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		<title>By: OMGF</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/02/love-is-no-sin.html#comment-44388</link>
		<dc:creator>OMGF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with Mr. Shaw here.  &quot;Hundreds&quot; is way too small a number.  I rather doubt that any two people have the exact same version of religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with Mr. Shaw here.  "Hundreds" is way too small a number.  I rather doubt that any two people have the exact same version of religion.</p>
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		<title>By: pastfirst</title>
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		<dc:creator>pastfirst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many interesting comments on this site but I&#039;ve decided to keep mine short and sweet.
We are all created equal and basically all religions boil down to the same thing.
&quot;There is only one religion though there are a hundred versions of it&quot; - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1930)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many interesting comments on this site but I've decided to keep mine short and sweet.<br />
We are all created equal and basically all religions boil down to the same thing.<br />
"There is only one religion though there are a hundred versions of it" - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1930)</p>
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		<title>By: Leum</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/02/love-is-no-sin.html#comment-44376</link>
		<dc:creator>Leum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Israel there is an effective ban on interfaith marriage, because marital law is left to religious organizations. An Israeli marriage is only valid if a religious community approves it.

(Disclaimer: I am not an expert in Israeli law. If I am wrong, may I be corrected)

Here in the US, anyone calling for such a ban would be swiftly condemned and silenced by the religious right. They&#039;re argument against same-sex marriage requires that marriage &lt;i&gt;as it exists&lt;/i&gt; be protected. Hence the &quot;for centuries marriage between one man and one woman has been an unchanging worldwide institution&quot; spiel. 

This argument holds that anti-miscegenation laws and the like were but perversions of true marriage, the sort that now exists everywhere except in Godless communist states like Canada and Massachusetts.

Also, if they were to extend their anti-marriage biases beyond gays, they would alienate their supporters, many of whom are remarried, married to someone of another race or faith, or married to someone without their parents&#039; permission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Israel there is an effective ban on interfaith marriage, because marital law is left to religious organizations. An Israeli marriage is only valid if a religious community approves it.</p>
<p>(Disclaimer: I am not an expert in Israeli law. If I am wrong, may I be corrected)</p>
<p>Here in the US, anyone calling for such a ban would be swiftly condemned and silenced by the religious right. They're argument against same-sex marriage requires that marriage <i>as it exists</i> be protected. Hence the "for centuries marriage between one man and one woman has been an unchanging worldwide institution" spiel. </p>
<p>This argument holds that anti-miscegenation laws and the like were but perversions of true marriage, the sort that now exists everywhere except in Godless communist states like Canada and Massachusetts.</p>
<p>Also, if they were to extend their anti-marriage biases beyond gays, they would alienate their supporters, many of whom are remarried, married to someone of another race or faith, or married to someone without their parents' permission.</p>
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		<title>By: RollingStone</title>
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		<dc:creator>RollingStone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that there is no major political movement to ban interfaith marriages, as there is with same-sex marriages. Both are based on cherry-picked Bible verses as &quot;evidence&quot;; I don&#039;t see how one random verse is more important than the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that there is no major political movement to ban interfaith marriages, as there is with same-sex marriages. Both are based on cherry-picked Bible verses as "evidence"; I don't see how one random verse is more important than the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Weaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Did anyone else catch cl saying this?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Are skepticism and freethought about truth-seeking? Or truth-telling? I say we should be about truth-seeking.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

[emphasis mine]
What? Since when does irrational belief in god equate to &quot;skepticism and freethought?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not entirely positive what it is cl&#039;s saying here, but my observation has been that attempting to muddy the waters and/or poison the well by dishonestly conflating &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; expression or display of confidence in ones opinions, derived from any source, for any reason, with &quot;blind belief,&quot; seems to be a favorite tactic of theists, in particular the moderate and liberal ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Did anyone else catch cl saying this?</p>
<blockquote><p>Are skepticism and freethought about truth-seeking? Or truth-telling? I say we should be about truth-seeking.</p></blockquote>
<p>[emphasis mine]<br />
What? Since when does irrational belief in god equate to "skepticism and freethought?"</p></blockquote>
<p>Not entirely positive what it is cl's saying here, but my observation has been that attempting to muddy the waters and/or poison the well by dishonestly conflating <i>any</i> expression or display of confidence in ones opinions, derived from any source, for any reason, with "blind belief," seems to be a favorite tactic of theists, in particular the moderate and liberal ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/02/love-is-no-sin.html#comment-44359</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is coming off as an indictment of you personally, and by extension, all the other atheists here, which was not my intention in the least.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, okay. No problem - sorry for the misunderstanding.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder why a Muslim woman is asking an atheist for advice on this subject.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was surprised by that as well. According to her e-mail, she sought me out because her boyfriend was an atheist, and she was looking for advice on how to talk to him about the subject without offending him or seeming disrespectful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is coming off as an indictment of you personally, and by extension, all the other atheists here, which was not my intention in the least.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, okay. No problem - sorry for the misunderstanding.</p>
<blockquote><p>I wonder why a Muslim woman is asking an atheist for advice on this subject.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was surprised by that as well. According to her e-mail, she sought me out because her boyfriend was an atheist, and she was looking for advice on how to talk to him about the subject without offending him or seeming disrespectful.</p>
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		<title>By: SuperHappyJen</title>
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		<dc:creator>SuperHappyJen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why a Muslim woman is asking an atheist for advice on this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why a Muslim woman is asking an atheist for advice on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: OMGF</title>
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		<dc:creator>OMGF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone else catch cl saying this?
&lt;blockquote&gt;Are skepticism and freethought about truth-seeking? Or truth-telling? I say &lt;strong&gt;we&lt;/strong&gt; should be about truth-seeking.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
[emphasis mine]
What?  Since when does irrational belief in god equate to &quot;skepticism and freethought?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else catch cl saying this?</p>
<blockquote><p>Are skepticism and freethought about truth-seeking? Or truth-telling? I say <strong>we</strong> should be about truth-seeking.</p></blockquote>
<p>[emphasis mine]<br />
What?  Since when does irrational belief in god equate to "skepticism and freethought?"</p>
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		<title>By: MS Quixote</title>
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		<dc:creator>MS Quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I certainly hope I&#039;ve never said such a thing - it&#039;s not at all what I believe. If you can find a citation, though, I&#039;d be glad to acknowledge my error and retract those words.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whoa, hang on. This is coming off as an indictment of you personally, and by extension, all the other atheists here, which was not my intention in the least. Y&#039;all are OK by me, as evidenced by your comment above, and if not, I would have expressed it directly way before now, or simply not come by here at all. No retractions or acknowledgments necessary. As I read my own words again, I see clearly how you might reach that conclusion. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Make no mistake, I deplore the way that religious beliefs cause people to disagree&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We do too, at least many of us, but it appears to us to be a human condition, not a specifically religious one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I certainly hope I've never said such a thing - it's not at all what I believe. If you can find a citation, though, I'd be glad to acknowledge my error and retract those words.</p></blockquote>
<p>Whoa, hang on. This is coming off as an indictment of you personally, and by extension, all the other atheists here, which was not my intention in the least. Y'all are OK by me, as evidenced by your comment above, and if not, I would have expressed it directly way before now, or simply not come by here at all. No retractions or acknowledgments necessary. As I read my own words again, I see clearly how you might reach that conclusion. </p>
<blockquote><p>Make no mistake, I deplore the way that religious beliefs cause people to disagree</p></blockquote>
<p>We do too, at least many of us, but it appears to us to be a human condition, not a specifically religious one.</p>
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		<title>By: Boudicca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boudicca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 03:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That particular passage was used against me when I first started dating my husband.  I was shocked, hurt and very insulted and said more than a few unkind things about my future in-laws to my husband.  I complained to my mom and was very surprised that she took their side - sort of.  
She pointed out that we potentially had very different thoughts on life and how it should be lived.  And while we might get along great right now, it would be awful to get married, have kids and THEN find out we had radically different ideas on how they should be raised (for one example).  
So fairly early on, my (future) husband and I discussed our life philosophies, ethics, wants, and expectations.  It lead to more than a few heated discussions but ultimately we found that we were pretty much on the same page for the big stuff.  This had some very useful side effects.  Firstly, it definately sped up my husband&#039;s deconversion (fundie Christian to agnostic).  Secondly, it brought us much closer together and gave him the strength and conviction to stand up to his parents.  Which brings us to the third benefit of his parents being more cautious about trying to convert me at the beginning and eventually stopping altogether.  Now we&#039;re &quot;equally yoked&quot; since we&#039;re both unbelievers, so I guess his parents got their wish - ha!

While I obviously don&#039;t agree with the &quot;unequally yoked&quot; BS, I do think that interfaith marriages have the potential to cause a lot of strife.  Better to examine the potential problem sooner rather than later so you don&#039;t wind up wasting your time or worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That particular passage was used against me when I first started dating my husband.  I was shocked, hurt and very insulted and said more than a few unkind things about my future in-laws to my husband.  I complained to my mom and was very surprised that she took their side - sort of.<br />
She pointed out that we potentially had very different thoughts on life and how it should be lived.  And while we might get along great right now, it would be awful to get married, have kids and THEN find out we had radically different ideas on how they should be raised (for one example).<br />
So fairly early on, my (future) husband and I discussed our life philosophies, ethics, wants, and expectations.  It lead to more than a few heated discussions but ultimately we found that we were pretty much on the same page for the big stuff.  This had some very useful side effects.  Firstly, it definately sped up my husband's deconversion (fundie Christian to agnostic).  Secondly, it brought us much closer together and gave him the strength and conviction to stand up to his parents.  Which brings us to the third benefit of his parents being more cautious about trying to convert me at the beginning and eventually stopping altogether.  Now we're "equally yoked" since we're both unbelievers, so I guess his parents got their wish - ha!</p>
<p>While I obviously don't agree with the "unequally yoked" BS, I do think that interfaith marriages have the potential to cause a lot of strife.  Better to examine the potential problem sooner rather than later so you don't wind up wasting your time or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Weaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the most irritating parts of relationships with most theists - friendships as well as romantic relationships - is the double-standards.  While they&#039;re usually happy to expound on what they believe, they tend to consider everything beyond &quot;I don&#039;t agree&quot; as a personal attack, down to and including &quot;...and here&#039;s why:&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most irritating parts of relationships with most theists - friendships as well as romantic relationships - is the double-standards.  While they're usually happy to expound on what they believe, they tend to consider everything beyond "I don't agree" as a personal attack, down to and including "...and here's why:"</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Quixote,

&lt;blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m also a bit confused when I conceive of this post from your perspective. I can&#039;t remember the exact words, but I think you&#039;ve mentioned previously that those who believe in the supernatural are anywhere along a range from deluded, ignorant, brainwashed, or stupid. If this is the case, I would think it would be difficult for you to respect a life partner you thought of in this manner, and, of course, they would be well aware of this for obvious reasons:)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I certainly hope I&#039;ve never said such a thing - it&#039;s not at all what I believe. If you can find a citation, though, I&#039;d be glad to acknowledge my error and retract those words.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Nevertheless, I think your post holds true for those of marginal faith; those who really don&#039;t care all that much one way or the other. But for relationships where one partner is genuinely committed to the faith, there&#039;s serious issues to consider. How would you respond to your partner believing that y&#039;all should tithe 10% of your earnings? Would you feel alienated by their attendance at Church every Sunday morning, plus perhaps a night or two during the week? What about children? The list goes on and on, and the problems accentuate as the honeymoon period recedes into the past.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, I don&#039;t deny that it can be a problem. (Some of those things more than others: I wouldn&#039;t object to my partner attending church as often as she likes, for example, so long as she didn&#039;t expect me to accompany her every time [and I similarly wouldn&#039;t expect her to accompany me to an atheist book club!]. Children are more of a difficulty, though I think allowing each parent equal time to teach children about their own beliefs is a workable compromise. Again, the existence of mutual respect is the most important factor.) 

Make no mistake, I deplore the way that religious beliefs cause people to disagree over matters that are entirely unverifiable, thus creating potential for conflict where it would not otherwise exist. I think those obstacles can often be overcome, if both partners are committed to doing so, although I wish those obstacles didn&#039;t exist in the first place. 

But what I object to most of all is the teaching that dating outside the faith is a &lt;i&gt;sin&lt;/i&gt;. I most strongly condemn the religious authorities who would put in place blanket prohibitions on interfaith relationships for members of their flock. The problems that can arise in such relationships are real and serious, but I think that whether the couple wants to deal with them should be their choice to make, not the decision of outsiders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Quixote,</p>
<blockquote><p>
I'm also a bit confused when I conceive of this post from your perspective. I can't remember the exact words, but I think you've mentioned previously that those who believe in the supernatural are anywhere along a range from deluded, ignorant, brainwashed, or stupid. If this is the case, I would think it would be difficult for you to respect a life partner you thought of in this manner, and, of course, they would be well aware of this for obvious reasons:)
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<p>I certainly hope I've never said such a thing - it's not at all what I believe. If you can find a citation, though, I'd be glad to acknowledge my error and retract those words.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Nevertheless, I think your post holds true for those of marginal faith; those who really don't care all that much one way or the other. But for relationships where one partner is genuinely committed to the faith, there's serious issues to consider. How would you respond to your partner believing that y'all should tithe 10% of your earnings? Would you feel alienated by their attendance at Church every Sunday morning, plus perhaps a night or two during the week? What about children? The list goes on and on, and the problems accentuate as the honeymoon period recedes into the past.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, I don't deny that it can be a problem. (Some of those things more than others: I wouldn't object to my partner attending church as often as she likes, for example, so long as she didn't expect me to accompany her every time [and I similarly wouldn't expect her to accompany me to an atheist book club!]. Children are more of a difficulty, though I think allowing each parent equal time to teach children about their own beliefs is a workable compromise. Again, the existence of mutual respect is the most important factor.) </p>
<p>Make no mistake, I deplore the way that religious beliefs cause people to disagree over matters that are entirely unverifiable, thus creating potential for conflict where it would not otherwise exist. I think those obstacles can often be overcome, if both partners are committed to doing so, although I wish those obstacles didn't exist in the first place. </p>
<p>But what I object to most of all is the teaching that dating outside the faith is a <i>sin</i>. I most strongly condemn the religious authorities who would put in place blanket prohibitions on interfaith relationships for members of their flock. The problems that can arise in such relationships are real and serious, but I think that whether the couple wants to deal with them should be their choice to make, not the decision of outsiders.</p>
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