Comments on: Congratulations, Iowa! http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION. Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:09:52 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Samuel Skinner http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html#comment-45788 Samuel Skinner Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:41:41 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=994#comment-45788 Oh, and I got it from here- wouldn't want to plagerize.: https://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=133240&p=3060131#p3060131 Oh, and I got it from here- wouldn't want to plagerize.:
https://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=133240&p=3060131#p3060131

]]> By: Samuel Skinner http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html#comment-45787 Samuel Skinner Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:40:00 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=994#comment-45787 From a useful source: "Somewhat on a tangent to the current thrust of the thread, but if anyone ever needs to smack down someone who whines about "legislating from the bench" (which is what this sort of thing always casues to happen), here's a study of what the term "legislating from the bench" actually means (PDF) by Bruce G. Peabody. http://www.lclark.edu/org/lclr/objects/LCB_11_1_Peabody.pdf It also has conveniently outlined that recently it's been conservatives mainly and there is trend for the Republicans to bleat about this whenever something doesn't go the way the troglodytes want. So if anyone asks about studies or says "that's not what I meant", that document has enough explosives to utterly flatten any objection they may want to raise. And it actually goes a bit further than that, stating that due to the nature of the judiciary, precedent creation and a certain amount of legislating from the bench is not only inevitable, but necessary and desirable." From a useful source:
"Somewhat on a tangent to the current thrust of the thread, but if anyone ever needs to smack down someone who whines about "legislating from the bench" (which is what this sort of thing always casues to happen), here's a study of what the term "legislating from the bench" actually means (PDF) by Bruce G. Peabody.

http://www.lclark.edu/org/lclr/objects/LCB_11_1_Peabody.pdf

It also has conveniently outlined that recently it's been conservatives mainly and there is trend for the Republicans to bleat about this whenever something doesn't go the way the troglodytes want. So if anyone asks about studies or says "that's not what I meant", that document has enough explosives to utterly flatten any objection they may want to raise.

And it actually goes a bit further than that, stating that due to the nature of the judiciary, precedent creation and a certain amount of legislating from the bench is not only inevitable, but necessary and desirable."

]]> By: OMGF http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html#comment-45710 OMGF Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:20:58 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=994#comment-45710 I think Ridger was expanding on the women wearing pants idea? I think Ridger was expanding on the women wearing pants idea?

]]> By: Alex, FCD http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html#comment-45708 Alex, FCD Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:09:55 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=994#comment-45708 Ridger: <blockquote>You don't see meaning of these folks refraining from bacon or ham, either.</blockquote> Gay people? Iowans? Vermonters? Wrong thread? Ridger:

You don't see meaning of these folks refraining from bacon or ham, either.

Gay people? Iowans? Vermonters? Wrong thread?

]]> By: The Ridger http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html#comment-45669 The Ridger Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:53:16 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=994#comment-45669 You don't see meaning of these folks refraining from bacon or ham, either. You don't see meaning of these folks refraining from bacon or ham, either.

]]> By: Eric http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html#comment-45665 Eric Wed, 08 Apr 2009 07:13:57 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=994#comment-45665 Way to go Iowa and Vermont. Way to go Iowa and Vermont.

]]> By: vjack http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html#comment-45661 vjack Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:04:32 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=994#comment-45661 Vermont is starting to sound pretty damn good. Vermont is starting to sound pretty damn good.

]]> By: Christopher http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html#comment-45657 Christopher Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:48:43 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=994#comment-45657 <blockquote>Rights for gays and rights for Christians are not a zero-sum game.</blockquote> Oh, but they are - if one expands the definition of "right" to include "forcing ones mores and values down some one else's throat."

Rights for gays and rights for Christians are not a zero-sum game.

Oh, but they are - if one expands the definition of "right" to include "forcing ones mores and values down some one else's throat."

]]> By: Ebonmuse http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html#comment-45655 Ebonmuse Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:45:21 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=994#comment-45655 As Reginald noted, <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hesb4aHbI1j_7LkIVzStq6u_hqbgD97DNOIO2" rel="nofollow">Vermont passed a marriage-equality bill today</a>, over the governor's veto. I defy anyone to read a story like this one and not get a little misty: <blockquote> Among the celebrants in the lobby were former Rep. Robert Dostis, D-Waterbury, and his longtime partner, Chuck Kletecka. Dostis recalled efforts to expand gay rights dating to an anti-discrimination law passed in 1992. "It's been a very long battle. It's been almost 20 years to get to this point," Dostis said. "I think finally, most people in Vermont understand that we're a couple like any other couple. We're as good and as bad as any other group of people. And now I think we have a chance to prove ourselves here on forward that we're good members of our community." Dostis said he and Kletecka will celebrate their 25th year together in September. "Is that a proposal?" Kletecka asked. "Yeah," Dostis replied. "Twenty-five years together, I think it's time we finally got married." </blockquote> As Reginald noted, Vermont passed a marriage-equality bill today, over the governor's veto. I defy anyone to read a story like this one and not get a little misty:

Among the celebrants in the lobby were former Rep. Robert Dostis, D-Waterbury, and his longtime partner, Chuck Kletecka. Dostis recalled efforts to expand gay rights dating to an anti-discrimination law passed in 1992.

"It's been a very long battle. It's been almost 20 years to get to this point," Dostis said. "I think finally, most people in Vermont understand that we're a couple like any other couple. We're as good and as bad as any other group of people. And now I think we have a chance to prove ourselves here on forward that we're good members of our community."

Dostis said he and Kletecka will celebrate their 25th year together in September.

"Is that a proposal?" Kletecka asked.

"Yeah," Dostis replied. "Twenty-five years together, I think it's time we finally got married."

]]> By: Leum http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html#comment-45654 Leum Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:00:02 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=994#comment-45654 Does anyone know if there's a plan out there for states with constitutional amendments against gay marriage? My state's got one so we can hardly wait for our court to strike it down. Does anyone know if there's a plan out there for states with constitutional amendments against gay marriage? My state's got one so we can hardly wait for our court to strike it down.

]]> By: Reginald Selkirk http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html#comment-45649 Reginald Selkirk Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:21:58 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=994#comment-45649 <a href="http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=10143110&nav=menu183_4_21" rel="nofollow">Vermont Legalizes Gay Marriage</a> Vermont Legalizes Gay Marriage

]]> By: penn http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/04/congratulations-iowa.html#comment-45639 penn Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:27:58 +0000 http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=994#comment-45639 We should never forget and frequently remind others that the religious right was originally formed to push back against school integration. These people are bigots to the core, and they are afraid they will rightly look like the hateful kooks they are for hating gays and lesbians. We should never forget and frequently remind others that the religious right was originally formed to push back against school integration. These people are bigots to the core, and they are afraid they will rightly look like the hateful kooks they are for hating gays and lesbians.

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