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	<title>Comments on: How to Think Critically: Memory &amp; Confabulation</title>
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		<title>By: Daylight Atheism &#62; The Language of God: Truth Seekers</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/03/how-to-think-critically-x.html#comment-65416</link>
		<dc:creator>Daylight Atheism &#62; The Language of God: Truth Seekers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 10:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] testimony of eyewitnesses is on incredibly shaky ground. You&#039;ve probably all seen this video of kids - some in white t-shirts and some in black t-shirts, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Who is in control here? - ADISC.org</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/03/how-to-think-critically-x.html#comment-56826</link>
		<dc:creator>Who is in control here? - ADISC.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 15:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] take more than ONE day to clean the house!) so the best laid plans of mice and men go oft awry...  The brain is also notoriously inaccurate when it comes to explaining the flow of consciousness, as it were. The brain craves a single [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Malone</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/03/how-to-think-critically-x.html#comment-45445</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Lee - 

Your second paragraph reminds me of the following quotation:

&quot;Memory never recaptures reality. Memory reconstructs. All reconstructions change the original, becoming external frames of reference that inevitably fall short.&quot;

- Mentat Handbook, in &lt;i&gt;Heretics of Dune&lt;/i&gt; by Frank Herbert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Lee - </p>
<p>Your second paragraph reminds me of the following quotation:</p>
<p>"Memory never recaptures reality. Memory reconstructs. All reconstructions change the original, becoming external frames of reference that inevitably fall short."</p>
<p>- Mentat Handbook, in <i>Heretics of Dune</i> by Frank Herbert</p>
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		<title>By: Shu Fen</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/03/how-to-think-critically-x.html#comment-45412</link>
		<dc:creator>Shu Fen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi ^^ first time dropping by :D

loved your articles!

i&#039;m an agnostic/atheist too :]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi ^^ first time dropping by :D</p>
<p>loved your articles!</p>
<p>i'm an agnostic/atheist too :]</p>
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		<title>By: Ubi Dubium</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/03/how-to-think-critically-x.html#comment-45398</link>
		<dc:creator>Ubi Dubium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anecdote: I remembered for decades that the crow in Disney&#039;s animated Sleeping Beauty flew through the puffs of pink and blue and himself turned colors. Imagine my amazement when I finally saw the thing on tape and that scene was not in it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think I know where that memory came from.  I remember having a Disney storybook in my childhood that was illustrated with scenes and concept art from Sleeping Beauty, and &lt;i&gt;it&lt;/i&gt; had the crow being turned pink and blue.  When trying to reach back so many years for memories of seeing the movie, it&#039;s really easy to get memories of that companion book mixed in with it.  I think this is a good example of Ebon&#039;s original premise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anecdote: I remembered for decades that the crow in Disney's animated Sleeping Beauty flew through the puffs of pink and blue and himself turned colors. Imagine my amazement when I finally saw the thing on tape and that scene was not in it.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think I know where that memory came from.  I remember having a Disney storybook in my childhood that was illustrated with scenes and concept art from Sleeping Beauty, and <i>it</i> had the crow being turned pink and blue.  When trying to reach back so many years for memories of seeing the movie, it's really easy to get memories of that companion book mixed in with it.  I think this is a good example of Ebon's original premise.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a juror I&#039;d give more weight to circumstantial evidence than to eyewitness accounts. I was a jury foreman in a local celebrity assault/theft case. Turned out witness testimony made it seem plausible that the defendant hit and kicked the complaining witness mostly in self defense, so we all agreed to acquit on the assault.

The other jurors were very quick to convict on a lesser theft charge than the prosecution wanted, but I balked at this. I argued that the jury instructions defining theft gave us six necessary conditions for an action to count as theft, and that if we had reasonable doubts about any of these conditions, we should aquit. Other jurors balked, but one juror who was a lawyer propped me up. I actually wanted to convict on that lesser theft charge myself, but I didn&#039;t want to convict unless each of the other jurors was able to overcome my counter arguments.

Two things I learned from this trial:

1. If you&#039;re the victim of a crime, file a report as soon as possible. Get pictures, take badge numbers. A jury will not believe you if you dawdle.

2. If you think you will be accused of a crime; DO NOT COOPERATE WITH AUTHORITIES. SAY NOTHING. DO NOT CONSENT TO BEING TAPED. GET REPRESENTATION AND SAY NOTHING. DO NOT COUNT ON YOUR SMARTS OR KNOWLEDGE OF THE LAW TO SAVE YOU. Defendant in my case was a judge talked on tape with two detectives and screwed herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a juror I'd give more weight to circumstantial evidence than to eyewitness accounts. I was a jury foreman in a local celebrity assault/theft case. Turned out witness testimony made it seem plausible that the defendant hit and kicked the complaining witness mostly in self defense, so we all agreed to acquit on the assault.</p>
<p>The other jurors were very quick to convict on a lesser theft charge than the prosecution wanted, but I balked at this. I argued that the jury instructions defining theft gave us six necessary conditions for an action to count as theft, and that if we had reasonable doubts about any of these conditions, we should aquit. Other jurors balked, but one juror who was a lawyer propped me up. I actually wanted to convict on that lesser theft charge myself, but I didn't want to convict unless each of the other jurors was able to overcome my counter arguments.</p>
<p>Two things I learned from this trial:</p>
<p>1. If you're the victim of a crime, file a report as soon as possible. Get pictures, take badge numbers. A jury will not believe you if you dawdle.</p>
<p>2. If you think you will be accused of a crime; DO NOT COOPERATE WITH AUTHORITIES. SAY NOTHING. DO NOT CONSENT TO BEING TAPED. GET REPRESENTATION AND SAY NOTHING. DO NOT COUNT ON YOUR SMARTS OR KNOWLEDGE OF THE LAW TO SAVE YOU. Defendant in my case was a judge talked on tape with two detectives and screwed herself.</p>
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		<title>By: Quidam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quidam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rather suspect that the  RCMP officers would pass a lie detector test.  I think they have persuaded themselves of a false version of events.  When presented with the evidence of the film they say things like &quot;I know that&#039;s what the video seems to show but that&#039;s not what happened&quot;.  When you replay the event in your mind it gets translated into a more flattering memory and in this case the video is a cognitive dissonance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rather suspect that the  RCMP officers would pass a lie detector test.  I think they have persuaded themselves of a false version of events.  When presented with the evidence of the film they say things like "I know that's what the video seems to show but that's not what happened".  When you replay the event in your mind it gets translated into a more flattering memory and in this case the video is a cognitive dissonance.</p>
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		<title>By: Aly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, just yesterday I saw a Scientific American Frontiers show (with Alan Alda--I love that guy!) on PBS that mentioned, among other things, the fallibility of memory. Alda was taken to watch two people having a picnic, and was later shown pictures of things that may or may not have happened at the picnic. Afterward, he was asked whether things (such as the girl filing her nails) actually occurred. He was surprised to find how often he was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, just yesterday I saw a Scientific American Frontiers show (with Alan Alda--I love that guy!) on PBS that mentioned, among other things, the fallibility of memory. Alda was taken to watch two people having a picnic, and was later shown pictures of things that may or may not have happened at the picnic. Afterward, he was asked whether things (such as the girl filing her nails) actually occurred. He was surprised to find how often he was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ridger</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ridger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The RMCP account is of course a different problem. Eyewitnesses can lie, but that&#039;s not a memory problem. 

Who was it said that &quot;Eyewitnesses may lie or be mistaken, but circumstantial evidence does neither&quot;? Of course, it can be misinterpreted. Nothing&#039;s perfect.

But Ebon&#039;s right in that we tend to place a lot of credence in our memories. Anecdote: I remembered for decades that the crow in Disney&#039;s animated Sleeping Beauty flew through the puffs of pink and blue and himself turned colors. Imagine my amazement when I finally saw the thing on tape and that scene was not in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The RMCP account is of course a different problem. Eyewitnesses can lie, but that's not a memory problem. </p>
<p>Who was it said that "Eyewitnesses may lie or be mistaken, but circumstantial evidence does neither"? Of course, it can be misinterpreted. Nothing's perfect.</p>
<p>But Ebon's right in that we tend to place a lot of credence in our memories. Anecdote: I remembered for decades that the crow in Disney's animated Sleeping Beauty flew through the puffs of pink and blue and himself turned colors. Imagine my amazement when I finally saw the thing on tape and that scene was not in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Quidam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quidam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an interesting case currently under investigation.  http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/609874

Several RCMP officers gave evidence about how Robert Dziekanski was subdued with a Taser and subsequently died at Vancouver Airport.  Their evidence was reasonable and consistent with each other.  Except that it was all contradicted by an amateur video that the officers were not aware of until after they had given their depositions.  

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Broken+RCMP+needs+overhaul/1439030/story.html
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The video contradicts all four officers&#039; earlier statements and clearly shows Dziekanski did not need to be Tasered five times to be brought under control.He was being Tasered even while already on the floor, moaning in pain. He was no threat to anyone, never mind to the four healthy RCMP officers who carried guns and wore body armour.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Without the video their eye-witness account would have prevailed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an interesting case currently under investigation.  <a href="http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/609874" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/609874</a></p>
<p>Several RCMP officers gave evidence about how Robert Dziekanski was subdued with a Taser and subsequently died at Vancouver Airport.  Their evidence was reasonable and consistent with each other.  Except that it was all contradicted by an amateur video that the officers were not aware of until after they had given their depositions.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.calgaryherald.com/Broken+RCMP+needs+overhaul/1439030/story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.calgaryherald.com/Broken+RCMP+needs+overhaul/1439030/story.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
The video contradicts all four officers' earlier statements and clearly shows Dziekanski did not need to be Tasered five times to be brought under control.He was being Tasered even while already on the floor, moaning in pain. He was no threat to anyone, never mind to the four healthy RCMP officers who carried guns and wore body armour.</p></blockquote>
<p>Without the video their eye-witness account would have prevailed.</p>
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		<title>By: valhar2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>valhar2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, of course you will remember certain things very well, from where you went to high school to where you left your keys this morning; human memory cannot be completely reliable, but it does have to be good enough, or only tend to fail in certain conditions, or else it would not have evolved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, of course you will remember certain things very well, from where you went to high school to where you left your keys this morning; human memory cannot be completely reliable, but it does have to be good enough, or only tend to fail in certain conditions, or else it would not have evolved.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew A,</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew A,</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;John Nernoff&quot;&gt;I KNOW irrefutably that I went to a certain high school, a certain college and a certain medical school no matter how far removed in time or how many times I reconstruct those facts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The key difference between knowing what school you went to, and remembering an event, is that you didn&#039;t just go to any of those schools just once. You went to each of them several hundred times at least. If you were to directly experience an event hundreds of times, the memory would likely last a lifetime, and remain accurate in that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="John Nernoff"><p>I KNOW irrefutably that I went to a certain high school, a certain college and a certain medical school no matter how far removed in time or how many times I reconstruct those facts.</p></blockquote>
<p>The key difference between knowing what school you went to, and remembering an event, is that you didn't just go to any of those schools just once. You went to each of them several hundred times at least. If you were to directly experience an event hundreds of times, the memory would likely last a lifetime, and remain accurate in that time.</p>
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