<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The Case for a Creator: Pursuing All Possibilities</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html</link>
	<description>NIGHTTIME IS FOR DREAMING. DAYLIGHT IS FOR ACTION.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed,  8 Sep 2010 13:57:07 -0700</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Blue Nine</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html#comment-47286</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Nine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1028#comment-47286</guid>
		<description>On May 16, 2009, 6:12 pm, Ebonmuse posted: 
&lt;i&gt;Of course, it&#039;s his book; he can limit his &quot;investigation&quot; to whatever ideas he wants. But if that&#039;s what he&#039;s going to do, he ought to stop being dishonest by pretending he&#039;s giving an open-minded survey of all the options, when in fact he&#039;s chosen his interviewees carefully to advance one specific and widely scientifically rejected hypothesis.&lt;/i&gt;

Doesn&#039;t Strobel do this in every one of his &quot;Case For X&quot; books?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On May 16, 2009, 6:12 pm, Ebonmuse posted:<br />
<i>Of course, it's his book; he can limit his "investigation" to whatever ideas he wants. But if that's what he's going to do, he ought to stop being dishonest by pretending he's giving an open-minded survey of all the options, when in fact he's chosen his interviewees carefully to advance one specific and widely scientifically rejected hypothesis.</i></p>
<p>Doesn't Strobel do this in every one of his "Case For X" books?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: velkyn</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html#comment-47264</link>
		<dc:creator>velkyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 13:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1028#comment-47264</guid>
		<description>&quot;In selecting these experts, I sought doctorate-level professors who have unquestioned expertise, are able to communicate in accessible language, and refuse to limit themselves only to the politically correct world of naturalism or materialism. After all, it wouldn&#039;t make sense to rule out any hypothesis at the outset. I wanted the freedom to pursue all possibilities&quot;

Ah, the claims of how reality isn&#039;t somehow &quot;really&quot; what is out there.  I do wish that those who claim this would be required to pick up a white-piece of metal with their bare hands. So much for their solipcism then.  

If science is oh-so bad, why won&#039;t these people refuse to use the other benefits of science like medicine, computers, forensics, etc?  Why, they&#039;re hypocrites! Lazy and evidently so ignorant that they think no one notices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"In selecting these experts, I sought doctorate-level professors who have unquestioned expertise, are able to communicate in accessible language, and refuse to limit themselves only to the politically correct world of naturalism or materialism. After all, it wouldn't make sense to rule out any hypothesis at the outset. I wanted the freedom to pursue all possibilities"</p>
<p>Ah, the claims of how reality isn't somehow "really" what is out there.  I do wish that those who claim this would be required to pick up a white-piece of metal with their bare hands. So much for their solipcism then.  </p>
<p>If science is oh-so bad, why won't these people refuse to use the other benefits of science like medicine, computers, forensics, etc?  Why, they're hypocrites! Lazy and evidently so ignorant that they think no one notices.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Leum</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html#comment-47198</link>
		<dc:creator>Leum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 22:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1028#comment-47198</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;who have a pathological fear of buttons, yes BUTTONS, and need to use pins on their clothing&lt;/i&gt;

Hey, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HD5yh8ar2I&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=5997B46ABB4D7FA9&amp;index=12&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;buttons can be scary.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>who have a pathological fear of buttons, yes BUTTONS, and need to use pins on their clothing</i></p>
<p>Hey, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HD5yh8ar2I&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=5997B46ABB4D7FA9&amp;index=12" title="" rel="nofollow">buttons can be scary.</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html#comment-47197</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 22:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1028#comment-47197</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
He is, in fact, ruling out a hypothesis at the outset. He is ruling out the hypothesis that the natural/ material world is all there is. By seeking out consultants who don&#039;t limit themselves to the natural/ material world, he is essentially refusing to talk to anyone who doesn&#039;t already agree that the supernatural world exists.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Greta Christina wins the thread for that comment. If Strobel claims to be pursuing &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; possibilities, then he should be speaking to at least one person who &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; believe that natural laws are sufficient. He doesn&#039;t do this, instead interviewing only people who believe in an active supernatural component to the evolution of life. 

Of course, it&#039;s his book; he can limit his &quot;investigation&quot; to whatever ideas he wants. But if that&#039;s what he&#039;s going to do, he ought to stop being dishonest by pretending he&#039;s giving an open-minded survey of all the options, when in fact he&#039;s chosen his interviewees carefully to advance one specific and widely scientifically rejected hypothesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
He is, in fact, ruling out a hypothesis at the outset. He is ruling out the hypothesis that the natural/ material world is all there is. By seeking out consultants who don't limit themselves to the natural/ material world, he is essentially refusing to talk to anyone who doesn't already agree that the supernatural world exists.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Greta Christina wins the thread for that comment. If Strobel claims to be pursuing <i>all</i> possibilities, then he should be speaking to at least one person who <i>does</i> believe that natural laws are sufficient. He doesn't do this, instead interviewing only people who believe in an active supernatural component to the evolution of life. </p>
<p>Of course, it's his book; he can limit his "investigation" to whatever ideas he wants. But if that's what he's going to do, he ought to stop being dishonest by pretending he's giving an open-minded survey of all the options, when in fact he's chosen his interviewees carefully to advance one specific and widely scientifically rejected hypothesis.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John Nernoff</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html#comment-47196</link>
		<dc:creator>John Nernoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1028#comment-47196</guid>
		<description>Writer &quot;e&#039; says in comment #7: So what is proof - who decides something is proven? &quot;Yes it is!&quot; &quot;No it isn&#039;t!&quot; doesn&#039;t get us very far, does it?

Creationists, among others religious, conveniently accept scientific proofs all the time when trying to explicate various religious claims. Holy texts are authenticated by comparing ancient manuscripts; authorship is established by historical analysis; appeal is made to the reliability of Isaiah, for example, by scientific studies of textual consistency; miracles are confirmed by meticulous assembly of reports; modern medicine is brought into service by the Vatican to verify Lourdes&#039; miracles; the world&#039;s ancient literature has been combed through time and again and subject to literary analysis for the least mention of anything in the Jesus story; studies of roman crucifixion habits and tomb burials are accepted if they support anything in the New Testament.

Creationists I am sure run to doctors&#039; offices and hospitals whenever prayer fails. Modern antibiotic treatments are probably never refused when trying to treat bacteria which have evolved antibiotic resistance;  radiometric dating as a basis for many lab studies are eagerly accepted; or are they refused because of the unreliability of elements&#039; half-lives? 

I wonder if they use energy derived from coal and oil? Millions of year old fossil materials? Oh no, I&#039;d rather freeze to death. Hmm, modern automobile technology or horse and buggy like the Amish (who have a pathological fear of buttons, yes BUTTONS, and need to use pins on their clothing). Modern book publishing, new papers and inks, the internet, space satellites? Or are they shunned in favor of papyrus and smoke signals?

How much longer can we go on with this hypocrisy and stupidity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writer "e' says in comment #7: So what is proof - who decides something is proven? "Yes it is!" "No it isn't!" doesn't get us very far, does it?</p>
<p>Creationists, among others religious, conveniently accept scientific proofs all the time when trying to explicate various religious claims. Holy texts are authenticated by comparing ancient manuscripts; authorship is established by historical analysis; appeal is made to the reliability of Isaiah, for example, by scientific studies of textual consistency; miracles are confirmed by meticulous assembly of reports; modern medicine is brought into service by the Vatican to verify Lourdes' miracles; the world's ancient literature has been combed through time and again and subject to literary analysis for the least mention of anything in the Jesus story; studies of roman crucifixion habits and tomb burials are accepted if they support anything in the New Testament.</p>
<p>Creationists I am sure run to doctors' offices and hospitals whenever prayer fails. Modern antibiotic treatments are probably never refused when trying to treat bacteria which have evolved antibiotic resistance;  radiometric dating as a basis for many lab studies are eagerly accepted; or are they refused because of the unreliability of elements' half-lives? </p>
<p>I wonder if they use energy derived from coal and oil? Millions of year old fossil materials? Oh no, I'd rather freeze to death. Hmm, modern automobile technology or horse and buggy like the Amish (who have a pathological fear of buttons, yes BUTTONS, and need to use pins on their clothing). Modern book publishing, new papers and inks, the internet, space satellites? Or are they shunned in favor of papyrus and smoke signals?</p>
<p>How much longer can we go on with this hypocrisy and stupidity?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: exrelayman</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html#comment-47191</link>
		<dc:creator>exrelayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1028#comment-47191</guid>
		<description>OMFG,

If &#039;Yes it is! No it isn&#039;t!&#039; was in Monty Python, then my use of same was an instance of synchronicity. Never heard of it that way. I think Ben Franklin said something pretty similar regarding the nature of a quarrel between 2 &#039;devines&#039;, which I saw in the quotes section of Positive Atheism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMFG,</p>
<p>If 'Yes it is! No it isn't!' was in Monty Python, then my use of same was an instance of synchronicity. Never heard of it that way. I think Ben Franklin said something pretty similar regarding the nature of a quarrel between 2 'devines', which I saw in the quotes section of Positive Atheism.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: bbk</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html#comment-47190</link>
		<dc:creator>bbk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 13:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1028#comment-47190</guid>
		<description>I&#039;ve been trying to find a way to relate this to my theist friends without having to utterly destroy their basis for belief just to get the point across.  How can you say that you are open minded and at the same time say that their belief system is not an option for you without implying that their belief system is easily dismissed as rubbish?  If I can figure out a way to do that, I will be set for life to live amongst these people in relative harmony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've been trying to find a way to relate this to my theist friends without having to utterly destroy their basis for belief just to get the point across.  How can you say that you are open minded and at the same time say that their belief system is not an option for you without implying that their belief system is easily dismissed as rubbish?  If I can figure out a way to do that, I will be set for life to live amongst these people in relative harmony.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html#comment-47182</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 05:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1028#comment-47182</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Such as?&lt;/b&gt;

How about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/ghost.html#callosaldisconnection&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Callosal Disconnection&lt;/a&gt;? 

This is something we observe. Perhaps it can be reconciled with the claim &quot;humans have souls&quot;, but to do so would be completely ad hoc. If the religionist is honest, he has no choice but to admit that there are reasons to believe his theory is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Such as?</b></p>
<p>How about <a href="http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/ghost.html#callosaldisconnection" rel="nofollow">Callosal Disconnection</a>? </p>
<p>This is something we observe. Perhaps it can be reconciled with the claim "humans have souls", but to do so would be completely ad hoc. If the religionist is honest, he has no choice but to admit that there are reasons to believe his theory is wrong.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: nfpendleton</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html#comment-47179</link>
		<dc:creator>nfpendleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 21:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1028#comment-47179</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;(Readers will note that this is also a good description of the situation that does in fact exist among the world&#039;s religions.)&lt;/i&gt;

Bravo.  This is win in a bottle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>(Readers will note that this is also a good description of the situation that does in fact exist among the world's religions.)</i></p>
<p>Bravo.  This is win in a bottle.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html#comment-47178</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1028#comment-47178</guid>
		<description>The key to science is testability, or alternatively, falsifiability. We need to formulate our hypotheses so that they can be definitively put to the test.

Theory, the development of any human race is a predictable process, similar to watching a child develop in the womb. In our humanities case we entered that final and predictable phase of OMY GOHA FOMA - (Oh my God , the kids have found the matches) in 1945 with the explosion of the first nuclear weapon at Hiroshima. From that point forwards our humanity entered a predictable potentially self-destructive phase in i&#039;ts development. This is a testable theory, we are the test! and their is a prediction. If you think this is science-fiction, then within the context of this theory, so are the dangers of nuclear war ,and over-population.
There is an interesting quote &#039; the more primitive a race, the more deistic it is. If you had the technology to go to the stars, you would do exactly the same thing, and it does no harm to be pleasantly received and respected as Gods. In fact it is quite amusing and it is in fact the only way an advanced humanity can approach a lesser advanced  society&#039;. Clearly today we are much more advanced so this approach is hardly appropriate any more, given that our scientists are now approach the very early stages of artificially creating life.It does not need much imagination to see where these experiments by our scientists will lead, through progression of design, as evidenced by the wonderful theory of Evolution, except that the speed of progression  would be so much quicker. When our scientists create life, they will become Creators, like those whom our ancestors mistook for God or Gods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to science is testability, or alternatively, falsifiability. We need to formulate our hypotheses so that they can be definitively put to the test.</p>
<p>Theory, the development of any human race is a predictable process, similar to watching a child develop in the womb. In our humanities case we entered that final and predictable phase of OMY GOHA FOMA - (Oh my God , the kids have found the matches) in 1945 with the explosion of the first nuclear weapon at Hiroshima. From that point forwards our humanity entered a predictable potentially self-destructive phase in i'ts development. This is a testable theory, we are the test! and their is a prediction. If you think this is science-fiction, then within the context of this theory, so are the dangers of nuclear war ,and over-population.<br />
There is an interesting quote ' the more primitive a race, the more deistic it is. If you had the technology to go to the stars, you would do exactly the same thing, and it does no harm to be pleasantly received and respected as Gods. In fact it is quite amusing and it is in fact the only way an advanced humanity can approach a lesser advanced  society'. Clearly today we are much more advanced so this approach is hardly appropriate any more, given that our scientists are now approach the very early stages of artificially creating life.It does not need much imagination to see where these experiments by our scientists will lead, through progression of design, as evidenced by the wonderful theory of Evolution, except that the speed of progression  would be so much quicker. When our scientists create life, they will become Creators, like those whom our ancestors mistook for God or Gods.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: prase</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html#comment-47176</link>
		<dc:creator>prase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1028#comment-47176</guid>
		<description>re Tom, #10: Unfortunately, I haven&#039;t. Based on your quotation, probably I should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re Tom, #10: Unfortunately, I haven't. Based on your quotation, probably I should.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David Ellis</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2009/05/cfa-pursuing-all-possibilities.html#comment-47175</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.daylightatheism.org/?p=1028#comment-47175</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;
Surely the idea, humans have souls, makes some predictions.
&lt;/b&gt;

Such as?

If we could confirm out of body experiences that would go a long way to verifying souls.  But most religions don&#039;t claim this necessarily occurs.  And it hasn&#039;t been convincingly shown to occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><br />
Surely the idea, humans have souls, makes some predictions.<br />
</b></p>
<p>Such as?</p>
<p>If we could confirm out of body experiences that would go a long way to verifying souls.  But most religions don't claim this necessarily occurs.  And it hasn't been convincingly shown to occur.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
