyes by looking directly at the sun. You've had your miracle, now please don't do it any more, and please seek medical attention. If there is a god, surely He doesn't demand that you injure yourself as proof of your faith.

]]> By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html#comment-52578 Ebonmuse Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:07:04 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=942#comment-52578 Deb, I strongly advise you visit an eye doctor as soon as possible to save whatever is left of your vision. Deb, I strongly advise you visit an eye doctor as soon as possible to save whatever is left of your vision.

]]> By: Peter N http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html#comment-52574 Peter N Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:20:56 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=942#comment-52574 Deb, <blockquote>For those who do not believe in God, his power, miracles or the supernatural, nothing anyone can say will convince them. It is futile to try. ... I was not a believer in God, nor Jesus as the son of God, nor any faith or respect in organized religions. That all changed within forty-eight hours in Medjugorje</blockquote> So God is powerful enough to change your heart, but too weak to change mine. Let me get this straight. You read about the time when a crowd of hopeful pilgrims, who were told there would be some miraculous manifestation of the Virgin Mary, gathered together, and when someone yelled, "Look at the sun!" they all did, and they saw strange tricks of the light. So you went out and tried it -- you stared at the sun for fifteen minutes, and as your retinas sizzled, you, too, saw strange things. And you have discovered that you can reproduce this experience at will, every time the sun is shining. Is that basically it? It seems to me you have proven that this is a predictable, natural phenomenon. No miracles involved. Hint: start learning to read Braille and using adaptive technology now, <i> before</i> you go blind. It will much easier in the long run. Deb,

For those who do not believe in God, his power, miracles or the supernatural, nothing anyone can say will convince them. It is futile to try. ...
I was not a believer in God, nor Jesus as the son of God, nor any faith or respect in organized religions. That all changed within forty-eight hours in Medjugorje

So God is powerful enough to change your heart, but too weak to change mine.

Let me get this straight. You read about the time when a crowd of hopeful pilgrims, who were told there would be some miraculous manifestation of the Virgin Mary, gathered together, and when someone yelled, "Look at the sun!" they all did, and they saw strange tricks of the light. So you went out and tried it -- you stared at the sun for fifteen minutes, and as your retinas sizzled, you, too, saw strange things. And you have discovered that you can reproduce this experience at will, every time the sun is shining. Is that basically it?

It seems to me you have proven that this is a predictable, natural phenomenon. No miracles involved.

Hint: start learning to read Braille and using adaptive technology now, before you go blind. It will much easier in the long run.

]]> By: Tommykey http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html#comment-52573 Tommykey Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:27:32 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=942#comment-52573 <em>Every soul will know the truth on their last day, but sadly, it will then be too late. May God have mercy.</em> Ah yes, the appeal to fear. "You better believe what I believe, or you'll be sorry someday!" Every soul will know the truth on their last day, but sadly, it will then be too late. May God have mercy.

Ah yes, the appeal to fear. "You better believe what I believe, or you'll be sorry someday!"

]]> By: Deb Brunsberg http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html#comment-52571 Deb Brunsberg Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:52:25 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=942#comment-52571 For those who do not believe in God, his power, miracles or the supernatural, nothing anyone can say will convince them. It is futile to try. I was not a believer in God, nor Jesus as the son of God, nor any faith or respect in organized religions. That all changed within forty-eight hours in Medjugorje, a place I did not want to go to, but was sent there. I witnessed the Miracle of the Sun after I laughed at a few people in my group I encountered who were looking at the sun. On a brilliant, sunny day, I stared at the sun for fifteen minutes while it spun and danced and threw out brilliant, beautiful colors. I had to leave because I was so overcome with what I was seeing. That was just the beginning of God revealing himself and his power to me. That was also two and a half years ago and every single day, I can stare at the sun, regardless of the time of day, as long as I want, and it will dance and spin and bounce and give me an incredible show of color that fills the sky. I no longer need sunglasses because the sun has no effect upon my eyes. The Miracle of the Sun is a gift. I know many people who experience this on a regular basis. It however is only a supernatural sign of God. He has blessed me with many more gifts since I first met him in 2007. The Lord walked me right into the Catholic Church and let me know that this was HIS Church and that my salvation was through the Holy Eucharist. My prayer is that the Lord will reveal himself to all sinners and unbelievers. I was like Thomas, I had to see to believe and the Miracle of the Sun was just the first thing I was allowed to see. What is sad is that this world has turned so far from God, that He cannot penetrate the hearts of those sinners. It is very frustrating to not just believe, but to KNOW that God exists and what his will is and not be able to give that to others. Only God can do that. Jesus said that to those that deny Him, He will deny to the Father. Every soul will know the truth on their last day, but sadly, it will then be too late. May God have mercy. For those who do not believe in God, his power, miracles or the supernatural, nothing anyone can say will convince them. It is futile to try.
I was not a believer in God, nor Jesus as the son of God, nor any faith or respect in organized religions. That all changed within forty-eight hours in Medjugorje, a place I did not want to go to, but was sent there. I witnessed the Miracle of the Sun after I laughed at a few people in my group I encountered who were looking at the sun. On a brilliant, sunny day, I stared at the sun for fifteen minutes while it spun and danced and threw out brilliant, beautiful colors. I had to leave because I was so overcome with what I was seeing. That was just the beginning of God revealing himself and his power to me. That was also two and a half years ago and every single day, I can stare at the sun, regardless of the time of day, as long as I want, and it will dance and spin and bounce and give me an incredible show of color that fills the sky. I no longer need sunglasses because the sun has no effect upon my eyes.

The Miracle of the Sun is a gift. I know many people who experience this on a regular basis. It however is only a supernatural sign of God. He has blessed me with many more gifts since I first met him in 2007. The Lord walked me right into the Catholic Church and let me know that this was HIS Church and that my salvation was through the Holy Eucharist. My prayer is that the Lord will reveal himself to all sinners and unbelievers. I was like Thomas, I had to see to believe and the Miracle of the Sun was just the first thing I was allowed to see.

What is sad is that this world has turned so far from God, that He cannot penetrate the hearts of those sinners. It is very frustrating to not just believe, but to KNOW that God exists and what his will is and not be able to give that to others. Only God can do that. Jesus said that to those that deny Him, He will deny to the Father. Every soul will know the truth on their last day, but sadly, it will then be too late. May God have mercy.

]]> By: Steve http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/01/the-miracle-of-fatima.html#comment-52258 Steve Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:36:51 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=942#comment-52258 When I was a young boy, and a budding astronomer, I stared at the sun during weather conditions much like those described at Fatima. At the time, I didn't know a damn thing about Fatima, but the sun did almost every one of the things described during the Fatima 'event' as miraculous: the sun appeared to move towards me, appeared to vibrate and change colors. My conclusion at that young an age? That if you stared at the sun during the right conditions it does some pretty cool things, which were actually an optical illusion anyone can replicate during the clearing of a rain storm. Had I been 'wiser', I could have founded a holy site, made a mint off the trinkets, and had the Vatican declare me a saint. What do I tell my young son now? God has already provided you with everything you need for salvation; you are Gods miracle; he does not need self serving Vatican pronouncements to talk to you: everything else is bagain basement histrionics. When I was a young boy, and a budding astronomer, I stared at the sun during weather conditions much like those described at Fatima.

At the time, I didn't know a damn thing about Fatima, but the sun did almost every one of the things described during the Fatima 'event' as miraculous: the sun appeared to move towards me, appeared to vibrate and change colors.

My conclusion at that young an age? That if you stared at the sun during the right conditions it does some pretty cool things, which were actually an optical illusion anyone can replicate during the clearing of a rain storm.

Had I been 'wiser', I could have founded a holy site, made a mint off the trinkets, and had the Vatican declare me a saint.

What do I tell my young son now? God has already provided you with everything you need for salvation; you are Gods miracle; he does not need self serving Vatican pronouncements to talk to you: everything else is bagain basement histrionics.

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