http://sites.google.com/site/hkscienceeducation/

Our Facebook group mentioned in this site was formed back in Feb 2009, with me as the spokesperson. We already submitted a series of papers to our local legislature (LegCo, the Legislative Council of Hong Kong, Panel on Education)

The Creationism/ID proponents remained hidden from the radar screen until they responded with this must read: http://sites.google.com/site/hkscienceeducation/file-archive/edcb2-1499-1-e.pdf?attredirects=0

You will find all of this so familiar!!!

They pour all their efforts and money into PR and legistlation! Do they really think that science is decided by a popular vote? Do they think the scientists have a big ecumentical council and vote on what people are supposed to believe about reality? Do they really think that by popular vote or legislation they can change the fact that people starve if they have no food to eat and freeze in winter if they have no warm clothes and heat? If we just all voted a law that cancer no longer exists, then cancer will go away?

Well, that's how their own faith has worked from the start, so they can't imagine that there is any other way. Which is hard for me, because to read their apologetics one might think they are the most imaginative people ever!

And these tend to be the types that think everyone who disagrees with them secretly agrees but doesn't want to admit it. Muslims don't believe in Allah because they find the Koran compelling, atheists don't disbelieve in any god because they dont' see any evidence, scientists don't accept the ToE because of the vast array of reliable evidence from multiple fields, and so on and so forth....no, we're all just Denying Christ just to piss them off, because we all know they are right and we just don't want to admit it for whatever reason. It's All About Them--they simply can't conceive of the idea that someone could disagree with them because they honestly disagree. That would take away from their claims of having the "obvious" Truth (tm)!

And I'm told I'm an atheist due to my "arrogance". Yeah, there's nothing more arrogant than NOT believing the universe was created for you and revolves around even the tiniest events in your life, and that the aspects of Other People's lives that you don't like (gayness, atheism, inconvenient scientific evidence) is confirmation that They Are All Against You--or that some Big Cosmic Evil is Against You. Or both. Yes, I can see how arrogant it is to not believe those things. *pfft*

Know what's great about Dover? I loved how the guy who was the origniator of the idea saying the community had been so "good" to him that he wanted to "give something back". Hey, you guys have been great, let me make it up to you by undermining your kids' education and turning them into a horde of fanatical reality-denying Christtards! You deserve it! And if you keep it up, I might even be able to help you get them into Liberty University!

If anyone is interested in reading more about the Dover trial, I read 40 Days and 40 Nights a few months ago....

There's also "Monkey Girl" by Edward Humes (I may have the author's name incorrect, but I know the title is right), which I read about a year ago---wonderful account of the entire episode.

When I read it, I remember thinking that you couldn't have made up a crazier cast of characters for any fictional novel if you tried---and these were real people.

Good point. They could do some actual research, and get it published in real peer-reviewed scientific journals. Or better yet, get some actual, practical results. If they could find a cure for a disease using ID principles, they could convince people without even bothering with those dogmatic Darwinists.

Or, more likely, they could put on a dog and pony show:

Upcoming Event: Grill the ID Scientist, 9 June 2009, University of Pittsburgh

This gem (see link in #8) might not be directly related to the topic, but I think its worth noting, as it perfectly illustrates the mind set of the ID movement. This "biologist" wrote that "reason is the Devils greatest whore".

"As to the "whore of reason", this does not apply to the area of science or medicine, etc. There, the use of reason is completely appropriate. The reformation greatly changed the world for greater education, possibilities for protest, dissemination of information, encouragement of reading for understanding by people of all stations, etc."

So, there are areas of inquiry where reason is NOT appropriate? Of course- when it doesn't agree with the bible- how silly of me.

Staceyjw

they need to teach children about ID so that they will "approach the subject with an open mind"

Cue for a Dawkins quote methinks :)

I believe Dr. Fuller made this argument as part of his testimony.

Any thoughts on this?